Middle East Invasion

Started by Mew Ichigo August 21st, 2009 11:55 AM
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Mew Ichigo

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this is cruel .... Im actually living there ..... invading other countries is nothing but leading to destruction and , what if someone decided to invade your country ? would you accept that ?
Sorry if I offended you.
But, yea, I found this decision stupid. I don't know much about this, but they never found Weapons of Mass Destruction, right?
So why wont they leave?

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I didnt get what you said in bold ....
(Im probably wrong, but) Didnt they first invade because their was a rumour that one of the countries has Weapons of Mass Destruction. So they killed the leader, but never found the weapons.

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Well we (as in America) invaded Afghanistan to fight the terrorist group involved with the 9/11 incident. Then misinformation of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq caused us to invade them, even though they had nothing to do with the event that put us in the area in the first place, 9/11.

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Our soldiers are fighting in the Middle East to take down the Taliban, which is something we need to do because the Taliban are really dangerous and they'd get even stronger if we just left them alone. Unfortunately, our troops have killed a lot of innocent people in the process.

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this is cruel .... Im actually living there ..... invading other countries is nothing but leading to destruction and , what if someone decided to invade your country ? would you accept that ?
Strangely ‎enough, ‎Buddhist ‎countries ‎improved ‎when ‎being ‎controlled ‎by ‎CHINA. When your government is controlled by corrupt/just plain stupid politicians, invading isn't such a bad idea in the long term. That's why Iraq was in, and Iran still is in all of this B.S.
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At least some good came of it, and that being the end of Saddam Hussein's cruel regime.

Too bad our military is too inept to properly manage the area once the power void was created. >_>
We also stole all their oil, making gas prices temporarily cheaper. With that amount of time, money, and effort, we could've made researches on solar and electric powered cars.

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We also stole all their oil, making gas prices temporarily cheaper. With that amount of time, money, and effort, we could've made researches on solar and electric powered cars.
You see, it never really made gasoline cheaper. In 1998, gasoline was proportionately as cheap as it was in the early 1960s (based on % of our income spent on it). For reference, I found a receipt from 1998 of my parents from a convenience store and the price per gallon was $0.98, which 10 years later is what we consider cheap (it reached $3.29 per gallon at some stations here last summer [2008], maybe higher, but I'm not sure on that). And any price decline at that time was due to the recovering economy.

Plus, we never really stole their oil, since, if I recall correctly, Saddam Hussein's men had set fire to many the rigs (not sure on that... I know that was the case in the first Gulf War, and wouldn't be surprised if that was repeated in 2003).

Though the false information is concerning, what matters is that we're there and we have to clean up the mess we made. Of course, considering that Iraq and Afghanistan are on either side of Iran, the goal in Iraq may have been intimidation of Iran instead (though that was a thought from left field [meaning random] related more to geography than politics).

With regards to Afghanistan, we probably would be finishing up about now if we hadn't gotten distracted with Iraq. The Taliban did fall very swiftly but swelled up later when we were mostly focused on Iraq.
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At least some good came of it, and that being the end of Saddam Hussein's cruel regime.

Too bad our military is too inept to properly manage the area once the power void was created. >_>
You know, I thought Saddam Hussein being taken out of power was a good thing as well, especially considering that he killed so many people.

But I didn't think about why he killed them.

I was talking to an Iraqi woman the other day, she left Iraq in 96. She thought Saddam Hussein was the best. I asked why, and she responded, "he protected us [Christian minority groups]." All the people causing violence now, killing and driving the ancient Christian community out of Iraq, were being killed by Saddam back when he was in power, therefore keeping the peace.

Because really, peace in the Middle East means having the bigger stick.

That said, Iran needs to be attacked. Iran and Ahmadinejad can't be trusted with nuclear power, especially with Israel nearby - they're in the greatest danger.
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You see, it never really made gasoline cheaper. In 1998, gasoline was proportionately as cheap as it was in the early 1960s (based on % of our income spent on it). For reference, I found a receipt from 1998 of my parents from a convenience store and the price per gallon was $0.98, which 10 years later is what we consider cheap (it reached $3.29 per gallon at some stations here last summer [2008], maybe higher, but I'm not sure on that). And any price decline at that time was due to the recovering economy.

Plus, we never really stole their oil, since, if I recall correctly, Saddam Hussein's men had set fire to many the rigs (not sure on that... I know that was the case in the first Gulf War, and wouldn't be surprised if that was repeated in 2003).

Though the false information is concerning, what matters is that we're there and we have to clean up the mess we made. Of course, considering that Iraq and Afghanistan are on either side of Iran, the goal in Iraq may have been intimidation of Iran instead (though that was a thought from left field [meaning random] related more to geography than politics).

With regards to Afghanistan, we probably would be finishing up about now if we hadn't gotten distracted with Iraq. The Taliban did fall very swiftly but swelled up later when we were mostly focused on Iraq.
Well, it's always much harder to clean up the B.S than to make it. I'll have to check some sources to support your claim, but you don't seem like a liar. I don't find the taliban a major threat whatsoever, because their access to dangerous weapons is very limited. The only major event I can recognize is September 11th, and that was the fault of low security. However, since then, anyone with brown skin and a beard is always checked through "random" security measures in airports. I can recall of other events in Britain, I think, but not as major as they seem. I have a feeling that the Taliban will expand in the Dutch government since they recently handed in their man cards and basically ignored their own Grondwet.

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That said, Iran needs to be attacked. Iran and Ahmadinejad can't be trusted with nuclear power, especially with Israel nearby - they're in the greatest danger.
Iran is a problem.

Semi-Relevant
List of nuclear weapons possessing nations in Iran's range:
Russia
China
India
Pakistan
Israel (probably, but not a certainty)
Syria (accused but not certain)

List of countries with NATO nuclear assistance in range:
Turkey
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I think people are having a misconception here. The majority of the issues within the middle-east is with Israel and Palestine. While the "war on terror" has to do with Afghanistan and Iraq.

The US is backing Israel, but is ultimately trying for peace negotiations, while they are also fronting invasions and general attempted stability in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

The history between Israel and Palestine really sparked right after world war two, but their conflicts have been going on since Bible times.

At one point, Saddam was using ethnic cleansing. And the Taliban used to be in coop with both the US and Soviet Union at one point or another...

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I think people are having a misconception here. The majority of the issues within the middle-east is with Israel and Palestine. While the "war on terror" has to do with Afghanistan and Iraq.
I know the vast majority are related to those two states... however, since the conflict's been going on so long, the issues have become almost like consistent background chatter in regional politics for those not in the region.
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I know the vast majority are related to those two states... however, since the conflict's been going on so long, the issues have become almost like consistent background chatter in regional politics for those not in the region.
Not to mention that the facts etc. is so muddled it is quite confusing on where to begin... It's one of those things, our children's children will read/study about in school, where many thing might have been declassified since then...

After all, there are some pretty touchy subjects on all sides there...

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Not to mention that the facts etc. is so muddled it is quite confusing on where to begin... It's one of those things, our children's children will read/study about in school, where many thing might have been declassified since then...

After all, there are some pretty touchy subjects on all sides there...
Quite a few touchy issues indeed.

If I recall correctly, some of Israel's land was gained through legitimate (meaning non-violent in this case) means (the first Jews to return had actually bought land from the locals pre-WWII, I think). The UN establishing and recognizing the state of Israel in 1947 is probably the event that was the catalyst for most of the conflicts post-WWII in the region.

Back on topic... one of the invasions was for legitimate reasons (flushing out an enemy of the United States) and the other was based on bad intel.
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Quite a few touchy issues indeed.

If I recall correctly, some of Israel's land was gained through legitimate (meaning non-violent in this case) means (the first Jews to return had actually bought land from the locals pre-WWII, I think). The UN establishing and recognizing the state of Israel in 1947 is probably the event that was the catalyst for most of the conflicts post-WWII in the region.

Back on topic... one of the invasions was for legitimate reasons (flushing out an enemy of the United States) and the other was based on bad intel.
T'is as I recall. It is however interesting to note how the media treats this, and the various misconceptions one receives...

People can't really base a judgment though at this point (despite the fact that they do). However of course, researching this topic would take ages, not to mention all the lack of necessary info and intel.

Among other things however, I believe that the corporations (such as GE, Monsanto and The News Corporation), are more than they say they are...

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Among other things however, I believe that the corporations (such as GE, Monsanto and The News Corporation), are more than they say they are...
Now that sounds like a foray into conspiracy theories (though many companies would profit from a war since many have contracts with the military).
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Now that sounds like a foray into conspiracy theories (though many companies would profit from a war since many have contracts with the military).
Some of it isn't really war related, but some of it is even instigated in such a fashion it seems...

It is actually disturbing in what has been done in the past (Watch the movie 'The Corporation' and find out why).

Needless to say, I think as long as we can make the moral high ground decisions that we are in control of, then we would be leading a better life than some of these morally ambiguous people.

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Here's an idea.

Let's actually attack the people who caused 9/11, instead of everyone else in the Middle East.
That statement is a bit generic though, and not much information is known to cast full blame. However, something is fishy on both sides, and no one can deny that...