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Old May 30th, 2009 (4:49 PM).
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I don't see a reason for it not to be in the game? xD;;;


Besides, wasn't a red Gyrados mentioned in DPPt near the beginning? If they were to take it out/change the color, it could mess with the continuity or connection of the regions.
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The Shiny Gyarados was an important part of the manga and games.

I also think that they will keep it the same level, 30.

And keep the moves similar [at least keep thrash and (dragon) rage].
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The Shiny Gyarados was an important part of the manga and games.

I also think that they will keep it the same level, 30.

And keep the moves similar [at least keep thrash and (dragon) rage].
your all right on that but the moves they got to change to newers dont you think
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your all right on that but the moves they got to change to newers dont you think
I wouldn't say it'll have to be changed, but I can see it being up to more DPPt standards. I doubt any exclusive moves will be given to it, as it isn't needed. Having it as a shiny is good enough, and DPPt gave it a pretty decent moveset as it levels up, not to mention the different kind of TMs Gyarados can learn now.
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you know what woould be funny? if they kept the red gyrados situation but made it a regular gyrados instead of red.
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you know what woould be funny? if they kept the red gyrados situation but made it a regular gyrados instead of red.
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Of course it'll be there remember the intro to d/p. But I hope it gets replaced with shiny pichu instead
NEWS FLASH!! Shiny Pichu spotted rampaging in a lake!

Nah. Shiny Pichu can stay inside the Odd Egg. ;)

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I highly doubt Red Gyrados will be reintroduced to the game. This would make all the shiny Gyradoses out there useless.
Your point? The Red Gyarados is integral to the plot. And it was THE original primer to shiny Pokémon. Who cares if a bunch of whiney bratty children are going to gripe that their self-caught shiny Gyarados are less special?

The Pokéradar tore the whole "rarity" thing to shreds, anyway.

As a rule of consistency, the Red Gyarados WILL be there. End of discussion.

I think it would be cool if it was actually strong. I always thought of it as a sort of a boss. Level 45 would be good, presuming your team is around Lv36-40 or so. (Remember: The Trio Legendary Pokémon were made available in the first two generations before your party reached their levels. If you can manage to catch, let alone defeat, these powerful Pokémon, you've earned it. (Well, unless you just turf the Master Ball... =/))
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I'm looking forward to the red gyrados. I'm guessing it will be level 30-40.
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Definately will be in it. Looking forward to catching it, because the DPPt Gyarados/Shiny Gyarados sprites were awesome, and i'll finally be able to get one. I wont use it on my team though- as soon as competitive battling begins on HGSS, Red Gyarados'll be swarming around the place..
I dont know if somebody's already said, but i believe the lake referred to in the beginning of DP (where the rumoured red Gyarados was spotted) is actually directly foreshadowing HGSS.
No, wait. That's actually the most obvious thing in the world. Well, yeah, the Gyarados'll definately be there. I doubt it'll be level 40 or above. Maybe level 35/7, 30 is just that little bit low.
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Definately will be in it. Looking forward to catching it, because the DPPt Gyarados/Shiny Gyarados sprites were awesome, and i'll finally be able to get one. I wont use it on my team though- as soon as competitive battling begins on HGSS, Red Gyarados'll be swarming around the place..
I dont know if somebody's already said, but i believe the lake referred to in the beginning of DP (where the rumoured red Gyarados was spotted) is actually directly foreshadowing HGSS.
No, wait. That's actually the most obvious thing in the world. Well, yeah, the Gyarados'll definately be there. I doubt it'll be level 40 or above. Maybe level 35/7, 30 is just that little bit low.
Having it as a level 30 wouldn't be much of a big deal. It was level 30 in the originals and might continue to be level 30 in the remakes. I don't think the level of a Pokémon would really matter much to the game makers, because no less you'll probably still be able to catch it and train it.

Having Red Gyarados in the game will basically keep the storyline in place and not put anything out of order from what Gold and Silver introduced for the Johto. Not to mention without the Gyarados Team Rocket loses out on one of their biggest plot schemes yet.

Also, the reference to it in DPPt was one of the biggest mentions to this remake. So, it means they haven't forgotten it, and will be shown more than likely.
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I'm sure it'll be there, but what if they made it uncatchable? Like that one Marowak in the Pokemon Tower in RBYFrLg. It's certainly possible if they didn't want to make the red Gyarados the most common thing ever. I don't know if they'd do this, but I can't really imagine that they'd just let it be a free shiny without some kind of drawbacks. Maybe give it a set nature and IV's and make them really bad?
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I'm sure it'll be there, but what if they made it uncatchable? Like that one Marowak in the Pokemon Tower in RBYFrLg. It's certainly possible if they didn't want to make the red Gyarados the most common thing ever. I don't know if they'd do this, but I can't really imagine that they'd just let it be a free shiny without some kind of drawbacks. Maybe give it a set nature and IV's and make them really bad?
The only real reason why the Marowak in FRLG was uncatchable was because it was a ghost, and it doesn't make sense catching a ghost. Plus, Gyarados is actually there, and of course, like they always do for us to calm it is in a battle. With this battle, I'm sure they'll give us the option of catching it. As much as I would hate the idea of giving it low IVs like how they did with the three roaming Legendary Beasts, I don't see it impossible. The nature will probably always vary as it just something that's not set in a game, unless it involves hatching a Pokémon. Having the Red Gyarados shouldn't be a problem having it overly common. With the introduction of the PokéRadar, like I've stated before, they've already made it easier for catching Shinies in a new way involving chaining.
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That may be true, but chained shinies are still "worth" something, since not everyone can chain well and not even everyone knows about it (little kids who don't use the internet probably wouldn't). But if the Red Gyarados is available in the storyline, everyone who completes the story will get one (and it wasn't even particularly difficult to catch, so it's unlikely that someone would accidentally kill it), making it even more common than chained shinies. There can be set natures and IV's (think ingame trades) for Pokemon that you can receive, so it's a possibility that that would happen.
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It has to be there. I remember catching it in Silver. I wouldn't care if it was lvl 30. I have had a nightmare training to beat Fantina on Pt, so I would be used to it. It was an important part of the story line so, why would they get rid of it?
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That may be true, but chained shinies are still "worth" something, since not everyone can chain well and not even everyone knows about it (little kids who don't use the internet probably wouldn't). But if the Red Gyarados is available in the storyline, everyone who completes the story will get one (and it wasn't even particularly difficult to catch, so it's unlikely that someone would accidentally kill it), making it even more common than chained shinies. There can be set natures and IV's (think ingame trades) for Pokemon that you can receive, so it's a possibility that that would happen.
You have a point there, though the catch rate for it can definitely go up. That is something not hard to change in the game. If I remember correctly even the Lv. 1 Regigigas in Platinum isn't an easy catch, so they can raise the chances of it in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Mostly everyone will get the Red Gyarados when competeting against it, as not everyone is so into Gyarados, and some don't worry about shinies too much either. There is a chance for set natures and IVs, but the only thing they might set is IVs if any, because a lot of gamers would be highly disappointed in receiving the same natures Gyarados, and it'll definitely not be as valuable as it would be if they set everything like that. Though, we'll see what happens, I do expect it to be there though, as it's a major part of the storyline and continuation fo the game as well.

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It has to be there. I remember catching it in Silver. I wouldn't care if it was lvl 30. I have had a nightmare training to beat Fantina on Pt, so I would be used to it. It was an important part of the story line so, why would they get rid of it?
Exactly, why would they get rid of it? It's part of the originals, casted on DPPt, and now it needs to make a comeback. Though, I'd doubt it'll be removed, and most people might not even have to worry about that. Just the main statistics of the Pokémon will change. What I mean by this is, natures, moves, ability, and stat wise as well. All this has increasingly developed throughout the past ten years, and Gyarados couldn't avoid that I would think.
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Meh, I don't see them taking out Gyrados just because it's a shiny. It was, if my memory serves correctly, the first shiny in Pokemon; and therefore a doorway to the future games. It introduced something new.

Besides, it's just one shiny. Out of the .... at least four hundred possible shinies in the game, I don't really see it making a difference.

I just see it as becoming a common shiny, personally. Shinies are kind of like bragging rights, so if you can't really brag about having a shiny Gyrados since mostly everyone will have one. =/
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Catch rate is the same for each species though. All Regigigas have a catch rate of 3 (which is very small, most hard-to-catch legendaries have a catch rate of 3 or slightly higher), so no matter what the level is, it will be hard to catch. All Gyarados have a catch rate of 45, which is not exactly easy, but it's definitely not hard once you factor in low HP, using the right kind of balls, etc. I don't even know if it'd be possible to change the catch rate for it, and even if it was, I don't think they'd bother. And I think making the Gyarados less valuable would be the point of any changes made =P
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Catch rate is the same for each species though. All Regigigas have a catch rate of 3 (which is very small, most hard-to-catch legendaries have a catch rate of 3 or slightly higher), so no matter what the level is, it will be hard to catch. All Gyarados have a catch rate of 45, which is not exactly easy, but it's definitely not hard once you factor in low HP, using the right kind of balls, etc. I don't even know if it'd be possible to change the catch rate for it, and even if it was, I don't think they'd bother. And I think making the Gyarados less valuable would be the point of any changes made =P
No matter the catch rate of Gyarados, I doubt they'd rebound the catcing ability of it. If so, then compaints would arise, and it would stant away from the original counterpart. Nothing much might change in the remake, except a few twists and new features. Red Gyarados, I don't see the reason for not allowing us to catch it, and valuablity of it I don't think bothers the game makers much anyway. It is just like any other Gyarados, same stats everything, except for being a different color. So, I don't think they should put that into account as a factor for us, because it makes the game stand out as having one of the most varied plots and giving those a chance at gaining their very own Shiny.

No less, this doesn't change the fact that removing Gyarados can also lead to a different plot of the game, which would steer away from the point of it being a remake anyway.

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That is very unlikely, as the Pikachu-Colored Event with the Notch Eared Pichu is only activated after the Shiny Pichu is traded over from DPPt to HGSS. So I don't they'd replace it with that. With that being said the only way it can involve Team Rocket is by being a side quest and not a major plot of the game.
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The Red Gyrados was a big part of the plot in/near Mahogany Town. Its basically what gave the Lake of Rage life and Team Rocket's operations in the amine and game was to try to capture it then you get to go battle underneath the market basement. This is something to big, drastic to change and a lot of people use the Red Gyrados after capturing it. In my opinion this is something that doens't need to be change or removed.
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they arent going to get rid of red gyrados seeing as its a main part of the story. itd be stupid if they did.
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Ah, the Red Gyarados near Mahogany Town. I hope you can still catch it, mainly because it was a big part of the Team Rocket plot. Plus, it was pretty fun.
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they obviously are going to keep it but they might now make it shiny anymore. the might make it regular gyrados instead of a red one.
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they obviously are going to keep it but they might now make it shiny anymore. the might make it regular gyrados instead of a red one.
I honestly don't see the cause for changing it back to a regular Gyarados than having it as a shiny. Even though it might appear to be more common, it still doesn't change the point that they wouldn't need to revert it back to its regular form. Back in GSC, it was a shiny and I don't think they thought much of it being too common at that time, and neither do I think that'll be the cause now.

It is an original of the older games, and really isn't something that needs to be touched besides what the new generation introduced for it. It doesn't cause any problems for it being a shiny and neither did it create any disturbances in the game. Seeing as how it was still referred to as a Red Gyarados back in DP, I think it'll stay the same. It's important and doesn't really need any change to it. It is something that made Gold and Silver what is it known for, and definitely something that made people remember it for.
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