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Cherrim

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The only problem I have with the whole Terra = Xehanort theory is... Terra can use a keyblade. Xehanort (and by extension, KH1!Ansem and Xemnas) cannot. :( As far as I know, you don't just lose the ability to use a keyblade. The whole point of the Organization was because Xemnas wanted to complete Kingdom Hearts and had no keyblade of his own to collect hearts for it.

It just doesn't match up, imo.


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The keyblade though is for those who it chooses. The keyblade could have left Terra as while he did sacrifice himself for his friends the evil within Xenahort(come on you can't tell me the old coot won't be evil!)corrupts him and thus his keyblade leaves him.

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My god. I'm probably going to get the hell confused out of me but I suspect it to hopefully be something simple. Like:
Terras in the end becomes the Xenahort we know from KH. He just looks so similar. Yes I know all 3 could be Riku Kairi and Sora but its just too simple to be that. Riku would likely be an outcast from Sora and Kairi after this game in which I mean Sora and Kairi have bonds as being Aqua and Venitas in spirit but Riku an entirely seprate entity. Also while this takes place 10 years before meaning Kairi Riku and Sora would still be children something must have happened to have Kairi wash up there and then Sora would be all different. Terras becoming Xenahort would be an act of bravery to save his two friends. Mickey would know about this and all but not stop the Xenahort known from KH.
Okay so even that is not simple but you get me?
if it had Hollow Bastion, than Kairi's mystery would tell the story. as for Sora and Riku, we kinda know, But we might find out more than we already do.

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Riku gave into the darkness and while the keyblade ultimately chose Sora as the hero, he can still use a keyblade. :/ I'm just not sold on the theory. If Xehanort had been able to use the power of the keyblade once before, I can only assume that Ansem/Xemnas would have been searching for a way to regain that power instead of idling about and making plans to use Sora during all that downtime.

Yes, he did lose his memory so it's possible that he didn't remember having the ability to use the keyblade as Terra but... idk, he must have put a LOT of research into the keyblades, hearts, etc. Factor in that clearly some of Ansem's other apprentices knew Ven, then it's not a stretch to say they knew Terra and I'm sure Xehanort would have been able to get information out of them. So I dunno. :( Just doesn't match up.


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Sora and Riku might have been on the island but still something ticks me off that Venitas will ultimately be Sora just from how he looks like Sora's heartless. The heartless is kinda like another self. I believe Sora's other self is Venitas but locked away which is also why Roxas might have had some moments with feelings. Also why if Kairi ever got a heartless Aqua would surely appear. Riku though I just cannot see him being the embodiment of Terras unless of course Terras did something and became both Xenahort and Riku. All open possibilities if I must say. I see now. So lets say they know of Terra and his keyblade powers. Now lets say he does split up into Riku and Xenahort. He would possibly do so to prevent evil from gaining the power of the keyblade and to keep it on the good side. This is how Sora and Riku can wield by having previous Keyblade Wielder spirits inside of them. And while yes the keyblades would be what they were before the keyblades they wield are more fitting for their spirits and not the other ones residing inside.
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Mitchman, you're mixing up Ven & Vanitas..Vanitas is the apprentice to Master Xehanort. Ventus is the name you looking for, since thats Ven's full name.

Its entirely possible that Terra becomes Xehanort, but I'm not sold on it either. I'm sure Ansem/Xehanort wouldn't remember being Terra and wielding a Keyblade, but Xemnas would, as shown in KHIIFM when he refers to Aqua's Armor & Keyblade as an "old friend", showing that if he was Terra, he obviously knew her and that he was in fact a Keyblade wielder at one time.

However, M. Xehanort did say that they who give themselves to the darkness no longer qualify to wield a Keyblade. However, he and his apprentice are still able to, which confuses me. My personal theory is that Ansem-Xehanort is actually Venitas, since his costume resembles the costume worn by Dark Riku, which I believe he may have gained from Xehanort's Heartless, as well as the similar fighting stance.

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I kinda need help. I want to play as Dual Wield Roxas in Mission mode. but I only got 2 Abilities Unit. I need 3. how do I get one. and the Moogle shop said its sold out Dx.

EDIT: I got it. From a Mission to complete it 100%

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I've got a question. In Chain of Memories Namine explains how memories work and how memories are kept in the heart, and then in Days and KHII the Organization members talk about their memories. How can they even have memories if they don't have hearts?

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I've got a question. In Chain of Memories Namine explains how memories work and how memories are kept in the heart, and then in Days and KHII the Organization members talk about their memories. How can they even have memories if they don't have hearts?
Probably the part where they said the remember what it feels like to have a heart.

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Even so, it's still fairly vague...
Oh, I think I've got it. Nobodies are suppose to be the empty shell left behind when someone becomes a heartless. Maybe memories are a part of the empty shell? But the the Heartless Ansem aka Xehanort's Heartless has memories as well. This has just been bothering me for the longest time. -_-

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Where can I get High Jump or Dodge Roll in KH2? :O I just fought Roxas in FM+ and I realized I should have this by ow... unless I'm just not seeing it on the ability list.
Level up Valor and Limit form. Valor is leveled up by how many hits you do in that form, and Limit is leveled up by how many times you use a special attack (like Strike Raid or Sonic). You can check how many more you have to go til level up in the status screen. And when you beat Roxas, you can obtain final form, and maximize your drive levels.

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Cherrim

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I've got a question. In Chain of Memories Namine explains how memories work and how memories are kept in the heart, and then in Days and KHII the Organization members talk about their memories. How can they even have memories if they don't have hearts?
That... is a very good question. Chain of Memories dorkage ahoy!

Spoiler'd for length. :|
Spoiler:
In Chain of Memories, when Sora & Co are in Halloween Town, they learn a bit more about the true nature of memories. (Whether any of it is true is debatable since everything that happened in any of the Disney "worlds" in this game were concocted from Sora's memories.) He makes a potion that reveals someone's "true memories" because, he notes, memories don't always reflect the truth. They get warped and changed as time wears on. The potion was supposed to bring back your true memories, so I guess you'd recall any situation without your mind and thoughts' influence (though it probably goes deeper than that). Then at the end of it all, they decide that true memories unbalance the heart and Sora wants to discover them on his own, etc.

Moving on, when you fight Vexen the last time, he asks Sora whether the Twilight Town they're in feels more real than his memories of Namine. When Sora says Namine is the real memory, Vexen says that the "other side of your heart knows this place". This implies that memories aren't necessarily fully governed by the heart--Namine cannot create memories so any memories he has of her at this point are completely artificial, but the fact that Twilight Town feels familiar to Sora means that Roxas's memories are having some effect on his heart. THIS IS REALLY CONFUSING but I think that's an example of a hidden "true memory" that Sora's mind just can't acknowledge but it's still there. Then Vexen goes on to say "if you remain bound by the chains of memory, and refuse to believe your heart...then you may as well throw your heart away." So... again, that implies that memories are at least somewhat separate from the heart. And Vexen is a scientist doing research on hearts, so he has no reason to lie and what he says is probably completely true.

Later still, after everything is said and done and Namine is partially explaining how she needs to fix Sora's memories, she says that she can't *actually* change his memories--she's just taking them apart and rearranging them. She says that loose links--the ones that she didn't re-add back into the "chain" get lost in the darkness but if Sora remembers his light blah blah blah they'll all come to the surface of his heart or something like that. And Sora says that even if the links are rearranged again, the "memory" of what happened at C.O. will be in his heart somewhere, even if he doesn't know it.


LONG STORY SHORT, I think it's safe to say that your true memories are held in the heart but you don't necessarily need to know your true memories to remember things. Obviously, regular Nobodies have no hearts (the status of Roxas and Namine are debatable since their "hearts" were never lost to the darkness). Since most of them seem to have their memories in tact, we can probably just chalk it up to the fact that they remember their strongest memories because those would be the ones always on their minds before and after becoming Nobodies, but their "true memories", whatever those are, are lost until they get their hearts back.


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Well, in addition, what about Axel? I think he's extremely debatable as well, even though often in CoM he acts as if he has no heart, he does't. Roxas changes that though, as does Xion, but his statement that Roxas(which ultimately means Xion as well, even if he doesn't know it at the time) makes him feel like has HAS a heart, may actually be true. His experiences with someone that close that are indeed influenced by hearts of their own, or at least a heart connected to them(Roxas[Xion], Namine) can in fact possibly builda heart inside a Nobody. I kind of doubted my own theory until recently, when I played KH2FM+, in the scenes after the Roxas fight, Axel cries when he says goodbye to Roxas. Even if this heart is artificial, it could mean that that artificial heart is sustaining Axel, thus keeping "alive"(this particular idea taken from the KHwiki) and that Axel is simply wandering the Realm of Darkness, until he finds his true heart.

Another something I noticed, in that scene, both Roxas and Axel disappeared, yet they disappeared into these things from light, not dark. Roxas eventually fused with Sora after that point, so maybe Axel managed to fuse with his real self(Somebody?) after that point too. This, of course, would destroy my previous theory of Axel having a new "Nobody" heart built inside him, but that could also mean that Axel's real self, like Sora and Kairi, managed to evade staying a Heartless for too long a period of time.

This also brings my idea to the surface where Namine may not actually be a Nobody. DiZ said she wasn't born like other Nobodies, but maybe she's not one at all. This could tie into BbS, but maybe she's an Unversed created from Kairi. Kairi didn't actually turn into a Heartless as far as we know, she just went poof in the Secret Place, and later showed up as a Zombie-Kairi, all out of it and unconscience. So maybe when Kairi went poof, Namine was born.

:O Eeek, I'm thinking too much.

And they STILL never told us what was REALLY behind that Door in the Secret Place. >_< Ugggh.

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I do hope we see Axel again, whether it be a glimpse in BBS, or that we meet him again if there is a KH3. =/

I'm not gonna be here for a few days, but I'll do my best to get pictures of KH cosplayers. 8D
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I do hope we see Axel again, whether it be a glimpse in BBS, or that we meet him again if there is a KH3. =/

I'm not gonna be here for a few days, but I'll do my best to get pictures of KH cosplayers. 8D
Didnt Axel die in KHII?
Like he blew himself up with that huge fire attack?

Cherrim

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I believe that Axel, by the end of 358/2 Days, starts to have actual feelings, or strong enough "memories" of feelings that he thinks he genuinely feels. I'm not sure exactly but I know something is there from that clock tower scene in FM+. I don't think it builds any sort of artificial heart, nor does Axel actually have one.

Roxas is special. He's a Nobody whose heart is still running around as a human, not a Heartless. Because of this (and the same holds true for Namine, I believe), Roxas has feelings. I think Sora's heart resonates with Axel through Roxas. Since Axel and Roxas are so close, and Roxas shows so many signs of being human, it's not far off to believe that Axel learns to imitate feelings much better (or "tricks" himself into believing he has them) or actually does have them after meeting and befriending Roxas. Either one is practically the same thing to me. ;P

Anyway, I'm pretty sure in an interview... at some point, Nomura implied that if a Nobody's heart was already freed (and not trapped by Kingdom Hearts, iirc?), then they would simply reform into their Other. I'll try to find this and check for sure but it's like 4AM so I really need to get to sleep. XD

And Namine and Roxas were created at the same time--they were both created when Sora released his heart in Hollow Bastion near the end of the first game. :x I'm... pretty certain she's a Nobody because if she wasn't, I know it would've been implied already. Vexen wrote a book about her. XD; I think if she were something else, they'd be hinting at it.

Ugh, that door. I totally forgot about it (again!) until recently. Started replaying KH1 last weekend and got to the door and went "WAIT A SECOND". Did they ever explain who that guy was, either? The one in the brown cloak who talks to Sora by the door and then disappears. D:


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I believe that Axel, by the end of 358/2 Days, starts to have actual feelings, or strong enough "memories" of feelings that he thinks he genuinely feels. I'm not sure exactly but I know something is there from that clock tower scene in FM+. I don't think it builds any sort of artificial heart, nor does Axel actually have one.

Roxas is special. He's a Nobody whose heart is still running around as a human, not a Heartless. Because of this (and the same holds true for Namine, I believe), Roxas has feelings. I think Sora's heart resonates with Axel through Roxas. Since Axel and Roxas are so close, and Roxas shows so many signs of being human, it's not far off to believe that Axel learns to imitate feelings much better (or "tricks" himself into believing he has them) or actually does have them after meeting and befriending Roxas. Either one is practically the same thing to me. ;P

Anyway, I'm pretty sure in an interview... at some point, Nomura implied that if a Nobody's heart was already freed (and not trapped by Kingdom Hearts, iirc?), then they would simply reform into their Other. I'll try to find this and check for sure but it's like 4AM so I really need to get to sleep. XD

And Namine and Roxas were created at the same time--they were both created when Sora released his heart in Hollow Bastion near the end of the first game. :x I'm... pretty certain she's a Nobody because if she wasn't, I know it would've been implied already. Vexen wrote a book about her. XD; I think if she were something else, they'd be hinting at it.

Ugh, that door. I totally forgot about it (again!) until recently. Started replaying KH1 last weekend and got to the door and went "WAIT A SECOND". Did they ever explain who that guy was, either? The one in the brown cloak who talks to Sora by the door and then disappears. D:
Wow Now I am thinking,
WAHH My brain hurts, its not good for me to think on my own dammnit.
haha. But yeah that is interesting.

and wasn't that ansem(not Ansem the wise) in the brown cloak?

Cherrim

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Was it? I must admit I didn't really recognize the voice. Maybe I'll go back and watch that scene again after I've actually heard Ansem. :[


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Well since I beat Days, Imma take a little break from my DS till i get SS. I might do a couple of Mission to complete 100% at times. Imma start Final Mix+, and I am gonna record KHFM on my free time and put it on youtube.

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Was it? I must admit I didn't really recognize the voice. Maybe I'll go back and watch that scene again after I've actually heard Ansem. :[
Yeah, it was Xehanort's Heartless, I though everyone knew that. D:

But then what about Kairi and her going poof? Dx Her heart went inside Sora, but where did her body go?

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Yeah, it was Xehanort's Heartless, I though everyone knew that. D:

But then what about Kairi and her going poof? Dx Her heart went inside Sora, but where did her body go?
Wow, thats a good question indeed. where did Kairi go, I never even asked myself that question. Well I'll probably look into.
But for now off to go play KHIIFM :]
I'll probably tell everyone where I am at. Haha

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Sora has visions of Kairi throughout the first game. (ie, he thinks Yuffie is Kairi when he first wakes up and when he gets to Deep Jungle, he imagines Kairi there talking to him.) I'm pretty sure we can chalk up Kairi's poof-disappearance to him just seeing things. Maybe certain situations cause her heart to connect with his and he sees things. I dunno!

And lol I considered it being KH1!Ansem but... idk, why the cloak then? And the guy didn't seem tall enough, though admittedly he was slouched. :( Guess that's why it never clicked for me?


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well think about how riku got his dark power? remember it was ansem in the brown cloak talking to him.

and yeah thats a good question about kairi 0_o. i mean she just magically shows up as a lifeless corpse basically in neverland.


and woot its Vallander your awesome co-owner back from the dead xD.

wow seems like a missed a buttload of stuff 0_o.

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