Do you think it's OK to hack? Page 2

Started by AshleyRules100 June 5th, 2009 1:25 AM
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Do you Think its OK to hack a game?

Seen September 8th, 2013
Posted March 11th, 2013
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As long as you own a hard copy of the game then it's perfectly legal
This is not true. The only legal way to own a Nintendo ROM is to dump it yourself, directly from the cartridge.
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Posted July 20th, 2012
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Hacking is totally fine!
But this noob, Boisvert, keeps saying that Hacking illegal, bla, bla, bla....
Who cares? Even it is illegal, we'll still hack them. We'll do it whatever it takes.
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Legal so long as you have the game, I believe?
And yeah, it's fine. But I'm not too good >_>
Nope it's legal all the time.
I don't own any of the Pokemon Game Cartirages and yet, I still Hack them.
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Seen October 20th, 2013
Posted July 24th, 2009
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13.9 Years
This is not true. The only legal way to own a Nintendo ROM is to dump it yourself, directly from the cartridge.
Well you are right for most parts. Self-dumping ROMs would be a reasonable legal way (pretty hard to argue with that logic). However, there is no legal authority (a case or legislation) on whether you can or cannot play a back up of a game you own (back up game not being genuine).

The reason for complication is that you have a legal license to use/play the game. Since it is data, even though you have no license over the unowned game data itself is not just a physical ownership (it is a license to be use/play the data, not just ownership of data/Cartridge). Again, this would be the other view, and there is no legal authority for it. Good ole LAW~~~ 4 more freaking years~!

To put it in a simple term for license, the software you paid and downloaded and the software you paid and got the CD for, both have right to use the data. It is irrelevant whether someone owns the CD (Cartridge) or does not.

If all argument fails, if you can prove you never play the ROM on the cartage that you bought and just played the ROM you downloaded after buying, that would be a reasonable reason for misuse of the license (saying that you did not know helps in cases with no statue or authorities. I'm serious!).

What's wrong with rom hacking? As long as you own a hard copy of the game then it's perfectly legal and most rom hacks improve games.
Said before, no legal authority on that.
In fact game modifications are usually praised ----> Counter-Strike (they were even hired by Half Life Staff)
However, on moral grounds, how would you feel if people didn't ask for permissions for editing for a game you made. To be more relevant in this forum,
"How would you feel if someone modified your hacked Pokemon Rom you spent hours and hours on and put their name on the ROM WITHOUT ASKING!?!? #[email protected]$#$%@[email protected]%!!!~"

On license I'm pretty sure it says you cannot modify the ROM.
Since it's not even written in bold I dun care!
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Saying hacking is wrong is simply silly. Unless it's used for commercial gain using copyrighted materials (in this case, copyrighted characters, concepts etc.) hacking is no more sinister than drawing a picture of your favorite anime/video game character. It's a fan work created by fans, for fans with no intent to infringe on any copyright and it does absolutely no damage to the copyright holder in any way, nor does it illegally use copyrighted material for unauthorized monetary gain. Downloading the ROMs to hack, if you don't own them that is, is wrong, but it falls under software piracy, which is a whole different area of concern than game hacking.

To be more relevant in this forum,
"How would you feel if someone modified your hacked Pokemon Rom you spent hours and hours on and put their name on the ROM WITHOUT ASKING!?!? #[email protected]$#$%@[email protected]%!!!~"
That's a flawed argument though. For one, everyone knows who the creators of the original games are, and technically, everyone who plays the hacks HAVE to own the actual game in order to legally own a copy of the ROM with which they use the patch file in question, therefore anyone who legally uses a hack would know about the original game. As long as the hacker does nothing to enable the player to illegally obtain a copy of the actual ROM in question, they can't be held responsible, and either way, they're only distributing a small file that does nothing without the direct consent and conscious decision on the part of the player themselves. I've also never seen a hack that claims to have made or own the original ROM in any way, shape or form. And in the end, copyright laws are created and enforced solely to protect the ability for a copyright holder to fully use and profit from their own creation in any way they chose, so if a given person does nothing to infringe on their ability to use or profit from their ideas, then no wrong-doing has occurred.
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If ya ask me, hackin' a Pokémon game would be, like, findin' a picture of a famous paintin', say, Michelangeos' Creation of Adam, on the internet, open it on msPaint, drawin' a mustauche on it, and show it to others on a Forum. And what's wrong with that, it even trains your skills in drawing mustauches :mudkip^_^:.

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Didn't we have this discussion last year? Well, either way, I do think it's fine, unless you're trying to make money off of someone elses product, that's not okay.
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Posted July 18th, 2010
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To me a ROM hack is an improvement with the multitude of hacks across the internet you think Nintendo would've learned by now that the SAME story 20 times isn't good and thats one of the reasons hacking is good, to add twists, a new story, new creatures, and actually challanging challenges.

And with that i end (that really sounded better in my head xD)

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Seen December 20th, 2012
Posted July 21st, 2012
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I think rom hacking is perfectly fine as long as you don't use it for selling purposes. If you rom hack just for the fun and you like to make your own pokemon game, that's completely fine with me.
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I like hacking. It's funny! And another hacks are funny to test but I don't like if they are horrible looking.

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Seen October 20th, 2013
Posted July 24th, 2009
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That's a flawed argument though. For one, everyone knows who the creators of the original games are, and technically, everyone who plays the hacks HAVE to own the actual game in order to legally own a copy of the ROM with which they use the patch file in question, therefore anyone who legally uses a hack would know about the original game. As long as the hacker does nothing to enable the player to illegally obtain a copy of the actual ROM in question, they can't be held responsible, and either way, they're only distributing a small file that does nothing without the direct consent and conscious decision on the part of the player themselves. I've also never seen a hack that claims to have made or own the original ROM in any way, shape or form. And in the end, copyright laws are created and enforced solely to protect the ability for a copyright holder to fully use and profit from their own creation in any way they chose, so if a given person does nothing to infringe on their ability to use or profit from their ideas, then no wrong-doing has occurred.
Sighs... there is terms of agreement (or license) to every DS game. Dun say things you don't understand. If it is not breach of IP (intellectual property) which it is (it covers modification), you are breaching the license. However, again there is no precedent for such cases as of yet (for ROM modifications). Adding more facts it is irrelevant if one makes no profit out of it. It's an intellectual property, if you read copyright laws (which i had to) there is a term called "distribution". Distribution itself is breach of IP. Hacking would be okay (or doing anything you want with it) if it was not distributed.

for your so called "flawed argument" the wrong is doing without permission. I never said erasing original hacker's name. If someone adds more stuff and put their name on it, says "originally by ". Without permission it's a reasonable argument. Since you would not be to happy with that (if you were a reasonable person in this case). If you worked 100's of hours on it and someone just adds a new berry system on your hack and says edited by ~~~. It is wrong (again without permission). Legally , not wrong. Since you are not covered by intellectual property for the hacking since you are breach of it already from hacking the rom in the first place.

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Posted January 9th, 2015
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All I gotta say is that I love GNU. ALL ROMS SHOULD HAVE GNU LICENCES

All joking aside, I have no problem with hacking. It's an expression of fandom!

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Posted August 10th, 2011
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i think hacking is ok. like the run through everything hack or the ifinite balls hack. there fun.

i dont thnk its ok to make fake pokemon though. there fun and its cool to say you have them but its kinda.. i dnt know... what real reason do you have to make them. the orginal pokemon games are just fine and are plenty fun.