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Old October 21st, 2009 (1:13 PM).
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Okay, first, I think I've figured out what Giratina really is suppose to represent. As you all know, the other two Legendary that make up the Sinnoh-Dragons, aside from Giratina, are Dilaga and Palkia. Dialga represents Time. Palkia represents Space. Well, the other day in my science class we were reading about gravity, black holes and stuff like that. That's when it hit me! Reading a description on black holes, along with several other paragraphs on similar subjects, three things kept poping up: Space, Time, and Matter! It's very possible, based on the Pokemon Movie (12 I think), that Giratina is the representation of Matter! The Torn World is a mirror of the real world and Giratina guards it. If something is disturbed in the Torn World, it is disturbed in the Real World, so it must represent matter.

On to my second point, I believe that the Legendary Pokemon of the regions (Johto and Hoenn) are based on real-world mythology. Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza are representations of the three Jewish beasts: Leviathan, Behemoth, and Ziz, or Water, Land, and Air. Similarly, Kyogre and Groudon are mortal enemies much like Leviathan and Behemoth. Also, Ziz ceases the fight between Leviathan and Behemoth as Rayquaza does to Kyogre and Groudon. As for Johto, its very simply based on the Japanese myth of the Sun Goddess and the Storm God: Amaterasu and Susanowo. Amaterasu and Ho-Oh both represent the Sun and color and rebirth. Susanawo and Lugia represent storms, and rule over the seas.
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Old October 21st, 2009 (1:32 PM).
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I don't know much on dimensions, but I am fairly sure that whatever happens in the fourth dimension doesn't happen in our third, or vice versa. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong though.

As for the legendary thing...yeah, you basically hit the nail on the head. I don't know about Jewish mythology, but many legendary/mythic animals are actually pokemon. I can't name any off of the top of my head without a shadow of a doubt, but I think that the three beasts are based off of a Japanese myth.
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Must may be too strong a word...Anyways, If you watch Pokemon: Giratina and the Sky Warrior, there are several scenes where what Ash and co. do in the Torn World have an effect on their world (An example is when they accidently pop a bubble showing Brock in the real world, which causes him to be knocked to the ground).

suicune, Raikou and Entei? I wouldn't doubt it, possibly some legend linked to Amaterasu...I think i'm gonna look into this a bit more...
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That's when it hit me! Reading a description on black holes, along with several other paragraphs on similar subjects, three things kept poping up: Space, Time, and Matter!
Wouldn't you mean Anti-matter.Because the REVERSE side of matter would be anti-matter and wouldn't palkia also represent matter because space is made up of matter so giratina must be anti-matter
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It could be possible that Giratina represents Death seeing as when you exit the Distortion world in Platinum she says something along the lines of "this is the place the dead go to cross over". Also another point adding to this theory is Giratina is part ghost type.
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Old October 22nd, 2009 (8:30 AM).
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i thought Giratina was the Only pokemon who could DEFY Time and Space. idk. I also thought Ho-Oh was based off of some Chinese Mythical Creature. i dunno, he does look pretty Chinese to me
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Well I have Platinum and i thought that giratina stood for the other world and without the "shadow" world the other one wouldn't exist. I guess he does stand for black holes etc. but he is a shadow pokemon
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i thought Giratina was the Only pokemon who could DEFY the laws of Time and Space. idk. I also thought Ho-Oh was based off of some Chinese Mythical Creature. i dunno, he does look pretty Chinese to me
woops, i just noticed i forgot to add a detail lol. ill put it in bold
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Yeah, this makes sense, I think your right! :D
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I'm gonna go ahead and say it represents Anti-Matter, like stated further above. Giratina does not represent death because it is the only Pokemon in the Distortion/Torn World. Being part Ghost could simply be GameFreak's idea to making Giratina a type that defies Matter (Ghosts can pass through solid objects).
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Also, black holes distort things, DISTORTION world.
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What about the legendary birds? Regi trio of course is just three kings. Regi = king in latin iirc. And celebi? Onion thing that controls time?
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As for Johto, its very simply based on the Japanese myth of the Sun Goddess and the Storm God: Amaterasu and Susanowo. Amaterasu and Ho-Oh both represent the Sun and color and rebirth. Susanawo and Lugia represent storms, and rule over the seas.
nope, i just got done checking, Ho-Oh heres what bulbapedia says

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Ho-Oh, like Moltres, is based on the legend of the Phoenix; unlike Moltres, it is based on the Fènghuáng (the immortal phoenix of China). Many cultures view the Phoenix as a symbol of resurrection; this is seen in Ho-Oh, which was reborn rising from its own ashes and had a hand in resurrecting Suicune, Raikou and Entei.
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Then what of the explaination for Lugia? Bulbapedia is assuming just as anyone else is. Besides, Lugia and Ho-Oh are polar opposites that once resided in the same place at two opposite towers; Brass and Tin. Reading a passage involving the legend of the Japanese, I found an interesting bit concerning what may have been a reference used in the three legendary dogs creation:

Susanawo offered to Amaterasu his sword, which she cleansed and broke into three pieces. These three pieces became the three new deities.

That's all I can remember though.
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I am pretty sure that Mewtwo is based on the concept of Frankenstien. An unnatural monster that turns on its creators.

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Frankenstein The whole premise of Mewtwo Strikes Back. Scientist creates monster, monster kills scientist. Except it is with Pokemanz and cloning rather than corpses and electricity. The monster also wishes to fit-in, but can't, like Mewtwo. (Note: The monster isn't actually named Frankenstein, the scientist is. It's just called "the monster.")
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I didn't realize that 0.0' Freaky...
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What is the significance of Mew?


Also, if Arceus is the "God of pokemon", how much further could they take the series?
I mean, the legendaries have reached their limit!
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What is the significance of Mew?
Here's something from bulbapedia...

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Mew shares some traits with felines. It is also similar to a vertebrate embryo. It is purported by scientists to be the ancestor of all other Pokémon, a reference to the recapitulation theory.
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Then what of the explaination for Lugia? Bulbapedia is assuming just as anyone else is. Besides, Lugia and Ho-Oh are polar opposites that once resided in the same place at two opposite towers; Brass and Tin. Reading a passage involving the legend of the Japanese, I found an interesting bit concerning what may have been a reference used in the three legendary dogs creation:

Susanawo offered to Amaterasu his sword, which she cleansed and broke into three pieces. These three pieces became the three new deities.

That's all I can remember though.
for lugia it said
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Lugia is based on Ryūjin, a dragon who was the Shinto god of the sea, and lived on the ocean's floor.


that last bit you posted sounds pretty cool
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Zapdos would have to repesent Zeus greek god of lighting then.
But what about articuno
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Zapdos would have to repesent Zeus greek god of lighting then.
But what about articuno
how? i dont really see any connection between them. except for the thunder
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Mew, if you were to compare it, looks very similar to a fetus. Mew is the ancestor to 95% of all exsisting Pokemon.

Arceus is not the 'God' Pokemon. It created, at the most, seven Pokemon; Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Azelf, Mesprit, Uxie, and Mew. Then it disappeared. Im saying it only created those seven because Mew is the ancestor to most Pokemon, so what sense would it make if Arceus simply created all of them?

I still think Lugia and Ho-Oh are representations of Amaterasu and Susanawo, it just makes the most sense to me.

As for Zapdos, I'm quite tired of hearing that Zapdos is the Poke-version of Zeus. If that were true then Zapdos would be a potent deity, not part of a triple who's purpose is nothing more than to be captured (You don't need Zapdos to do anything important and it doesn't serve much purpose). Zapdos simply exsists to exsist, much like Articuno and Moltres.
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Mew, if you were to compare it, looks very similar to a fetus. Mew is the ancestor to 95% of all exsisting Pokemon.

Arceus is not the 'God' Pokemon. It created, at the most, seven Pokemon; Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Azelf, Mesprit, Uxie, and Mew. Then it disappeared. Im saying it only created those seven because Mew is the ancestor to most Pokemon, so what sense would it make if Arceus simply created all of them?

I still think Lugia and Ho-Oh are representations of Amaterasu and Susanawo, it just makes the most sense to me.

As for Zapdos, I'm quite tired of hearing that Zapdos is the Poke-version of Zeus. If that were true then Zapdos would be a potent deity, not part of a triple who's purpose is nothing more than to be captured (You don't need Zapdos to do anything important and it doesn't serve much purpose). Zapdos simply exsists to exsist, much like Articuno and Moltres.
If you say that about Zapdos then that should make the same with all legendaries. I mean sure some of them unlock events but then so do some rare NORMAL pokemon such as the Pikachu-colored pichu. You cannot dismiss the claims about Zapdos just because it has no event unlocked by it.

As for the whole origin of pokemon well they are all based on something from the real world, be it an animal or a legend. And as with a lot of legends in the real world many of them are practically the same. Its the same with religion. A lot of religions are identical but still different. So to be honest the origin of all the legendary pokemon is this: All the myths and legends of the real world, many of them merged and to be taken as the player sees fit.
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Well, Dialga represents Time, the fourth dimension. Palkia is the third dimension. So Giratina could be either the second or the fifth dimension.
However, Dialga and Palkia physically represent dinosaurs, or something similar.
So perhaps Giratina also represents one?

On the OTHER topic, the legendary pokemon could be manifests of the legends in the Pokemon regions.
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Nice theories, just one thing:
Giratina supposedly represents anti-matter, not regular matter. "Spacetime is usually interpreted with space being three-dimensional and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort than the spatial dimensions", which, in short, means Dialga and Palkia together represent matter.

However, Giratina is meant to be the opposite of this, living in a world on the reverse side of ours : "In particle physics, antimatter is the extension of the concept of the antiparticle to matter, where antimatter is composed of antiparticles in the same way that normal matter is composed of particles".

You were right with the members of the weather trio. The part about the Johto legendaries was explained perfectly in earlier posts.

As for the member who questioned about what Celebi was based on, it says on Bulbapedia that "It may be based on a fairy or dryad", with dryads being tree spirits in Greek mythology.
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