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Old November 28th, 2009 (10:20 PM).
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Red has two water Pokemon now. He was awesome with an Espeon. Why did they have to change it? Way to fail Game Freak.

Discuss how Red was better in G/S/C.
1) So what if he has 2 water pokemon hes still strong as hell
2) Gamefreak didnt fail, you just want somthing to whine about
3) Hes better in HG/SS than G/S/C
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Old November 29th, 2009 (3:04 PM).
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1) So what if he has 2 water pokemon hes still strong as hell
2) Gamefreak didnt fail, you just want somthing to whine about
3) Hes better in HG/SS than G/S/C
Maybe the OP is just a really huge Espeon fan and is upset he wont get to battle a high lvl one anymore
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Old November 29th, 2009 (3:44 PM).
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1) So what if he has 2 water pokemon hes still strong as hell
2) Gamefreak didnt fail, you just want somthing to whine about
3) Hes better in HG/SS than G/S/C
No. Way to use the most tired rebuttal in history. I didn't look through all the data I could find about this game until I found something to whine about. I was browsing Red's page on Bulbapedia and I saw the Lapras and I said "wtf".

I'm sure there's something you don't like in the game.
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Old November 29th, 2009 (3:59 PM).
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There are quite a few people who are upset in Red's minor change in his roster, but what was done this time around does make legit sense. For one, with him being found at the peak of Mt. Silver with the hail effect, it gives one of his Pokémon immunity. Not to mention, like in RBY, Red was given a Lapras in Silph Co. so it adds up on how he got on this time. Yes, it's a change, not all may like it, but it is what it is.

For me, I like the change, it actually makes sense unlike some things that get fixed around in a remake. For others, this may differ unfortunately.
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Old December 3rd, 2009 (12:43 PM).
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The lapras makes little difference, sure, there is not a perfect balance, but now his whole team is based of the pokemon he is given in yellow version, plus with the hail at the top of the mountain, and the fact lapras knows blizzard makes it deadly in battle, I still struggled with red, I still think he is really hard and awesome :D
^This. Pretty much /thread, to be honest. Even though Eevee was also a gift pokemon in R/B/Y, Lapras is better equipped for hail. Only thing is, I always thought that last room was INSIDE the mountain. o_O Oh well, it still looks cool, no pun intended. :P

Since this battle is free-level, it really wouldn't make much difference changing movesets/pokes, anyway; at least not to more experienced trainers. It's already a challenge for younger players, in fact, more of a challenge than it was in the originals with the level difference. And really, water/ice has better type coverage than Psychic anyway, but yes, I agree that it's somewhat redundant. I'll go ahead and admit that my first reaction was indeed "wtf", but almost immediately I realized "Oh. Hail-Blizzard combo." No biggie, really. I'm just happy they didn't lower the levels. That would be fail.
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Old December 6th, 2009 (10:58 AM).
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Red is still the awesome trainer he was in the G/S/C games. At first I was annoyed that they got rid of Espeon and replaced it with Lapras, but eh oh well. He's still tough.
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Uhh...seeing as it's meanta be like the protagonist out of R/B/Y/FR/LG, despite a lot of influence from As(s)h(ole), i think Lapras is good, especially with the hail.

Although, if you ask me, he should have Red off the manga's team in a rematch with him, where the levels change (Poli swaps levels with Pika, etc.)

Still, i think we should all be happy that there's an extremely strong in-game trainer to battle (wish you had Gold/Silver/Crystal turn up in LeafGreen and FireRed on Sevii islands).

BUT, what about a Shiny Espeon, wouldn't that be the coolest?
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BUT, what about a Shiny Espeon, wouldn't that be the coolest?
If he had a shiny Espeon it would just upset me and make me want one. I haven't played yet, but I'm excited about Red, I don't care about his lineup I've always looked forward to his "ultimate challenge" considering he is - regardless of lineup changes - the strongest trainer in the game.
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Old December 9th, 2009 (12:57 PM).
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I love red. I don't see a problem with him or his team.

Just appreciate what he's got: he's going to be a challenge no matter what.
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Old December 13th, 2009 (7:08 AM).
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The Lapras makes more sense from the R/B/G, Yellow, and anime perspective. Red supposedly went into hiding (Mt. Silver) shortly after defeating the Elite Four. He wouldn't have kept an Eevee until then without evolving it in Kanto. Lapras, as stated, is also obtained as part of the storyline and is owned by the anime version of the hero. Not to mention, the entire existence of Red is a homage to R/B/G/Y. Espeon on his team never made any sense since it was unobtainable in generation I, which Red is reference to.

Not to mention, I always one-shot Espeon, even with an under-leveled team. Lapras would be a bit more difficult...
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Old December 15th, 2009 (4:38 AM).
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I absolutely agree with Shadow :]
Espeon was much easy in G/S/C and it wasn't a big deal ... i really like his team now in the new remakes ... Lapras makes a great add-in to his Pokémon team.
If you don't like this you can go play G/S/C.
I don't want to be rude or anything ... i just say my opinion :]
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Lapras definitely makes it better.....Espeon had a lackluster moveset
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Old December 15th, 2009 (9:40 PM).
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Red is by far the hardest Rival.

Then Gary I think ?
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Espeon was weak, and I want red to kick my ass before I beat him, fighting easy bosses is always such a letdown.
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Old December 17th, 2009 (6:06 PM).
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The game was much harder since we were all so young. He doesn't suck, in fact he's probably a lot harder (thanks to hail and a suitable roster change) for kids.
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Old December 17th, 2009 (6:30 PM).
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Lol. Me and Typholsion pulled threw with like, 3HP left after Charizard. Beat him with Flamethrower.
WinWinWin.

And I thought he was a challenge, I was sad to see Espeon go too. D:
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Espeon used to be my favorite pokemon -.-
lol... i dont miss him that much though. i can do without him.. for a little.
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He's still strong even without Espeon.Lapras actually made him stronger than Espeon.
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What i have read when i was over in japan a few weeks ago was an article published talking to Game Freak on the HGSS games and came across information that i interpreted (it might not be correct).
(this is not word for word, just an overview.)
What they said is that the final battle was with Red, and that this red was not Ash from the anime (since he was based off of red) but rather that this was the Red from the manga.
where he obtains all the pokemon he has in HGSS in the manga.
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Espeon used Baton Pass...

Assuming Red has no egg moves on the Espeon, players may look forward to CALM MIND or SUBSTITUTE as passed to Lapras.

One should also consider the stats of Espeon before complaining.
Epeon is a SPECIAL ATTACKER. (Spesho!)

A STAB Zen Headbutt is gonna hurt less (probably) than a Psychic.
HIDDEN POWER is also a special attack no matter how much one misses the good old days. Add to HIDDEN POWER at least one CALM MIND boost (+1 SpA & SpDef) and a SAND ATTACK or (the gods forbid) a BATON PASSed DOUBLE TEAM and enjoy your battle against FEAR! (sans Rattata).

But enough of Ess, the Peon.

CALM MIND boosted PIKACHU?
CALM MIND boosted Charizard with a Substitute?
A safe Snorlax because of several saved DOUBLE TEAMS?

I. For one. Am totally primped that Espeon has not tagged along.

Huzzah.
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I hate his team. It doesn't reflect what happened 3 years earlier in FR/LG at all. I don't remember starting out with a Pikachu and all 3 starters in FR/LG, none of that happened. Red's team should only have 1 Kanto starter, and Pikachu shouldn't even be on his team. I mean, come on, it's the final boss of the game, wait, not let me take that back, Red is the final boss of the fourth Generation of Pokemon, and yet he has an extremely weak Pokemon, Pikachu, on his team.

IMO, I would have made his team something like:
Lv87 Aerodactyl / Or some random strong Pokemon that's not Pikachu
Lv85 Espeon
Lv86 Snorlax
Lv86 Poliwrath / Lapras
Lv86 Ninetales / Magmortar
Lv88 Venusaur

And also in FR/LG, your rival had a Kanto starter too, but in HG/SS he had zero. So it seems that HG/SS is having teams based on Yellow version rather than FR/LG to me. That's pretty stupid, because Yellow version is just a stupid fan-service game, and I thought HG/SS are sequels to FR/LG.
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I hate his team. It doesn't reflect what happened 3 years earlier in FR/LG at all. I don't remember starting out with a Pikachu and all 3 starters in FR/LG, none of that happened. Red's team should only have 1 Kanto starter, and Pikachu shouldn't even be on his team. I mean, come on, it's the final boss of the game, wait, not let me take that back, Red is the final boss of the fourth Generation of Pokemon, and yet he has an extremely weak Pokemon, Pikachu, on his team.

IMO, I would have made his team something like:
Lv87 Aerodactyl / Or some random strong Pokemon that's not Pikachu
Lv85 Espeon
Lv86 Snorlax
Lv86 Poliwrath / Lapras
Lv86 Ninetales / Magmortar
Lv88 Venusaur

And also in FR/LG, your rival had a Kanto starter too, but in HG/SS he had zero. So it seems that HG/SS is having teams based on Yellow version rather than FR/LG to me. That's pretty stupid, because Yellow version is just a stupid fan-service game, and I thought HG/SS are sequels to FR/LG.
His pikachu acts as a kamikaze bomb.
If it's faster than you, it will most likely take out a big chunk of your HP, if not all of it, though in the process of killing itself.

They wanted to keep the rival having a starter ambiguous, considering when you played R/B/Y/FR/LG, his team changes depending on what you choose. Perhaps as to not draw crowds of angry fans going "BLUE SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS POKEMON, HE SHOULD HAVE THAT INSTEAD BECAUSE WHEN I PLAYED HE HAD THAT".
And if I recall correctly, the team he has in HG/SS is the same team he had in G/S.

Red has all of the starters to represent that the player could have chosen any three of them. Snorlax represents the roadblocks in Red's story, Lapras represents his defeat of Team Rocket, and Pikachu is there just because he's the mascot of Pokemon which is ambiguous with Red being Pokemon's love child.
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And also in FR/LG, your rival had a Kanto starter too, but in HG/SS he had zero. So it seems that HG/SS is having teams based on Yellow version rather than FR/LG to me. That's pretty stupid, because Yellow version is just a stupid fan-service game, and I thought HG/SS are sequels to FR/LG.
Another reason to having all three starters is that this is the Red from GSC - who was based on Yellow, the most recent main game before GSC where Red had all three starters and Pikachu. (And Snorlax and an Espeon). Looking at the complaints over the lack of a Espeon, imagine what it'd be like if they completely changed Red from GSC's team and replaced another 3 Pokemon, two of them the starters and Pikachu? The 'should be keeping in line with the FR/LG games' is a fair point, but I can see why they kept to a Yellow-esque team - because being the GSC remakes, they decided to keep Red true to his GSC team... well, for the most part. ;P They only went and replaced Espeon for Lapras (a feasible Pokemon for Red to obtain as mentioned before) which arguably is more likely for him to get than Espeon, and suits the whole Hail aspect far more.

That, or Red just likes trading. But I do feel that HG/SS is more a GSC first and foremost remake than a FR/LG sequel, hence Red's team. As for Pikachu... well, this, really:
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Pikachu is there just because he's the mascot of Pokemon which is ambiguous with Red being Pokemon's love child.
More or less, anyways. =P Pikachu is still the main mascot after all, so remain it shall for better or worse. Pity for those who don't like him, but oh well. If you don't like Pikachu, then just take delight in EQ'ing the rodent like I do! =D
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I hate his team. It doesn't reflect what happened 3 years earlier in FR/LG at all. I don't remember starting out with a Pikachu and all 3 starters in FR/LG, none of that happened. Red's team should only have 1 Kanto starter, and Pikachu shouldn't even be on his team. I mean, come on, it's the final boss of the game, wait, not let me take that back, Red is the final boss of the fourth Generation of Pokemon, and yet he has an extremely weak Pokemon, Pikachu, on his team.

IMO, I would have made his team something like:
Lv87 Aerodactyl / Or some random strong Pokemon that's not Pikachu
Lv85 Espeon
Lv86 Snorlax
Lv86 Poliwrath / Lapras
Lv86 Ninetales / Magmortar
Lv88 Venusaur

And also in FR/LG, your rival had a Kanto starter too, but in HG/SS he had zero. So it seems that HG/SS is having teams based on Yellow version rather than FR/LG to me. That's pretty stupid, because Yellow version is just a stupid fan-service game, and I thought HG/SS are sequels to FR/LG.
The game is a remake of G/S/C. It says that everywhere. Not once, have I heard it say that the game was a sequel to FR/LG. Red's team is based on his G/S/C team which are Pokémon obtainable in Yellow. He starts off with a Pikachu which won't evolve. He quickly obtains Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle. Lapras is obtained at Silph Co. (Espeon was only there to include a G/S/C Pokémon, but it isn't obtainable in Yellow.) Snorlax is obtainable in two places in the game. That's why Red has those Pokémon. Also, Pikachu is like Red's signature Pokémon. Just because that's not the team you would use in the game, doesn't mean everyone else shares the same opinion. It would actually be the worst decision ever to replace Pikachu, Blastoise and Charizard. Especially with Pokémon like Magmortar which has no significance whatsoever. This is why you are not making the Pokémon games.
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