Ever wondered..?

Started by s l u g November 26th, 2009 11:09 PM
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s l u g

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Have you ever wondered about the universe? What made it possible.how it was formed? Of
course, religion has explained for centuries the intricacies of creation. And as always,
science has decided to find its own answer to that question. But just to think have you ever thought how even the universe came into existence..? i mean was there space from the beginning..? how did space form what was the reason..? what if nothing was there..? how did God itself come into existence..? ( pardon me God ) ugh* so many doubts, what are your takes..?

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I highly doubt this question will ever be *totally* answered by religious, empirical, or philosophical means:p It is quite facsinating, isn't it? Something must always have been. Idk though.

I do believe in the whole dark matter spheal though, and believe it accounts for most of this tangible stuff in the universe.

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I'd say, because we are mortal (finite if you want too), it makes us harder to understand that which is immortal (or infinite).

Of course this won't limit our ability to find out. But for all that has been said and done (thus far), I really do appreciate the beauty of space (if that was what we were talking about specifically).

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The Universe's span is too far and too great for us to ever find out how it came to be, really. There's so many mystery's in Space that are yet to be found, and some that probably never will be found.

I don't believe in God being some person sitting up in the sky, and how he supposedly made the world in seven days, then took a rest. I'd rather believe in the Big Bang theory, which at least has some logic towards it. I do, however, believe in God as a force of energy, if you call it, that was so powerful people gave it a name. And that energy created planets, etc.

And I'm not bagging people and their religions, just the way I see things.
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This is truly an interesting question.. I have really wondered that too. dunno maybe it was all white???
Just saying it probably wouldn't have been white - white is the mixture of all colours of light, and if there was nothing then light wouldn't be there, making it black. But of course that brings into perspective the "if no one could see it then was it actually a certain colour at all" thing, so I won't go there. That, AND I'm probably wrong.

Yeah, it's hard to think something just happened out of nowhere to cause the universe. It's hard to comprehend that it just happened - as in, what happened before that? It's hard to imagine that there was nothing.

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I think we will never know about the beginning of the universe. After there was time, there was no beginning/end, just a constant pattern.


I mean how could we know how the universe began? But I'm guessing after it "began" there was chaos, until it became more organized chaos.



But I think it's pointless pondering too long about the subject, why not just say "the universe is, was, and always will be, so i'm just going to try and live my life happy."
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I think about this sort of thing all the time, it makes my head hurt. I mean how can the universe just explode into existence? What did it explode into? The thing that confuses me most is what's outside the universe, because if space is black, and the universe is apparently beige, what is like out there? Assuming "there" exists.
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Perhaps one of the greater barriers (that I'm reading here as well), is that we tend to associate a physical thing with something we don't understand. Like the need for the universe to be black or white.

It is very hard for us to imagine nothingness, but suppose it were true, that there was nothingness...

That is to say, there was no space, no lack of space, just nothing, no colour or anything, then there was the universe (then go from there).

Philosophically speaking however it is slightly more simple to understand.
I have wondered this and I get very confused by it too. One thing about space that I don't understand is how it can go on forever.

I've heard people say that space continues expanding everyday. What is it expanding into though? How can something be getting bigger into nothing. Where does all this endless space end. I just can't imagine something going on forever because everything I've ever seen has an end.
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Have you ever wondered about the universe?
Yes. Yes I have.

What made it possible.how it was formed?
Space is the word we use for nothingness. Nothingness is the thing that is there when something is not made.
So to ask how space was formed is to ask how nothingness is there if a thing is not made.
Therefore, it can never be made. It's what there was all the time.
So I hope that answers your question.

And as for what made it possible, my answer is God.
If you want to bring the Big Bang theory in, then have it your way. But I'll just remind you that it's a mere theory, and was never proved.
Moreover, even I believe that a Big Bang could be behind all of this, but even that is the work of God.

what if nothing was there..?
Refer to my thought above. Space is nothing. So you are correct about this assumption.

how did God itself come into existence..?
God was there from the beginning. It's just that human mind cannot think of anything outside of the limitation of the laws of physics normally, and so we tend to think like that.
God is who made something called time. Therefore, God was there before time itself existed.
I know its another thing that boggles people's mind to think about time itself not existing just like space, but in the end you just need that different type of imagination.

Surprising how Nintendo used these two things to create two Legendary Pokemon, lol.

It is very hard for us to imagine nothingness, but suppose it were true, that there was nothingness...
As far as I know, in places in space there really is nothing. How could it be hard to imagine when it already exists.
Even the knowledge of non-existence itself actually exists.

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Who hasn't pondered theories of our existence, your questions are some what in a general sense and hitting on religious themes etc. so I'm just going to go through all my beliefs and give you an insight of how I think this world and universe works. So, I've written something before, I'll just spill it back out, then add some more fresh views. All my life, I've criticized this world, I've analyzed what it is and what it will become. The more I think, the more I try to comprehend, the more knowledge I yearn to know, the more I feel that we're not looking in the right direction. What I mean is, whatever we were born to do, we're not doing. We weren't born to live a life, die and hope some God will let us continue to form our legacy. We were born for something else, something we have yet to discover. There is something out there, or possibly something within ourselves. The human race has been around thousands of years, the Earthly race has been here for millions. How much did the world advance in the millions of years before us? Not very much at all.

Instinct and survival were born with the first beings of this planet. Whether or not beings were to be created or not, is beyond me. It very well be a mistake. The world was as it was, something among something on a much bigger scale; the universe. Millions of years past before humans were born, and in the thousands of years we've been here, the world has changed drastically. Take the world as if it is an orange, this orange takes a little time to become ripe. Eventually fungus begins to grow, and you have a new life eating away at the orange, causing it to wither and die. Now take this orange and imagine it to be the world, and the fungus, as us, human beings, animals, amphibians and all that there is that has a heartbeat. We're destroying this planet. Every day innocent lives are lost, violence and emotions rape this world and all that is in it. We've riddled it with wars, we've disfigured it with greed and the desire for things we want. Morality is dead. We no longer do anything for the benefit of anyone else, that is assuming that at one point we in fact did. Everything we do eventually falls back on us, we do things for others in hope that we will receive good karma, that in the long run it will please the soul. But where has that lead us?

We're slowly heading for extinction. Power, money, greed, desire, four things that control this world. There's no denying everyone of us falls into one of those categories. So why do we strive for these things? We strive for them because we no little else. We know not what we are here for, if we don't ever find out what we need to do, we will become a blip in the history of all that there is.

We either die in dignity or we die as failures, that is how the world will see us, how the future will see us. We're building an empire of human emotion when really, there should be something else we should do. What is the outcome of this thinking? Religion, we seek the answers of our existence and we look to religion. Yet when you think about it, who really created Religion? Humans. We did. We have no other intervention as to what may have caused us to believe in these things, religious beliefs are created by people who seek answers, not people who believe in some God. God is symbolism for the answers, this was some how lost among years of transition.

Religion was created by humans, believed by humans, misinterpreted by humans. There's a reason no one knows what god is, no one knows the answer, because God is the answer, God is what we're all searching for, yet it isn't what we think it is. God is no being. It is answers, the word God or the idea of God is symbolism for those answers. So what do we do? Something we wont. All hope is lost for this race, so we might as well tear this world from limb to limb and finish what started out as a search for meaning. We're doing this by feeding our greed, by following our desires, and not what we were set out to do. Who gave us this task? We'll find out when we find our answers.

Now, for more of a fresh view. I've studied philosophy for a while now and I know the view of several renound philosophers. A man named Socrates, a Greek philosopher, whom inspired many others as well as taught the great Plato. Socrates was concerned with the question of ethics; right & wrong, good and evil, justice and injustice. He moved philosophy beyond the reflections of the natural world and closer to the more supernatural if you will, or the non physical state of the world. Socrates believed that the soul had to be cared for, and this could be done by gaining wisdom - knowing what was good led to good things.


Now, this led to much deeper philosophy and theories about the universe, and even my own theories, so moving closer to my point, I will speak of Plato. Plato believed that we could find the answers of this planet through our own minds. He believed that there are two worlds. There is our world that we see each and every day, the materialistic one, the one that is filled with emotion and desire. Then, you have the world of ideas, the one in which our soul lives in. He believed that our soul contains all the knowledge we could ever want yet, we only take parts of this knowledge when we follow the way in which our soul leads us. If you take the idea that there are two parts two us, dualism, there is our physical state which is motivated by desires and emotions, we do what feels good in this state.



Then you take the lesser physical state, the state that is the mind and soul. The mind and soul are trying to lead us closer to the right direction, as a charioteer as such, however, the physical state is being distracted by the day to day things that we enjoy rather than doing what the soul feels it should be. The more we follow the soul, the more we learn about the world and what is in it and even answers to how it came about. Basically, Plato believed that true intellect could only be found through the intellect, the mind. The senses could not be trusted. His theory of ideas proved that there are pure, unchangeable ideas which human beings may forget but can be understood through the use of intellect. In his parable of the cave, Plato explains his theory of ideas through allegory. These are some Plato's many beliefs.


Now, where do I come into all this? Well, I too believe that there is a spiritual world, one in which guides many things in which happen in this universe, I think people are naive to believe that there is only what you see. The Humanist tradition has many many great points form men such as Karl Marx & Albert Camus. They view that the world can only be looked at as science or from an empirical view. I think there is many truths to thins, but many humanists say that we cannot study what is not there. Makes sense, yes, great sense, however, they believe that what you cannot see is not there. I think this is what let's the entire humanist view down; they think there is nothing more than what we see. They break everything down to it's final particle, saying that humans are made of skin and bones and to the furthest filter; atoms, and nothing more. This empirical study in my opinion is extremely naive and I feel they are missing out on many key elements of this universe.


From a religious point of view (really don't want to get into too much depth here due to the touchy subject), I think it's somewhat naive also. Many religions have great points and state why this world came into being. But they do just that, they state why rather than stating how. Science and religion work hand in hand from this point of view as science states how where as religion states why. In saying that though, I have already criticized science in saying that it is naive in thinking there is only what you see, and if it cannot be explained then in cannot be. If I could refer back to Socrates, he believed that there should be a general consensus in all beliefs, that one truth for one person, cannot be a different truth for another as it does contradict. I would agree with this in saying that religions contrast far to much in belief for one to be right and another to be wrong.


If religion is the key to learning all of life's answers then I would not say that we will figure it out with 5 major religions each containing thousands of branches and denominations as well as there being further hundreds of other minor religions. There would need to be one general belief proven to be correct to be correct, rather than having several truths believed to be the right path to the right answer. This is a general view on the subject not taking into account other people's views, but that is my own.


If I'm to state my views on how the world and entire universe came into being, I would have an agnostic belief in saying that we cannot know.

Cosmology states that the "Big Bang" created this universe over 18 billion years ago with a big explosion and that the "Expanding Universe" theory states that the universe is expanding all the time. Well, I would say that it is a good theory, however, humanists would say that you cannot study what is not there, and scientists carry on the belief in saying so, but how could they come up with a theory that cannot be based on anything but what we see when we cannot see what was there before?
If I was to summarize my points and state my beliefs (which is pretty difficult) I would say that religion is too indecisive to hold the answers and science would be too naive in saying that you cannot study what is not there and what we cannot see is not real. I would believe more in philosophy and it's beliefs. In saying that, I've always said that "All generalizations are false", therefore, I cannot say what is true. No one can. I doubt as humans, we ever will, we're a blip in the history of this universe, one that is barely a second long within a century. We'll most likely be extinct before we find out answers. With a less pessimistic view, I would say; if humans learned to use their minds, they would find answers. Other than that. I have nothing else I can explain.

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Even if the universe was just white (which it couldn't have been, since white is a mixture of all colours of light like Eliminator Jr stated) , something would still be there.
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*snip*
I almost tl;dr'd, but then I didn't. You bring up a lot of the things I usually think in regards to this type of question. All I can say is, think for yourself and do what feels right (not necessarily good).

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Well, they're actually (they being the scientists) are trying to figure out how, and they've developed a gigantor machine to try to figure it out. What it does is it crashes two protons together really hard, and they're basically trying to make a universe within a universe... I do wonder if that'll work, and how it actually happened, myself. All the time, in fact.
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Well, they're actually (they being the scientists) are trying to figure out how, and they've developed a gigantor machine to try to figure it out. What it does is it crashes two protons together really hard, and they're basically trying to make a universe within a universe... I do wonder if that'll work, and how it actually happened, myself. All the time, in fact.

It is called "high-energy physics," not an attempt to play God.

They are not trying to recreate a universe, they are trying the recapitulate the conditions in the early universe. The Large Hadron Collider would accelerate each proton at 7 TeVs (tera electron volts) resulting in a 14 TeV collision. Of course, for most people here TeV doesn't mean anything, but it corresponds to a unit of energy (or mass). Since temperature is directly proportional to kinetic energy of a (ideal) gas, electron volts can be used as a unit of temperature too. The conversion is 1.16e4 K (Kelvin) per electron volt. So we get 1.16e4 K/eV * 7e12 ev ~ 8e16 K (which is much hotter than the core of the sun which is 1.5e7 K). This corresponds to the electroweak epoch which ended 1e-12 seconds after the big bang. During this period, atoms did not exist, nor did neutrons or protons; it was too hot for quarks to come together via the strong force, so they existed as as deconfined quarks.

As a note for my notion with numbers:
(6.27e6 = 6,270,000)
(1.5e4 = 15,000)

Here are the relevant wiki articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_volt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_epoch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_epoch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature#Theoretical_foundation