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i WAS never able to tweak my DIAMOND because i only found out about tweaking when my bike was 3 years old and i guess it coulnt go fast enough to tweak or sumthin.
What? How long you have had the bike does not matter, try this:
Google Halloforigin click on the link, go into the section called tweaking help. One of the topics should be called "New easier method to get Darkrai and Shaymin", there you go, much easier.
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I tweaked a long time ago too and saved in the void.
After that I tried to find the Shaymin. I just went to the Fake-Flower Path without the original graphics.
I`ve ride the way up with my bike and ta-daaa!... :(
No Shaymin...

I thought that I`ll never get out from there. Luckily I had an escape rod :P
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I tweaked a long time ago too and saved in the void.
After that I tried to find the Shaymin. I just went to the Fake-Flower Path without the original graphics.
I`ve ride the way up with my bike and ta-daaa!... :(
No Shaymin...

I thought that I`ll never get out from there. Luckily I had an escape rod :P
Escape rod? Did you save in a Jubilife city area in the void, so you would reload in flower paradise?

So I thought I would be the first to find SFS, I get to where it should be, and guess what, it does not exist... Every other FS that should exist, we have found (except for a couple, and nothing too far out). This is weird, because in SS, I was able to find SFJ/K (south fake Johto/Kanto). So, why this happens, dunno. In SS though, the void is an impossibility, so don't try.


Yesterday, someone found a Hall of Origin, indeed proving it is possible to find it in the void. There is a catch however, it is past "SFS", which automatically, according to Zowayixx, is a BSoD. On top of that, I have a theory, and it might explain why these areas do not work even more, and why SFS does not exist. The goal now is to find an HoO (Hall of Origin) ABOVE Real Sinnoh.
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The goal now is to find an HoO (Hall of Origin) ABOVE Real Sinnoh.

Goal accomplished. I've found the exact tile(s) that the Hall of Origin is on, safely save-able and all. Now the goal is to actually GET TO the Hall of Origin. I'll try tomorrow, it's 2:42 AM here.
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And? Anybody managed already to get to the Hall of Origin? xD
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And? Anybody managed already to get to the Hall of Origin? xD
nope, I was on chat last night and asked. No dice.
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nope, I was on chat last night and asked. No dice.

Which is not ENTIRELY true. We've found the Hall of Origin, heck, we've even gotten to it, we just can't save in it yet. We're currently trying to find a way to save in it, but so far, as Dragon said, no dice.
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Which is not ENTIRELY true. We've found the Hall of Origin, heck, we've even gotten to it, we just can't save in it yet. We're currently trying to find a way to save in it, but so far, as Dragon said, no dice.
I know that, I was there when Tef found it... That is why I said no, not to get any hopes up...

EDIT: You know what is weird about this topic? This has very little to do with actual tweaking, and has a lot more to do with the void... I guess it is just common to associate them with each other. Seeing how you can get into the void ONLY by tweaking... If you don't use a... *GASP* Action Replay...

lol Action Replays are very useful for that reason though.

EDIT2: I have to correct a previous mistake I made. SFS (South Fake Sinnoh) indeed does exist. Either I, or Tef (at the time) overshot it, or undershot it.

Later on, Tef got there, and I wanted to see what it was like (explore it), well, I know where I screwed up. There was a blackout at 38K south and 1000 West, and at the time, I went 1000 more west, 4000 south, and 1000 east. Needless to say, I overshot with that 4000, and when I went back up to where SFS should have been, there was nothing.

The next time, at 38K south, I just went 1200 East putting me right on axis with... Newmoon Island I think it was. I was able to get there, and to my disappointment, it was all MZ (Mystery Zone)... I go all the way to SEFS (South East Fake Sinnoh), and also note, the Sunnyshore area has a wall to the east, so I had to go up to the league route and go east. To my disappointment.... SEFS was just an MZ too... So now I try to go up to EFS (You get the acronyms by now, right?), I get to an area of other locations besides MZ, and about 5000 up from that, there was a Hall of Fame location... So needless to say, I am now in the Hall of Fame with only two badges.

*Note: I know Auburn has done that before, but this was the actual Hall of Fame. Before Zowa remarks on this, it is quite common in that area... Which makes it only an obstacle, or a really accidental way to beat the game, lol.

EDIT3: Naturekeeper, here is a little present, after you save and reset at 430 N, go 2400 East, then about 28,000 South. There is one bad thing... You cannot save in it yet. The reason is because it is past a sort of sinnoh, the only void section that works is Sinnoh up to North Fake Sinnoh. Hey, that gives us at least 4,294,127,760 tiles to work with, and we know it exists.
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Which is not ENTIRELY true. We've found the Hall of Origin, heck, we've even gotten to it, we just can't save in it yet. We're currently trying to find a way to save in it, but so far, as Dragon said, no dice.
Hi Zowayixx.

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I know that, I was there when Tef found it... That is why I said no, not to get any hopes up...

EDIT: You know what is weird about this topic? This has very little to do with actual tweaking, and has a lot more to do with the void... I guess it is just common to associate them with each other. Seeing how you can get into the void ONLY by tweaking... If you don't use a... *GASP* Action Replay...

lol Action Replays are very useful for that reason though.

EDIT2: I have to correct a previous mistake I made. SFS (South Fake Sinnoh) indeed does exist. Either I, or Tef (at the time) overshot it, or undershot it.

Later on, Tef got there, and I wanted to see what it was like (explore it), well, I know where I screwed up. There was a blackout at 38K south and 1000 West, and at the time, I went 1000 more west, 4000 south, and 1000 east. Needless to say, I overshot with that 4000, and when I went back up to where SFS should have been, there was nothing.

The next time, at 38K south, I just went 1200 East putting me right on axis with... Newmoon Island I think it was. I was able to get there, and to my disappointment, it was all MZ (Mystery Zone)... I go all the way to SEFS (South East Fake Sinnoh), and also note, the Sunnyshore area has a wall to the east, so I had to go up to the league route and go east. To my disappointment.... SEFS was just an MZ too... So now I try to go up to EFS (You get the acronyms by now, right?), I get to an area of other locations besides MZ, and about 5000 up from that, there was a Hall of Fame location... So needless to say, I am now in the Hall of Fame with only two badges.

*Note: I know Auburn has done that before, but this was the actual Hall of Fame. Before Zowa remarks on this, it is quite common in that area... Which makes it only an obstacle, or a really accidental way to beat the game, lol.

EDIT3: Naturekeeper, here is a little present, after you save and reset at 430 N, go 2400 East, then about 28,000 South. There is one bad thing... You cannot save in it yet. The reason is because it is past a sort of sinnoh, the only void section that works is Sinnoh up to North Fake Sinnoh. Hey, that gives us at least 4,294,127,760 tiles to work with, and we know it exists.
Wish you guys all the best in figuring out how to save in the HoO.

Funny thing, I went to look in the NDS file. (data/fielddata/mapmatrix/map_matrix.narc)

I found a matrix the Hall of Origin is in. It's to the right of Great Marsh Area 6 (wth) and north of the final Ruin Maniac's Cave (the one where Ruin Maniac guy goes "Wow... My digging punched me through to this weird place. I’d say you can thank me for being a Ruin Maniac!"). Or some other direction. But the Hall of Origin is connected to those places. Try the Ruin Maniac Cave. Try going all the way left. And try north as well (not together!) Might not work, I don't know.
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Wish you guys all the best in figuring out how to save in the HoO.

Funny thing, I went to look in the NDS file. (data/fielddata/mapmatrix/map_matrix.narc)

I found a matrix the Hall of Origin is in. It's to the right of Great Marsh Area 6 (wth) and north of the final Ruin Maniac's Cave (the one where Ruin Maniac guy goes "Wow... My digging punched me through to this weird place. I’d say you can thank me for being a Ruin Maniac!"). Or some other direction. But the Hall of Origin is connected to those places. Try the Ruin Maniac Cave. Try going all the way left. And try north as well (not together!) Might not work, I don't know.
Ruin Maniac Cave void. I know how to enter this very void. It has one safe way. It includes this:

1- Do the Shaymin thing, however, stop when you do the whole 65k steps thingy.

2- When you are in Fake Sinnoh Route... uh... (The one that is near the seabreak path, what was it?!) , And ride left.

In some place there, I found a void section called (Ruin Maniac Cave).

OR

I found a tweaking area in the whole Route that includes the Ruin Maniac Void. It froze there when I ran with a fast gear. It needs repels, though.
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Wish you guys all the best in figuring out how to save in the HoO.

Funny thing, I went to look in the NDS file. (data/fielddata/mapmatrix/map_matrix.narc)

I found a matrix the Hall of Origin is in. It's to the right of Great Marsh Area 6 (wth) and north of the final Ruin Maniac's Cave (the one where Ruin Maniac guy goes "Wow... My digging punched me through to this weird place. I’d say you can thank me for being a Ruin Maniac!"). Or some other direction. But the Hall of Origin is connected to those places. Try the Ruin Maniac Cave. Try going all the way left. And try north as well (not together!) Might not work, I don't know.
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Ruin Maniac Cave void. I know how to enter this very void. It has one safe way. It includes this:

1- Do the Shaymin thing, however, stop when you do the whole 65k steps thingy.

2- When you are in Fake Sinnoh Route... uh... (The one that is near the seabreak path, what was it?!) , And ride left.

In some place there, I found a void section called (Ruin Maniac Cave).

OR

I found a tweaking area in the whole Route that includes the Ruin Maniac Void. It froze there when I ran with a fast gear. It needs repels, though.
Hold on there speedies. 1. We have found an HoO, I have a theory on why it doesn't work, but that is irrelevant. Anyway, 2. I want Zowa to come and check your theory out, because if I remember correctly, he doesn't think your theories work... at all.

Anyway, the Hall of Origin we have found... seems to be Diamond only... Weird, don't you think?

Also, NatureKeeper, in NFS there is an RMC right above Pastoria. However, there are many much closer RMC. Try going to that HoO, trust me.
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Disregard most of what Angelsl says. He's on our forums over at Hall of Origin and thinks he knows everything. He's also apparently 27. Listen to me well, and I stress this:


YOU CANNOT TELL THAT INFORMATION FROM THE .NARC FILES.


He's an idiot that looks around in the .narc's and thinks he found something I haven't. Guys, I've looked through every, EVERY single .narc file. The ONLY way to tell where areas are in regard to each other is to use a tile editor, which would either take a long time to make, or be impossible to make.









Also, I'm about to come up with a formula to find different Hall of Origin's in the void, that anyone can try.
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Disregard most of what Angelsl says. He's on our forums over at Hall of Origin and thinks he knows everything. He's also apparently 27. Listen to me well, and I stress this:


YOU CANNOT TELL THAT INFORMATION FROM THE .NARC FILES.


He's an idiot that looks around in the .narc's and thinks he found something I haven't. Guys, I've looked through every, EVERY single .narc file. The ONLY way to tell where areas are in regard to each other is to use a tile editor, which would either take a long time to make, or be impossible to make.

Also, I'm about to come up with a formula to find different Hall of Origin's in the void, that anyone can try.
I know everything? All this info I got from other people. And I'm not 27.

By the way, looking through every narc file would take years. And the data in the narc files are not plaintext, it's BINARY. You don't expect to see something like

Route 204
-----^
Jubilife City

in the narc file.

If everyone is going to believe Zowayixx, and have a closed mind, so be it, fine by me. He's a tweaking expert. Not a game data/ROM hacking/etc expert.
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Zowayixx I could point at that you can hex edit a narc file and be able to tell what is located where...
I started my hacks via hex...
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Zowayixx I could point at that you can hex edit a narc file and be able to tell what is located where...
I started my hacks via hex...

Outdoor, sure. But not in the Poketch Co. void. I've a bit of hex editing myself, but only little things like mismatched houses and weird textures. Also, don't I know you from Project Pokemon?





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I know everything? All this info I got from other people. And I'm not 27.

By the way, looking through every narc file would take years. And the data in the narc files are not plaintext, it's BINARY. You don't expect to see something like

Route 204
-----^
Jubilife City

in the narc file.

If everyone is going to believe Zowayixx, and have a closed mind, so be it, fine by me. He's a tweaking expert. Not a game data/ROM hacking/etc expert.

1. You act like it, just as you are now. And hey man, I'm just going by what the admins say. They even made me IP trace you because everyone thought you were another Kendrick at our site.

EDIT: Yeah, you're registered as November 17, 1982.



2. Duh, and not really.

3. I'm a tweaking expert and proficient in ROM hacking, also, I use common sense (a thing that seems not to be present that often) and yeah, I do know a good bit about the data, seeing as how I'm a, oh dang, what was it...oh yeah, a ROM hacker.
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Outdoor, sure. But not in the Poketch Co. void. I've a bit of hex editing myself, but only little things like mismatched houses and weird textures. Also, don't I know you from Project Pokemon?








1. You act like it, just as you are now. And hey man, I'm just going by what the admins say. They even made me IP trace you because everyone thought you were another Kendrick at our site.

I'm trying to defend myself, obviously I have to know something. Sorry, I do not know what the speed of light is offhand- you said I knew everything?

EDIT: Yeah, you're registered as November 17, 1982.



2. Duh, and not really.

3. I'm a tweaking expert and proficient in ROM hacking, also, I use common sense (a thing that seems not to be present that often) and yeah, I do know a good bit about the data, seeing as how I'm a, oh dang, what was it...oh yeah, a ROM hacker.

If you were proficient, you would realise that the game would have to get that sort of data somewhere.
Ask the COPPA why I registered as that date. I'm a 'developer' at PP.

In which case, in #3 - have you ever looked in mapmatrix?

I'm just trying to figure out why and how tweaking works - and trying to share my findings. I even said that it might not work. Then you say that there's nothing in the data for that, which I disagree, obviously I defend my position.

I get treated to this.

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Disregard most of what Angelsl says. He's on our forums over at Hall of Origin and thinks he knows everything. He's also apparently 27. Listen to me well, and I stress this:


YOU CANNOT TELL THAT INFORMATION FROM THE .NARC FILES.


He's an idiot that looks around in the .narc's and thinks he found something I haven't. Guys, I've looked through every, EVERY single .narc file. The ONLY way to tell where areas are in regard to each other is to use a tile editor, which would either take a long time to make, or be impossible to make.









Also, I'm about to come up with a formula to find different Hall of Origin's in the void, that anyone can try.
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The closest things I make to assumptions are theories.

And yes, I have. Thanks for asking. We already know why tweaking works and how it works, so thanks, but we already found it out.



But hey, if you think you can, go ahead. Meanwhile, I'll be finding the Hall of Origin.



EDIT: Oh dang, we've strayed from the subject of Tweaking. Gotta get back on topic.

I may explore Jubilife TV sometime.
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The closest things I make to assumptions are theories.

And yes, I have. Thanks for asking. We already know why tweaking works and how it works, so thanks, but we already found it out.



But hey, if you think you can, go ahead. Meanwhile, I'll be finding the Hall of Origin.



EDIT: Oh dang, we've strayed from the subject of Tweaking. Gotta get back on topic.

I may explore Jubilife TV sometime.
"why tweaking works and how it works" - that's my own project, the info I'm trying to help with is other routes to get to the same place.

But hm. I was wrong about the Ruin Maniac's cave to HoO.

Apparantly it's in 2 map_matrix entries. :/ And the one the game seemingly uses is the 2nd one - where it's grouped in with a bunch of maps unrelated to the HoO. Actually I was looking at the wrong map ID. Whoops. But yeah, Maniac Cave does not lead to HoO. Going left, I found Jubilife City. And PokeSav shows my coords are 769/65504/28/1. So yeah..
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"why tweaking works and how it works" - that's my own project, the info I'm trying to help with is other routes to get to the same place.

But hm. I was wrong about the Ruin Maniac's cave to HoO.

Apparantly it's in 2 map_matrix entries. :/ And the one the game seemingly uses is the 2nd one - where it's grouped in with a bunch of maps unrelated to the HoO. Actually I was looking at the wrong map ID. Whoops. But yeah, Maniac Cave does not lead to HoO. Going left, I found Jubilife City. And PokeSav shows my coords are 769/65504/28/1. So yeah..
The void does not use any sort of map matrix, you cannot tell anything based on the data at hand, and I can't say much on this if you are not a VE, but we are currently exploring many HoO's, that is probably a little too much, but still. No one get their hopes up yet.
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The void does not use any sort of map matrix, you cannot tell anything based on the data at hand, and I can't say much on this if you are not a VE, but we are currently exploring many HoO's, that is probably a little too much, but still. No one get their hopes up yet.
"The void does not use any sort of map matrix, you cannot tell anything based on the data at hand" - It uses the same map matrix as if you were in the normal game. What you can do by tweaking you can also is doable by WTW.

If you were able to get into the abyss in main Jubilife City, and go in the direction of Route 204, you probably would reach.. Route 204. Assuming you were in the correct X axis.

Just like how if you tweaked to Newmoon Island, but moved left from there, you would reach Fullmoon. Right? That's all in the data from the game.
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I'm not risking my save file for this :)
If someone wants to do it for me and clone it for me, ill love you <3
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I'm not risking my save file for this :)
If someone wants to do it for me and clone it for me, ill love you <3
It's perfectly safe, just BSoD test the area, and don't use the explorer's kit.

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"The void does not use any sort of map matrix, you cannot tell anything based on the data at hand" - It uses the same map matrix as if you were in the normal game. What you can do by tweaking you can also is doable by WTW.

If you were able to get into the abyss in main Jubilife City, and go in the direction of Route 204, you probably would reach.. Route 204. Assuming you were in the correct X axis.

Just like how if you tweaked to Newmoon Island, but moved left from there, you would reach Fullmoon. Right? That's all in the data from the game.
There is no set map order in the void, it is all VERY RANDOM, I don't know how hard it is to understand apparently, because I got that right away. I know you are trying to help, but you are wrong. The matrix does not apply to the void!
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It's perfectly safe, just BSoD test the area, and don't use the explorer's kit.
Nobody posted how to perform a BSoD test. heh.

Just get the game to re-render the map. i.e open menu and open e.g Bag
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Old December 6th, 2009 (8:37 AM).
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Nobody posted how to perform a BSoD test. heh.

Just get the game to re-render the map. i.e open menu and open e.g Bag
^What he said

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Rules

*Talk only about tweaking.
*This thread is under D\P\Plat section. If you are looking for a thread for HeartGold and SoulSilver, kindly open there. Unless you want to view a similarity after the games' release.
*Do not talk about Action Replay or else I'll have to report offtopic which ain't nice...
*DS, DS lite AND DSiboth work in tweaking, as I tweaked in my DS lite. It was rumored that the DSi may not work because it has higher preformance, but it really does.
I just caught this because I don't look at the first post a lot. NatureKeeper, not to be rude or anything, in fact it is a common mistake, Tweaking=/= Void Exploring, which is what we are all talking about...

Please don't encourage people to open an HG/SS tweaking/Void Thread...

Believe it or not, Action Replays are actually very useful for certain things in the void. Notice "certain things", like... If there were a few areas of the area you want to get to, and only one is saveable, and one of the areas is blocked. You still have to check it right? Unless you go to all the other areas first, which actually would be a pain in the -... neck.

The whole DSi crap is a bunch of bull, I don't know who started that, but I use a DSi, Zowa uses a DSi, it works perfectly fine, and is actually easier to use than the DS lite.
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There is no set map order in the void, it is all VERY RANDOM, I don't know how hard it is to understand apparently, because I got that right away. I know you are trying to help, but you are wrong. The matrix does not apply to the void!

Basically what I said earlier, but more in-depth about the randomness factor. I thought it was just common sense, but yeah. Thanks Dragon.


And Dragon is right. Please refrain from opening a HG/SS tweaking thread at the moment. Even though much is known about it, Nintendo may make a last-ditch effort to fix some of the things that are possible now. And yes, all that is different on DS/DSL/DSi is the graphics and sound processing power. A tweak will work the same way for every console.
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