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Old May 28th, 2009 (5:24 PM).
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Wobbuffet was put in the Uber tier for a reason and having one so early isn't really needed. I think we're better off where we left off in the originals somewhat, but it needs revision that's for sure.
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Wobbuffet is horrible in-game. Trainers hardly switch out their Pokemon anyway and you could take them down much faster without the use of Counter/Mila's Coat.
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Old May 29th, 2009 (5:23 AM).
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Plus, Wobbuffet has great defensive stats, that it'll be hard for in-game Pokémon to take it down as well as it being hard for Wobbuffet to take down others. So, that I won't be needing early in the game pretty much.
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Wobbuffet has a High HP as same as Blissey they are just great in defense.. But they are weak in Power.
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Old May 29th, 2009 (8:50 AM).
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If they even put it early in the game [Wobbuffet] I probably won't catch it. The only early game Pokémon I'll obtain for myself is those that'll help me more out when it comes to the Gyms and Elites.
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I don't see what is wrong with the first Pokémon in the game. I like them. Most of them come in handy at some point or another. Wobbuffet would be useless. It has rubbish attack, but great defence, making it useless in-game.
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From the photos we saw a Teddiursa in Cherrygrove City and Larvitar in the entranceway between Mahogany and Ecruteak City. There were also other Pokemon like Steelix in the Ruins of Alph, but we already know Onixes could be found early... So do you think there will be new early Pokemon? ^.^;
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can you post the picture of this?
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wasnt aipom found in trees by using headbutt?
i hope larvitar is cuz i love training larvitar into tyranitar XD
and teddiursa is soooooo cute!
maybe they will have wild scizor XD
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wasnt aipom found in trees by using headbutt?
i hope larvitar is cuz i love training larvitar into tyranitar XD
and teddiursa is soooooo cute!
maybe they will have wild scizor XD

yea, aipom could be found once you received headbutt which was in Ilex Forest.

I love Teddiursa as well.
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From the photos we saw a Teddiursa in Cherrygrove City and Larvitar in the entranceway between Mahogany and Ecruteak City. There were also other Pokemon like Steelix in the Ruins of Alph, but we already know Onixes could be found early... So do you think there will be new early Pokemon? ^.^;
Not necessairly, they might be found later in game and and the screenshots might have taken after the people who work on the game captured them in the beta and used fly (or some secret developer exclusive method) and to get to places were the screenshots appear so as to not spoil everything. Just a possibility, though.
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Not necessairly, they might be found later in game and and the screenshots might have taken after the people who work on the game captured them in the beta and used fly (or some secret developer exclusive method) and to get to places were the screenshots appear so as to not spoil everything. Just a possibility, though.
I guess but it would also make sense for them to put the Johto Pokemon back in Johto... Perhaps we get to travel to Mt. Silver BEFORE Kanto? o.o;
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Considering this is pretty much on the same topic as this 'Early Game Pokemon' thread, only now with more specifics given the more information - the two threads have been merged.
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Hopefully, HG/SS adds more useful Pokemon such as Phanpy (added in Crystal)
Nope, Phanpy was in Silver, too. I was sad in Gold because I couldn't catch the most adorable Pokémon ever on my game! So I caught Teddiursa to fill the void...

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Wobbuffet has a High HP as same as Blissey they are just great in defense.. But they are weak in Power.
I don't care what anyone says about Wobbuffet. It sucks and doesn't belong on the über list. Not one tiny bit. Blissey is fine, even though it has the most terrible Attack, Speed, and Defense. Its Special Attack is decent and its Special Defense is pretty great. Not to mention its HP is the highest possible value. Can strategize like a superstar.
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well, for the first gym leader, you could always catch a bellsprout, and then trade it for the onyx (Rockey) in the house near the pokemon center. =/
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Or just catch a Geodude in Dark Cave.

I can see them putting Ralts in the beginnning. That would be nice. :3
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That's true, but from the look of some screenshots, we might be getting some better Pokemon earlier.
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Adding to the Gym Leader and Elite Four Rosters, I think GSC really lacked good early game Pokemon. Before Violet City, you only had your starter to rely on and a bunch of mediocre or bad Pokemon like Sentret, Ledyba, Spinarak, and Hoothoot. Although you could have gone through most of the game with them and their evolutions, I am hoping this is not the case for HG/SS with the possibility of a more difficult game.

The only "decent" and easily catchable Pokemon in Gold and Silver before Goldenrod city are Mareep, Wooper, Hoppip, and Poliwag (to Politoed). Hopefully, HG/SS adds more useful Pokemon such as Phanpy (added in Crystal), Teddiursa, or Aipom earlier in the game. :]]]

**Note that I did not mention any first generation Pokemon since I want HG/SS to focus mostly on the second generation. (Not that there were many good 1st gen Pokemon available either! ^__^;; ).
I hope the guy in violet city that trade his onix to a bellsprout is now holding a metalcoat in hg/ss.. & so, a Larvitar in union cave or dark cave, I dont care if its not easy to find one..
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I don't see what is wrong with the first Pokémon in the game. I like them. Most of them come in handy at some point or another. Wobbuffet would be useless. It has rubbish attack, but great defence, making it useless in-game.
I agree because Jigglypuff is at the start of the game and that's handy with sing. :D
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Old June 16th, 2009 (9:19 AM).
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its better to catch a hoothoot for the hypnosis attack,also if they include hoenn pokemon they might include a poochyena which learns bite(may be helpful),butterfree with confusion,also dont remenber if u can find bellsprout at bellsprout tower, but if u can,catch one and trade it for an onix before battling falkner and maybe catching a gastly in bellsprout tower might be helpful since normal types cant hit him.;)
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Although I would agree with you that the game needs more Pokémons (not only on the start), I would just because there are 251 in one dex (which should be filled before the elite4, indeed it was not possible).
They do this because If you had the good Pokémons you wanted In your team from the start, you would only caught those and any other else (I remember my friend, who had 4 Pokémons caught, which were Totodile, Croconaw, Feraligatr and Togepi), so this is a garantee that you will (most probably) catch some Pokémons.

There are enough Pokémons (they may be bad, but are useful) that can be used for the first gym, on every region.
Kanto: Mankey, Nidoran | Johto: Geodude, Mareep, Onix(trade), phanpy (crystal) | Hoenn: Shroomish, Wingull | Sinnoh: Budew was, I guess
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Old June 16th, 2009 (5:29 PM).
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wait a minute hold up!!!!! there are some decent poke's (which turn out to be great poke's) in the beginning of the game
ex: gastly at sprout tower, pidgey (always a staple), and then mareep
gastly->haunter-> (maybe) gengar are always good poke's with high speed and sp attack
pidgey->pidgeotto->pidgeot come on now, theyre epic and they do come in handy
mareep->flaaffy->ampharos one of the better electric tyrpes IMO

now u cant say there arent any decent/good poke's in the beginning of GSC...

and i think they will probly add maybe 1 or 2 new poke's to the begininng areas, just to add a lil more to the remakes..didnt they do that in FR and LG too???
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I think that there are really good pokemon in the beginning of the games, you just have to think about what they will be when they are fully evolved.

And the reason there are not as great pokemon as some people wish in the beginnings is because they try to make the games a challenge so you won't be able to zip through it with all of you favorite pokemon you got from that first patch of grass outside of New Bark Town.
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I think that there are really good pokemon in the beginning of the games, you just have to think about what they will be when they are fully evolved.

And the reason there are not as great pokemon as some people wish in the beginnings is because they try to make the games a challenge so you won't be able to zip through it with all of you favorite pokemon you got from that first patch of grass outside of New Bark Town.
There are great Pokémon at the beginning of the game. Except, the thing with most players is that they want better than that. They want to have the strongest team early so they can easily win through the game. However, getting that early team so soon isn't going to make the game anything, but boring.

If you really think about it, if you gain your entire team so early, then what is going to be relateively fun in the game besides training, playing through the storyline, and beating the gyms so you can enter the Pokémon League. However, if we simply wait, and enjoy going through the game, then as you continue to progress and catch that Pokémon you want, it gives you some more enjoyment and something to do. I think it is people thinking about basically having the strongest first when in-game it doesn't matter what you train as long as you enjoy playing it.

For me, yes there are going to be like one or two that I catch early, but I want to play through the game and as I go have new Pokémon to catch and enjoy training for later on. So, if anything were to be changed to the earlier encounters, then it should be minor touches. However, having a Pokémon like, say for example, Sneasel would just be too easy. Not to mention, the location of a Pokémon needs to make sense, it cannot simply be put there because they want to, but rather to have its location somewhere that fits. As another example, in Platinum, we couldn't catch Sneasel until Snowpoint, which is pretty far in the game, however it made perfect sense placing it there and not anywhere else. The same would go for the Ice Cave in the remakes.

[/I used Sneasel as a basic reference, however there are other Pokémon who fit into this category]
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I agree. I like to slowly gain progress on my team. My only limit is that they're before Mt. Silver so I can use them for the Elite Four. I like to be at pace with the early gym leaders, only having three Pokémon. I don't know how early I'll find Larvitar, but I'll be patient.
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#077: Ponyta - The Fire Horse Pokémon
Fire ~ Field eggs
3'03" ~ 66.1lbs ~ 50/50

Its hooves are 10 times harder
than diamonds. It can trample
anything completely flat in moments.

Abilities: Run Away or Flash Fire or Flame Body
Moves: Growl, Flame Wheel, Stomp, Agility
Locations: Pokémon Mansion

Cry

Other names:

jp: ポニータ (Ponyta)
de: Ponita
fr: Ponyta
cn: 小火馬 (Xiǎohuǒmǎ)


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