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Old July 20th, 2009 (6:48 PM).
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Not true. Even though they had remakes, a fair number of people still play Red and Blue, occasionally. The same will go for G/S/C (or would if they could still save :/).
I'm not sure that crystal has died yet.

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If you were expecting a Pokemon Game of today to be simple then I dont know what world you come from.
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I don't see how a completely new game is going to "ruin" the old one. It's on a completely different system. It's not like the old one is going to be changed at all. I like the drawing thing because if you are playing the game at 11:58 pm and you're waiting for it to be 12:00am so you can battle in the battleground or re-battle your rival, you need something to do before waiting for the time to pass. So, I draw. I don't want to open up Pictochat to draw. If you're so worried, then don't play it. You can still play the originals. They haven't touched those. This is just new game that just happens to have similar ideas as the originals had. Don't worry. You're worrying for nothing. The best thing is to have no expectations, so you won't get let down. Pretend you have never even played Pokemon until you play this game. HGSS and the original GS are two completely different things. FrLg were way different than the originals. (And better IMO.) Don't worry.
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The great thing about Gold and Silver was that it was a new game with new Pokemon, and we were all ten. The new games have gotten better, not worse. Yes, some of the new features are completely pointless, but apart from some minor scrolling issues, they do not detract from the experience.
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As for the whole simplicity thing in this case would it be better?
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As for the whole simplicity thing in this case would it be better?
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Major props for the comparisons my friend. The old to new is like a turkey being chucked at a rainbow and coming down as a peacock. It looks wayy better IMO
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I doubt that this game will live up to all expectations. That would be impossible as most of them contradict others. This game will, however, meet a lot of expectations, and in the end that's all we can really ask of a game. This game will be great if you can look past some of the flaws.
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The great thing about Gold and Silver was that it was a new game with new Pokemon, and we were all ten. The new games have gotten better, not worse. Yes, some of the new features are completely pointless, but apart from some minor scrolling issues, they do not detract from the experience.
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Major props for the comparisons my friend. The old to new is like a turkey being chucked at a rainbow and coming down as a peacock. It looks wayy better IMO
^ LOL, I totally agree with you on that. :3

Ok, now it's my turn. Soooo much to say. I warn you, I get critical.

To start off, Hey man, I respect your opinion. But I can't say I completely agree with you.

What my good man Chronic edge said, is completely true. When the metal games came out, it completely changed on how we played Pokemon and surprised us with new Pokemon, new regions and new adventures. So, let me ask you this, why do you think the remakes of probably the best Pokemon games ever, will be a big letdown? Because it includes newer things from the newest generations of the game?

If i'm not mistaken, EVERY single new Pokemon game released after Generation II has been praised by both fans and critics alike. I think the lowest rating a pokemon game has gotten has been like a 8.5 out of 10....My point is, with every new game. New things are added: new Pokemon, locations, quests, etc. And always it has been proven to make a game better, this includes remakes.

A good example, is when Fire Red and Leaf Green came out. A classic and very well made role playing game gets better Graphics, sound, game play and additional features. It blew me away to be playing what I was playing years earlier, but better.

So if Leaf Green and Fire Red where remakes of the ORIGINAL Pokemon games, and were pretty well received, imagine how Heart Gold and Soul Silver are going to be with all the stuff in the Pokemon games up til now. Since many consider the Metal games to be THE BEST of the pokemon games, imagine how the remakes are going to be. We are going to get better Graphics, re-imagined story and area locations, the G/S/C Pokemon with Updated moves, etc.

Now, on to some of your statements.

Let me get this straight, your complaining about the Poketech because it has apps that you would never use? I mean seriously, does it bother you THAT much? Who cares? You probably spend more time playing the game than caring or using your Poketch for the the most part.

Another thing, you found the tutorials annoying. You do realize that Pokemon attracts gamers from all ages, but they majority that play it are usually between the ages of 10 and 15? I mean, not EVERYBODY has been playing Pokemon ever since it came out. The tutorials are there for a REASON. And If I'm not wrong, I think you could disable or exit most of the tutorials if you chose to...

As for berries, when they were in G/S/C its basically the same as today. Except you didn't have to plant them, you'd just wait a day and they would be back in the same spot.

In my opinion, I think the remakes are going to be a success. But I think the talk about the Metal games is a little too much, especially since a North American release date hasn't even been announced. :/ There's also the fact that I KNOW for certain people are going to play HG and SS on emulators once somebody translates a Rom from Japanese to English. This is probably where most people are going to form their opinions about the game.

So here's my point, I don't see how you can criticize a game that hasn't even come out yet by not knowing ANYTHING about how the game will be. Yes, details have been revealed And ALL of us have been aware of the few changes made, by seeing pictures and gameplay.

You can't say a game is going to be a big letdown because of a FEW flaws that don't affect or matter at all to your primary gaming experience.

I may be wrong, but I don't think any of the concerns you posted in your statement have been mentioned that they will be included or added in the HG and SS remake.

At least, nothing you mentioned appears in what I read in Bulbapedia when I first heard of the remakes:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_HeartGold_and_SoulSilver_Versions#Aesthetic_changes

All I can see is that the Pokegear, not POKETECH, will have alternate colors for the Boy and Girl characters. :P

I rest my case.
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Don't like teh new featurz? zomg kyogr groundn 2 mch zomg?

Well,

DONT USE THE NEW FEATURES AND STICK WITH THE ORIGINALS! AND THERE'S A COMPLAINTS THREAD FOR THIS!

Take of the nostalgia goggles. They're new games. And, nobody in the world has played the complete game. How'd you know its rubbish?

Seriously, think about it.
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That's funny that you think that GSC was simple.

Last time I checked, Gold/Silver/Crystal were anything BUT simple. They added more features than any other game since:

  • 2 New types which completely balanced the Game
  • Day/Night system, which was scrapped in 3rd Gen and re-introduced in 4th
  • Berries
  • Different types of Pokeballs (Not just the apricorns, because they were the means to an end. You couldn't do anything with just the apricorns themselves.)
  • Events: Celebi. Even though it wasn't brought to America, it was still one of the first event pokemon
  • Events that happened depending on the day of the week. There were several: bug catching on tuesdays and thursdays, that lady in the underground on monday mornings, the barber shop brothers, the weekday siblings..
  • EV training. Yes, ev training was first introduced in G/S/C. The difference then was that you could max out every stat, rather than 510 evs.
  • Shiny Pokemon
  • Gender
  • Crystal introduced the first playable female character
  • Running Legendaries
  • Full Color
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  • Radio
  • Battle Tower (Crystal)
  • Held items
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  • Breeding
  • Customizable Rooms
  • Mystery Gift
  • A mom that actually did more than sit there. She saved your cash like a bank. Granted, that was scrapped later, but it was something
  • Different Formes of the same pokemon (Unown)



Also, in terms of the PokeWalk.. that's not new. That's, like, a remake of Pokemon Pikachu. It looks as though they're going to pack whatever features that were in Pokemon Yellow that werent' in any other game into HG/SS. Which excites me a lot.
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but they already made that kind of game
they are making this for the people that want something new
If you don't like it don't buy it
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Nintendo thinks we got used to features from other generations-pokétch, pokégear, Berries. So, they think, we "like" the new features.And, I agree with the 1st post-It should be more simple.
We have ALL these events with legendary pokemon, the pokewalker etc...It should be more simple...but not too simple...it should be a real challange this time.
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Stop breathing the nostalgia smoke and step into the realm of the 21st century, If you dun like the games just go back and play the original games >>
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huh.. i never thought about it like that. thats a good point SMGkururu

But i think it will be good, the whole reason for a remake is to make some changes, its not going to be the same. it wont be as simple but i think it wont be to complicated. i think it will be good, and that we will all be satisfied with it. no matter what people say about it im still goning to be excited about it.
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Umm, are you ganna let new generation products deduct fun from your game play? Really, if you do not like the PokeTch, don't use it, simple as that. Shouldn't you be playing the game for fun?

And Game Freak made the PokeWalker to get more player active in exercising, if you do not like exercising, do not use the model, simple as that.
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I think I'm going to like the remakes better than the original. They kept a lot of the music the same. It sounds very nice. They even kept the Professor Oak and Mary talk show music on the Pokegear! The Pokegear still has the phone, radio, map, but with a new item finder. They kept that gadget simple, but better. The gyms look a lot better, but they kept some of the old things such as darkness (Morty's gym) but added candles, Clefairy shape (Whitney's gym) but made it more noticeable, and a forest (Bugsy's gym) however, they added cool looking moving spiders in Bugsy's gym. So far this game has exceeded my expectations. If you don't like the changes, then just play the originals. I don't know what to tell you. I still think you should give this game a chance and not have high expectations.
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I must agree that it wont feel as great as the original did simply because we are much older now. G/S/C was great because we were younger and everything looks and plays better when your younger. I know some guy trying to act cool will say "i wus 14 wen i plys teh gold/selver bla bla" the point is that many of the features that D/P/Pt brought us wasn't as great as it could be. like the OP said, drawing? a thing that lets to see hearts above your pokemon's head? it was a worthless add-on and i was really hoping that the touch screen would add some -USEFUL- features. By the looks of it, New-HGSS will have much more useful ideas for the touch-screen but im not holding my breath.

When we play it, it wont feel the same as the original, because we wont have the same feelings of "awesome, new pokemon! i cant wait! or omg breeding? Lugia from the movie?! i can trade my bad-ass old team from B/R/Y? holy cow, night and day cycle? etc" because these features come standard now. Agian, watch somebody say "it'll feel new to me because i never played G/S/C" well thats fine but we have HUGE standards for the best generation of pokemon and honestly, it's going to let us down because theres no way nintendo can meet our standards. It'll just be Diamond/Pearl all over agian except in Johto.

I for one, will still play it, but im not expecting it to be anywhere near as magical was my first Gold run-through was.
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Of course we're not going to feel the same way we felt when we played the original. This isn't exactly a new game. It's a remake of a game most of us have already played. Gold was my first Pokemon game and I was excited about everything. Even catching a Magikarp for the first time. That was awesome. That doesn't take away from the fact that this will be a great game. Sure we may not be as excited when we play it, but that's because we were given a lot of info early on. It's like peeking at your Christmas gifts early. If we first found out about any Pokemon following when we first played, we'd be much more excited. I know I'd be like "NO WAY!!?! I can do this?! THIS IS AWESOME! :D" But we found out all this stuff from CoroCoro, serebii, and Pokemon Sunday. I was excited when I found out the info sure. If I didn't know any of this and just got the game, I'd be more excited when finding this stuff out. For some people this will be their first Pokemon game. It's not going to have the same exact magic because it's a game we have already played, but brought up to date. For those of us who have played every rpg pokemon game and looked up the info for this game, we'll already know what to expect.

I'm just happy that I can play this game with a better understanding. (Back then, I had no idea that the haircutting brothers made your pokemon's happiness increase for evolving.)
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Before the Poketech, the PokeWalker, planting berries, all that crap.
The Poketch has only been a helpful addition.
The new types of berries, and the ability to plant them has also only added to the fun, though I'll admit the mulches are a bit too much.
The Pokewalker isn't something in-game anyways, and it doesn't do anything special or unlock anything in the game anyways, so you can just ignore it.


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Now with the Poketech, you've got stuff like drawing. IF I WANTED TO DRAW I'D OPEN UP PICTOCHAT, I DIDN'T PAY $35 TO DRAW!)
The drawing is an added feature. They could have not made it at all and it would still cost $35 to you.
Would you have liked that better? It only adds to the fun, and doesn't take away anything...


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I'll admit pokemon following you is cool, but nintendo fails to realize that it's the simplicity we liked.
You can still stick to simplicity if you want by ignoring these tough features.
You can choose it in game whether you want the Pokemon to follow you or not, so there's no problem.


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With the exception of your home, every feature had a reason.
Even your home had a reason, just so you know.
It makes it realistic. You wouldn't like to know that the main character lives in the streets, would you?
Most of the additions of new features are only done because they're helpful, and because they can be ignored if you don't want to use them too.


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The touch screen in overkill in pokemon, it just raised the ability of developers to put stupid stuff into games.
The touch screen has made things a whole lot easier in Platinum too, you must have seen.
Again, it only adds gimmicks which you can easily ignore, but it really does only help you do things in a more simplified way...
The touch screen is going to make HG/SS a much more simplified and "easy to navigate" game.
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After that, I don't think that there's anything to not like about these games. If you think otherwise, just don't buy them.

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I thought everyone was excited to hear after so long there will Generation 2 remakes! And now your not liking what Nin10Doh, or GameFreak is doing with it? Come on! At least were going back to Johto with updated stuff, be cool about it and don't complain about it being "Not simple looking"... For people who played Platinum, there now looking for a bigger, better, stronger game than before, so I don't care if Kanto turns into a Battle Frontier (Wait... that would suck lol), or they introduce new evolutions to old pokemon thats HGSS exclusives only, who cares! As long as it takes place in Johto, still has all it's old features plus MANY new ones, a little (or Big) change in the storyline, I'm still buyin these games! I'm not looking for simple look or feel to games anymore, I'm looking for a BA game that can show Platinum as a simple looking game lol anyway sorry for writin so much ... ^_^'
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I thought everyone was excited to hear after so long there will Generation 2 remakes! And now your not liking what Nin10Doh, or GameFreak is doing with it? Come on! At least were going back to Johto with updated stuff, be cool about it and don't complain about it being "Not simple looking"... For people who played Platinum, there now looking for a bigger, better, stronger game than before, so I don't care if Kanto turns into a Battle Frontier (Wait... that would suck lol), or they introduce new evolutions to old pokemon thats HGSS exclusives only, who cares! As long as it takes place in Johto, still has all it's old features plus MANY new ones, a little (or Big) change in the storyline, I'm still buyin these games! I'm not looking for simple look or feel to games anymore, I'm looking for a BA game that can show Platinum as a simple looking game lol anyway sorry for writin so much ... ^_^'
Yes! Finally, someone showing some spirit! :D These games are going to be the most awesome games ever. =D

These games won't meet your expectations, they will exceed them. Even the guy from Nintendo said "expect great things."

I mean, what other Pokemon game allows all of the 493 Pokemon to be able to follow you?
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G/S/C were consider complex when it come out.
I mean, a game with a day/night system, as well as a week system! That was breaking technology back then
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