Reputation Page 4

Started by GKS June 29th, 2009 2:09 PM
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.Seth

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It's not only stricter rules, we also need an age limit. We can prohibit <12, or maybe =<10. Because it's obvious little kids coming here cannot handle criticism or any sort of formal discussion. With that, it should be enough to cut off most of the spam rep. Besides that, we should also prohibit reputation from members with multiple infractions for a time limit or permanently. Those are the kind of people that tend to abuse the rep system.
So true. Age limit would help some, but only to the real young kids. Like 8 or 9 year olds. I have no way of saying what age group does the most rep abuse, but it is possible that it's the more immature and younger members of PC. Cutting off reputation with people who have multiple infractions might work, and then again, it might not. Either way, I think these are both good ideas.

Whether they're implemented or not is entirely up to the staff. This is just my two cents.

Spinor

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Not just little kids, but little kids are part of the abusers because of their immaturity. Cutting off their rights to rep would help with the abuse problem. I never said, however, little kids where the Osama bin Laden of this mess. I also stated that those with more infractions also have the potential and immaturity to abuse the system. Which is why I suggest cutting off to those groups besides strengthening the rules.

Nick

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Not just little kids, but little kids are part of the abusers because of their immaturity. Cutting off their rights to rep would help with the abuse problem. I never said, however, little kids where the Osama bin Laden of this mess. I also stated that those with more infractions also have the potential and immaturity to abuse the system. Which is why I suggest cutting off to those groups besides strengthening the rules.
Wow, that's a lot of news to me. Most of the people I see abuse reputation are teenagers who frequent the forums.

Spinor

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Wow, that's a lot of news to me. Most of the people I see abuse reputation are teenagers who frequent the forums.
The problem with the teenage group, is that the diversity is extreme. It is more worth blocking off the rep to certain groups to take care of most of the hassle in hunting down abusers. I also mentioned those with many infractions. That can surely filter out finely as well.

Spinor

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How would it not be fair? It benefits 99% of the rest and gives us the piece of mind with the age precaution and the consequence restriction.

And don't say it's not fair for the kids, because then it would not be fair to let them into a bar just a equally.
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How would it not be fair? It benefits 99% of the rest and gives us the piece of mind with the age precaution and the consequence restriction.

And don't say it's not fair for the kids, because then it would not be fair to let them into a bar just a equally.
You can't compare the right of young users to use the rep system to a bar. It's not the same thing at all.

Spinor

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It is sanely comparable, however. If kids were actually let into a bar, they would abuse themselves with the alcohol as well as others because of immaturity. With the rep system, they can also abuse to others, as well as themselves if they prove to be immature enough.
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Posted December 27th, 2011
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How would it not be fair? It benefits 99% of the rest and gives us the piece of mind with the age precaution and the consequence restriction.

And don't say it's not fair for the kids, because then it would not be fair to let them into a bar just a equally.
Preventing people from being able to use the reputation system based on a generalization is not only unfair but close-minded at the same time and cause for more problems down the line. Also, I fail to see how not allowing underage minors inside a business that provides and sells beverages that are, in their circumstances, illegal as being anywhere close to being unfair let alone relevant to the current topic at hand.

Spinor

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Preventing people from being able to use the reputation system based on a generalization is not only unfair but close-minded at the same time and cause for more problems down the line. Also, I fail to see how not allowing underage minors inside a business that provides and sells beverages that are, in their circumstances, illegal as being anywhere close to being unfair let alone relevant to the current topic at hand.
I am not necessarily comparing legality, though. I am comparing potential nuisance to others based on misplacement.

And it is very true that kids that come here still in elementary don't have the maturity to handle this system. So we have to set an age. Just like a voting age was set for the US Presidential elections, so those with lower judgment capacities than others don't get into something only handled by older people.

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It is sanely comparable, however. If kids were actually let into a bar, they would abuse themselves with the alcohol as well as others because of immaturity. With the rep system, they can also abuse to others, as well as themselves if they prove to be immature enough.
Dude, your argument makes no sense. If a man is holding a match, it doesn't mean he'll commit arson. In this case, the match represents immaturity, but that's unfair since that implies (and might as well say directly) that all little kids are immature. Also, adults can do pretty insane stuff in a bar too. Wow, you've stopped the kids from drunk driving or getting drunk at all. Too bad the adults can still do it, which in this case translates to the teenage portion of our members, who abuse rep way more than little kids do lol. So yes, you ban kids from the bar and stop them from drinking, yet drunk driving (which translates to rep abuse) has not been prevented. So what exactly is the point? Even if you say you're not blaming the kids (they're not the Bin Laden of the problem or whatever), you might as well be since they're the ones paying for it. Making rash generalizations for the sake of wanting to try to make things better is a bad way of going about things, and it won't help anyway. If we can't handle the system as it stands (and we obviously can't for the many reasons stated), there's no point in keeping it. But if we do, there's no point in doing some ridiculous age limit which is really unfair and doesn't make sense.
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Nick

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It is sanely comparable, however. If kids were actually let into a bar, they would abuse themselves with the alcohol as well as others because of immaturity. With the rep system, they can also abuse to others, as well as themselves if they prove to be immature enough.
Um, wow. This forum is a Pokémon forum. Pokémon is more attractive to younger children than it is older. Sure, there are some of us who like it, but that's most likely due to the fact that we grew up with it. I know if I randomly turned the anime on without ever hearing about it, I would most likely laugh at it, and change the channel to something else. Limiting reputation to older members, who care about a lot more than just the experience, seems, to be blunt, like a retarded idea.

If you thought this through, you would see the fact that this site is not aimed towards college scholars. It's aimed towards children who share an interest in Pokémon. I highly doubt that many of them even understand the reputation system or want a part in it anyway. I don't think they really care about their reputation, either. Not like that of older teenagers do.

Comparing a Pokemon forum feature to a bar is thinking so far out of the box. What does reputation have anything related to do with alchohol? Absolutely nothing.

My opinion, limiting it to teenagers and up on a Pokémon forum is just a retarded idea. Especially coming from someone as immature as you.
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I think it is time to drop the comparison between children in bars with children using rep systems. That makes almost no sense. Especially since there is an age limit on bars because alcoholic beverages are not to be served to minors, like teitan pointed out. Do we even know that children abuse the system more than older users?

Spinor

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There isn't much direct evidence that focuses on having kids as the culprits. But in the base of everything, I am just suggesting a small set limit to prevent something.

Besides my suggestion for age restriction, I also brought up an infraction limit. Prohibiting members with excess infractions from the rep system. As a consequence a precaution. Excess, however, is something I can't definitely define. That would be up to staff.
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Posted December 27th, 2011
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I am not necessarily comparing legality, though. I am comparing potential nuisance to others based on misplacement.
I feel it is much more beneficial for one to focus on their energy on fixing the actual issue or problem at hand and not on attempting to prevent a scenario that may or may not even happen.

And it is very true that kids that come here still in elementary don't have the maturity to handle this system. So we have to set an age.
Or we can handle those issues if and/or when they happen by our staff informing them of how the reputation system works, what their options are about turning the feature on and off, and allowing them to learn and mature from those situations like we all have or will have to do at some point in our lifetime. If problems arise from them still not being able to handle it, then the staff should take the necessary precautions towards that individual but don't limit or discipline the entire community based on one's actions.

Just like a voting age was set for the US Presidential elections, so those with lower judgment capacities than others don't get into something only handled by older people.
I take it you enjoy extreme examples.

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There isn't much direct evidence that focuses on having kids as the culprits. But in the base of everything, I am just suggesting a small set limit to prevent something.

Besides my suggestion for age restriction, I also brought up an infraction limit. Prohibiting members with excess infractions from the rep system. As a consequence a precaution. Excess, however, is something I can't definitely define. That would be up to staff.
It's still an unfair generalization, so it doesn't really matter. Besides, what's the point of having a limit against a group that you can't prove is "to blame" for the joke that is the reputation system?

The infraction thing is the same deal - a generalization. We can't just determine that all infraction-heavy users are bad for the system so we prevent them from using the system. I'm all for preventative measures (even though it's clear that they're pretty hopeless since, if rep wasn't a joke before, it is now), but they have to be fair. Otherwise it's just creating a new problem.
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I don't get why everyone thinks we should totally ban it. If you don't want a part in it, there are two simple solutions:

1. Disable rep for yourself.
2. Ignore the threads that talk about it. -.-

Just because some people don't like the system doesn't mean we should all get sucked into the decision. The abuse is bad, but some people are willing to keep their rep points anyway.

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I don't get why everyone thinks we should totally ban it. If you don't want a part in it, there are two simple solutions:

1. Disable rep for yourself.
2. Ignore the threads that talk about it. -.-

Just because some people don't like the system doesn't mean we should all get sucked into the decision.
You are right, any of you could get rid of it for themselves by just disabling it. Why do you want the whole system to do down?

Spinor

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The problem with problems is that there will always be a problem on any forum. There is no such thing as a perfect board without problems. The problem right now is rep abuse. We can turn it off, but that will cause the problem of some other people speaking against that. We can restrict groups, and that will cause of course some of them to speak against, but it will give some benefit to others that don't deserve those people's spam. We can also strengthen rules, but no matter where, there will always be a rule breaker out there.