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I'd feel sad about Cinderella's VA but I... don't even remember what she sounds like. u_u;;; I wonder if she did the voice work for BBS already or if they just went with a replacement regardless?
Anyway, I know this is kinda out of place and the argument might already be over, but about the English BBS secret boss...

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Could it be Master Xehanort's Nobody? He lost his heart in a manner similar to Sora, by releasing the heart through the process of the Keyblade of People's Hearts. Couldn't that mean that the Xemnas-like boss could be his Nobody? But if so, wouldn't that mean he also has a heartless? Just my input...


Sorry if this has already been said and I've missed it. I've been gone a little while...
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I think Xemnas is just Master Xehanort's Nobody (but made using Terra's body, obviously). :/ Think about it this way: MX is kind of using Terra's body as a vessel. His heart may be the dominant one but technically it's only there for the ride, much like Kairi's heart with Sora. And Naminé wasn't created the moment Kairi's body lost her heart. Likewise, Ven's heart is hiding away in Sora and he never got a Nobody (and if you wanna argue that Roxas is as much his Nobody as Sora's, then he still didn't get a Nobody until Sora evicted everyone release his heart to release Kairi's).

But even if the mysterious new person is MX's Nobody, why use the aerial blades instead of the keyblade? :/ It's not like the amnesia issue (if that's really true) where Terra!Xehanort didn't even remember wielding a keyblade and thus his Nobody may not have the ability... MX definitely wielded a keyblade and like Sora→Roxas, I'd expect his Nobody to as well.

Finally, the timeline doesn't match up anyway. :< By the time MX released his heart to take over Terra's body, the Land of Departure had already been destroyed. Since the battle seemingly takes place in the world when it's in perfect condition, that probably means it's an extra flashback sort of fight that's non-canon or... idk. Something along those lines. u_u


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I'd feel sad about Cinderella's VA but I... don't even remember what she sounds like. u_u;;; I wonder if she did the voice work for BBS already or if they just went with a replacement regardless?

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I think Xemnas is just Master Xehanort's Nobody (but made using Terra's body, obviously). :/ Think about it this way: MX is kind of using Terra's body as a vessel. His heart may be the dominant one but technically it's only there for the ride, much like Kairi's heart with Sora. And Naminé wasn't created the moment Kairi's body lost her heart. Likewise, Ven's heart is hiding away in Sora and he never got a Nobody (and if you wanna argue that Roxas is as much his Nobody as Sora's, then he still didn't get a Nobody until Sora evicted everyone release his heart to release Kairi's).

But even if the mysterious new person is MX's Nobody, why use the aerial blades instead of the keyblade? :/ It's not like the amnesia issue (if that's really true) where Terra!Xehanort didn't even remember wielding a keyblade and thus his Nobody may not have the ability... MX definitely wielded a keyblade and like Sora→Roxas, I'd expect his Nobody to as well.

Finally, the timeline doesn't match up anyway. :< By the time MX released his heart to take over Terra's body, the Land of Departure had already been destroyed. Since the battle seemingly takes place in the world when it's in perfect condition, that probably means it's an extra flashback sort of fight that's non-canon or... idk. Something along those lines. u_u
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This is a really good point that I didn't think of, but didn't Roxas technically have a heart? I remember something about this a while back. Roxas had a heart because he had Ven's heart (the wonderful third heart in Sora) which gave him the ability to wield a keyblade. Xion was a copy, so that's how she has hers (along with the fact that she wasn't really a Nobody either) suggesting that without a heart, the Nobody couldn't wield a keyblade. I mean, this kinda makes sense in that a Keyblade is chooses its wielder on the strength of their heart (if I remember KH1 correctly) and so a Nobody technically shouldn't be able to wield one. This would explain why he uses that weapon instead. This might work like this: MX's power is the Aerial Blades, allowing his Nobody to have it. His heart, which was in Terranort, gave way to Xemnas's ability to wield them later on. This is how they both have the ability to use them.


You know? We really should try to make some sense of Kingdom Hearts some time...


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I don't think Xion had a heart... I think Vexen just programmed her so that she felt like she did (much like Riku Replica thought he had one and definitely had believable feelings). Or that's what I've always believed. D: But the keyblade thing makes sense, hmm. It would definitely explain why they were so surprised when Roxas appeared and could use the keyblade. I mean, if the Organization had ANY idea that Sora would only have to be turned into a Nobody in order to use him as the keyblade wielder, they probably would have done that from Day 1.

'Cause let's face it, Roxas was even more malleable and gullible than Xion. XD; And even if he hadn't been and had all of Sora's memories, it'd be a lot easier to convince someone with no heart and no morals to complete Kingdom Hearts for them than Sora. Especially with an entire Organization to accompany him and ensure he was never overwhelmed. (This would make an interesting AU fanfic. Hmm.)

But I'm fairly certain that Roxas does have a heart and that the heart is Ven's. Remember in Days when he enters C.O. with Axel to look for Xion after she flees and they take maybe 5 steps in and Roxas outright collapses? I bet that was his heart recognizing Ven and trying to go back/merge back with Ven (much like he merges back with Sora at the beginning of KH2... he had a headache like that in DiZ's computer room briefly, didn't he?) since Ven is somewhere in C.O. :o

One thing that doesn't explain, though, is how Xion & Roxas's powers were balanced. :s I always figured it was because they were both "using" Sora's heart but--oh wait. Oh. It still makes sense. Ven's heart was split in two and the light part of it (Ven) merged with Sora. If Roxas has Ven's heart, he still needs Sora's heart for it to be "complete" and stable. But if Xion is using/borrowing/whatevering Sora's heart, they would be subconsiously fighting over it, wouldn't they? @[email protected]

But now I'm confused. :( How come Roxas fell unconscious when Sora was having his memories rearranged in Castle Oblivion then? He was fine before then when Sora's heart was (arguably) inaccessible (since iirc Xion can't use the keyblade until after Sora is sleeping?). So then why does he pretty much slip into a coma during the events of COM?

Is that even right? When did Xion first use the keyblade? I know Xemnas introduces her to the Org as another keyblade wielder but does she use the keyblade? You start going on missions with her the day Axel leaves for C.O., iirc, but doesn't she just follow you and spam magic spells instead of fight properly? :s It's been too long since I've played.

omg this was so long and I didn't even mention aerial blades. but that makes sense and now i've confused myself on the roxas/xion/sora/ven part lmao. ;~;


lmao sorry for spoiler conversations. u_u


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I dunno what the heck you're talking about, but I felt left out. D:
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I like your sig


:( Guys apparently Germany gets a special edition of BBS with an art book and everything. I hope they do something like that for the English releases.


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Well, I can tell you some of the things that we WILL be getting in-game, even though the rest of the world will probably get the same things :P

Spoiler:
Q:The North American version of BBS is to be released soon?
Nomura: Yes, it will be released Sept 7. Even though we've added many things, the story has changed little. Mark Hamill will be voicing Master Eraqus, And the voice of Master Xehanort is Leonard Nimoy. A new mysterious enemy has been added. It's terribly strong, so winning is an achievement. You meet it twice (possibly? I'm guessing that this is what that refers to), and Debacker had to try twenty times before defeating it once.

Q: Is it stronger than the first secret boss?
Nomura: We took a survey, and some people thought it was a little stronger than the first secret boss, but others thought it was far stronger. Like the Lingering Sentiment of KH2FM+, its attacks are hard to predict, unlike the first one, which has movements that are fairly easy to read. The new enemy will use nefarious tricks.

Q: Is the new character also involved with the story?
N: As with the Lingering Sentiment, at the time of KHBBS I can't reveal that.

SECRET BOSS 1 SPOILER ALERT!!
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Q: And the other major changes?
N: Mega Flare proved too strong and violent, so we've weakened that ability. In addition, there were complaints about the reward for defeating the Vanitas Sentiment, so you will now receive his Keyblade as a prize. Such a modifitcation is a fun novelty that fits well in KH tradition.


Q: Is there a new secret movie?
N: No, sadly there is not, because we didn't have additional time. Instead, look to RE:Coded to prepare you for the secret movie. Please look forward to that, as NA gets no mobile content (implied: thus this is new content for NA). We considered many things, including KH:Days in the making of the secret movie.



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;__; MEGA FLAAARE.

And uhh
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:( According to KHInsider, they're saying that Nomura stated that the new secret boss was canon "just like the Lingering Sentiment" in FM+. So it must fit into the plot somehow. *tears hair out trying to figure how this works* 8( I swear he stated in an older interview that Sora vs. Lingering Sentiment/Terra's Armour wasn't canon.


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He said the fight against the Sentiment wasn't canon, but that LS was I thought. Maybe that's how this one plays out? But, if that's the case, then why let you fight him TWICE, if my understanding of that interview is correct? Seems to me to be a very canon fight. IDK.....



Is Mega Flare one of Terra's Styles or Shotlocks?
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I like your sig


:( Guys apparently Germany gets a special edition of BBS with an art book and everything. I hope they do something like that for the English releases.
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Thanks 83


Ooooh... Is that just Germany, or the rest of the PAL region too? o________o; For once it might be a good thing living in England!
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:( No, I swear I remember hearing even before BBS that the LS fight in FM+ wasn't meant to be canon, just for "fun". Maybe I am just thinking of BBS though. @[email protected]


Mega Flare is just a regular command (though it takes up two slots instead of one) and they aren't kidding when they say it's overpowered. I loved it though because when you use it, it would pretty much slaughter everything on the screen. XD It was so useful in the arena when you're being utterly swarmed, or even just for leveling up in the last world. n_n;;;

edit: idk, I think it's just Germany. D:


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Well, still: the character itself turned out to be canon, but the fight wasn't. Tetsuya DID say that that fight wasn't canon. VanSent was the same, I think. Both very real characters, just not canon fights. They were there for fun and for a challenge. I think Xemnas v0.5 is gonna follow the same way and be a canon character, just not necessarily a canon fight.



Meh. I'm just glad to be getting the game with extra stuff in-game. If we were to get something extra like that it'd be cool, yes, but... not necessary for me n_n However, if there were to be MORE extra stuff in-game and us not get it, I'd be a very unhappy Vani/Stand >.>
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Ohhh I guess that's where my mix-up was. xD; I usually consider "canon" to be all-inclusive so I was thinking like how the extra Xemnas fight in KH:FM was canon. Both meeting the character and the fight are implied to have occurred during KH in KH2. But since Sora's fight with Terra's Armour in KH2:FM+ is going to be written off as game mechanic, even if the character is real, I don't consider it canon since it will never be referenced and we're supposed to pretend it didn't actually happen. :/

I dislike those fights because they seem so lame in comparison. D: Oh well.

(That said... Xehanort, stop hogging all the secret boss fights in some way. >:O)


I'm looking forward to all the additions while mourning the loss of overpowered Mega Flare ;~; but Critical is probably gonna be a pain. XD; Oh well. I hear they're also adding more cutscenes to clear up some confusing parts. I'll feel so ace if the parts they clear up are the parts I found really confusing... 'cause I just assumed those parts were due to my fail-translations. XD;


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Well, it could also mean that they are non-canon as of now, seeing as how Xemnas v0.5 is an entirely new enemy it seems who is to have a significant role in the future. No new games have really come out to confirm/deny that fight took place. Same for VanSent. And, also, same for LS. Sure, there was Coded, but... that was a Data Sora. It didn't really have anything to do with the main plot aside from, like Days and BbS, set up for the finale of the Xehanort Saga. So, it could in time become canon. Who knows?



New cutscenes? Where did you hear about that? (I agree from the translation vids I've seen. Some things leave some questions unanswered.)
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...this stuff isn't even spoilery so long as I edit out one name. XD; *does so*

I suppose that's true, but if they re-use the "touch this portal in order to be transported to the fight" sort of thing, it makes it harder to make it seem canon whether it's intended to later on or not. :s In FM, you walk through a hole in the wall at Hollow Bastion and Xemnas appears to test you. It's not out of your way and it makes sense (canonically) that he'd wait for Sora to stray a bit from his main path and fight him out of the way when no one else in HB is around to see.

:( But when you go to fight LS or the secret fight in BBS (the original secret fight, not the new one), you go up and examine a gaping portal sort of thing and get transported to another area to fight it. (Actually, I don't think there's a transportation cutscene for BBS's boss, it just sort of... appears idk. I did that fight twice and gave up. XD) It's not as explained so it's hard to make the situation canon. D:

It's like how I don't consider the Absent Silhouettes in FM+ to be canon since you can't really explain them. (Even if it is hilarious to imagine Marluxia only sticking around to partially-exist next to a flower. /sigh) But the data fights in Radiant Garden at the end could be easily explained, so it's not as hard to see them as canon. u_u If there's even a slightly good way to explain it plot-wise, I'm fine with a fight. Otherwise it feels so cheap and tacked on. D:

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I'm pretty sure it was in an Ultimania interview... or some interview where Nomura mentioned that the English version was getting added features. I swear one of the interviews mentioned that they tweaked cutscenes and added a few in to make the plot less confusing.


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I have no doubts it was mentioned before, I was just too lazy to backread :P

Also, for anyone who has a Hot Topic nearby, apparently they've added more KH stuff to their wares. And, there are some apparently new screenshots from the Enchated Dominion level.
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Oh? And when is that, Roku-chan? *goes to Googling random Roxas pics*


Also, still no word on Terra's VA. I'm beginning to get the feeling we won't know until the game come out >.>
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Argh, why can't we have Hot Topic over here? -moar complaints about England-

I'm getting a Roxas plushie for my birthday though. 8K
I have myself a Roxas plushie but... but... D:

His hair fell off! Dx

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Oh? And when is that, Roku-chan? *goes to Googling random Roxas pics*


Also, still no word on Terra's VA. I'm beginning to get the feeling we won't know until the game come out >.>
End of this month. Literally. c:

Maybe they haven't released it for a reason? Because it's the same VA as another character from previous games?

I have myself a Roxas plushie but... but... D:

His hair fell off! Dx
What?! Bald Roxas?! Dx
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Wait a second...they said that the item recieved from the Vanitas Sentiment was overpowered or something like that? Does that mean we get to fight him too?! If so, that'll be awesome and probably like Seph in the two original KH1s. We get a boss they don't and in exchange they get Final Mix...


Yes, I do know that all I'm good for is irritating the crap out of you all with my pointless banter though I do agree that the Mega Flare thing is unforgivable.


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Can i join this club please ! And i do want to know what is the difference between Ventus and Roxas ?!
Sure thing, you're added. The difference between Ven and Roxas is a little bit of personality and that Ven was already 14-15 ten years before Kingdom Hearts started. Birth by Sleep fully explains why Roxas looks like Ventus though.

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