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Old January 30th, 2010 (5:25 PM).
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Aside from Whitney, Clair is also a challenging battle. And let's not forget the battle with Red.

RSE had harder Gyms. Brawly can be a pain even if you have a Taillow or Ralts. Winona isn't very fun but the hardest RSE Gym Leader has to be Tate & Liza.

Though I'll admit DPPt did have a challenging Elite Four but it either just barely falls short of or is on par with the difficulty of the RBYFRLG League.
Clair was probably just as easy as Whitney, since you can teach buy the Ice Punch TM. I beat Clair with just Kadabra, Ice Punch her Dragonairs and Psychic her Kingdra. She was so easy I was disappointed that she was the final Gym Leader in Johto. I'll admit Red was a bit harder but not too difficult with a good strategy.

Why would you use Tailow and Ralts on Brawly. His Pokemon obviously have high attack and those two low defense. The best strategy against Brawly is with Kadabra since its High Special Attack will completely own Brawly. Of course you can use your starter since they all have decent defense for that point of the game. Winoa was the hardest by far. Tate and Liza were insanely easy, get the super rod, catch two Sharpedos and teach them surf. Now go spam surf at Tate and Liza.

R/B/Y's Elite 4 were way too easy, it was a lot like 'I have a Dragonite, I automatically win".
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To me none of the regions sucked, but all regions has their own flaws. I actually liked DPP, well platinum more than DP.

Platinum fixed the problems that were in DP and added some new features to the sinnoh region
kudos to GameFreak and the Pokemon Company.

The main reason that I have some love for DPPt is the landmass. Snow, did any of the previous games have snow? I dont think so. Even though the blizzard got on my nerves but I found it to be quite interesting.

Im gonna state this like I did with the RSE thread. DPPt introduced features that most of the pokemon fans loved, and if it wasnt for DPPt there would be no heartgold or soulsilver, or a 5th generation. So be very careful when you say that one of the regions sucked. And again yes DPPt had its flaws, but its not the worst of all generations.
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Woah, woah, woah; hold on... You hate this Gen a lot and we should respect your opinion, but there are some things to start with:

1) The 4th Gen Pokemon are the most rush and uncreative
I must admit that many Sinnoh's were weird-looking... Prinplup, Probopass, Lickylicky, Tangrowth... but there are some awesome ones: Gallade, Manaphy, Arceus, Chingling, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Piplup, etc.
2) The Physical-Special split
You aren't a competitive battler, are you?
3) The story line with Team Galactic and such was too over the top
You're 100% right on this one. Well, sorta. Because Every. F******. Villian. from Pokémon games sucks. Team Rocket? Money. Magma and Aqua? Biological Terrorists. Actually, those are the only acceptable villians... Team Galactic? Weirdos. Sucked... the only true "villian" I've seen on the whole Pokémon series is Molly. Do you remember her, from Pokémon 3 (The Unown Movie)?
Ambition is Rocket's, Magma's, Aqua's and Galactic's motivation. Molly's unique, she doesn't want money nor a new world or the like. She is motivated by anger, sadness, frustration. Now that's what I call a bad guy (girl in this case). I'd love to see a bad guy/girl like her on 5th gen. But oh well... at least that's a good idea to put in my future hack xD.
4) The Gym Leaders and E4 were way too easy
As almost every person on this thread has said; it depends on whenever you train or not.
5) The Sinnoh region doesn't have many Water routes
This is personal tastes, I hated water routes. I was glad they're gone now.

Also, I don't remember who, but someone said on this topic that "every generation has it's own faults" . Now that and the Molly thing are the best things ever said in this topic. Period.
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Woah, woah, woah; hold on... You hate this Gen a lot and we should respect your opinion, but there are some things to start with:

1) The 4th Gen Pokemon are the most rush and uncreative
I must admit that many Sinnoh's were weird-looking... Prinplup, Probopass, Lickylicky, Tangrowth... but there are some awesome ones: Gallade, Manaphy, Arceus, Chingling, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Piplup, etc.
2) The Physical-Special split
You aren't a competitive battler, are you?
3) The story line with Team Galactic and such was too over the top
You're 100% right on this one. Well, sorta. Because Every. F******. Villian. from Pokémon games sucks. Team Rocket? Money. Magma and Aqua? Biological Terrorists. Actually, those are the only acceptable villians... Team Galactic? Weirdos. Sucked... the only true "villian" I've seen on the whole Pokémon series is Molly. Do you remember her, from Pokémon 3 (The Unown Movie)?
Ambition is Rocket's, Magma's, Aqua's and Galactic's motivation. Molly's unique, she doesn't want money nor a new world or the like. She is motivated by anger, sadness, frustration. Now that's what I call a bad guy (girl in this case). I'd love to see a bad guy/girl like her on 5th gen. But oh well... at least that's a good idea to put in my future hack xD.
4) The Gym Leaders and E4 were way too easy
As almost every person on this thread has said; it depends on whenever you train or not.
5) The Sinnoh region doesn't have many Water routes
This is personal tastes, I hated water routes. I was glad they're gone now.

Also, I don't remember who, but someone said on this topic that "every generation has it's own faults" . Now that and the Molly thing are the best things ever said in this topic. Period.
Aww poor Molly. xD I remember her...

I remember the Water Routes being sort of a good thing in RSE... am I the only one who thinks this?
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This is just my opinion if you disagree state why so.

Reasons DPPt sucked:
1) The 4th Gen Pokemon are the most rush and uncreative
2) The Physical-Special split
3) The story line with Team Galactic and such was too over the top
4) The Gym Leaders and E4 were way too easy
5) The Sinnoh region doesn't have many Water routes
I would actually dissagree.
My Favourite Gen is n fact Gen IV/Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.
Gym leaders are actaully quite challenging in Platinum but I do agree with you in D/P they are a bit too easy..
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Woah, woah, woah; hold on... You hate this Gen a lot and we should respect your opinion, but there are some things to start with:

1) The 4th Gen Pokemon are the most rush and uncreative
I must admit that many Sinnoh's were weird-looking... Prinplup, Probopass, Lickylicky, Tangrowth... but there are some awesome ones: Gallade, Manaphy, Arceus, Chingling, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Piplup, etc.
2) The Physical-Special split
You aren't a competitive battler, are you?
3) The story line with Team Galactic and such was too over the top
You're 100% right on this one. Well, sorta. Because Every. F******. Villian. from Pokémon games sucks. Team Rocket? Money. Magma and Aqua? Biological Terrorists. Actually, those are the only acceptable villians... Team Galactic? Weirdos. Sucked... the only true "villian" I've seen on the whole Pokémon series is Molly. Do you remember her, from Pokémon 3 (The Unown Movie)?
Ambition is Rocket's, Magma's, Aqua's and Galactic's motivation. Molly's unique, she doesn't want money nor a new world or the like. She is motivated by anger, sadness, frustration. Now that's what I call a bad guy (girl in this case). I'd love to see a bad guy/girl like her on 5th gen. But oh well... at least that's a good idea to put in my future hack xD.
4) The Gym Leaders and E4 were way too easy
As almost every person on this thread has said; it depends on whenever you train or not.
5) The Sinnoh region doesn't have many Water routes
This is personal tastes, I hated water routes. I was glad they're gone now.

Also, I don't remember who, but someone said on this topic that "every generation has it's own faults" . Now that and the Molly thing are the best things ever said in this topic. Period.
Yes I do battle competitively frequently. The 3rd Gen metagame was the most balanced but that's besides the point.

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Molly yassssssssss Molly slays the garls!!!
Her and 1st movie Mewtwo are the scariest Pokemon villians.
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Yes I do battle competitively frequently. The 3rd Gen metagame was the most balanced but that's besides the point.
It added the most ubers of any generation and it had the lowest percentage of OUs (even more so than the unbalanced first generation).
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1) The 4th Gen Pokemon are the most rush and uncreative
I must admit that many Sinnoh's were weird-looking... Prinplup, Probopass, Lickylicky, Tangrowth... but there are some awesome ones: Gallade, Manaphy, Arceus, Chingling, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Piplup, etc.
uncreative you say? They are actually getting more creative with the pokemon designs. Nobody wouldve guessed that a pokemon would be based off of God (points to arceus), a monkey with golden armor and its head is on fire (points to infernape), and a turtle with a tree on its back!

IMO this is the most creative generation so far!
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I remember the Water Routes being sort of a good thing in RSE... am I the only one who thinks this?
xDD no your not alone, I actualy liked the water routes, the diving is the best part and the surf theme is unbelievable
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It added the most ubers of any generation and it had the lowest percentage of OUs (even more so than the unbalanced first generation).
Naw 4th Gen is when the crapload of Ubers came through.
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Gen III added Deoxys-N, Deoxys-A, Deoxys-D, Deoxys-S, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Wobbuffet and Wynaut. And removed Celebi.

Gen IV added Arceus, Darkrai, Dialga, Garchomp, Giratina-A, Giratina-O, Manaphy, Palkia and Shaymin-S. And removed Latias.

That's 14 (+15 and -1) for Gen III and 8 (+9 an -1) for Gen IV. Or 11 (+12 and -1) for Gen III and 7 (+8 an -1) for Gen IV if you don't count forme changes.
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1. While this has certainly been my least favorite generation as far as new Pokemon go, uncreative they certainly are not. Besides for the obligatory clones (Pachirisu, Starly, Bidoof, Kricketot, and the like), and the unimpressive, if welcome, addition of a ton of evolutions for pokemon like Sneasel, Electabuzz, Magmar, and Roselia that shine during the midgame but are outclassed by fully evolved pokemon like Charizard, Alakazam or Aggron, this generation brought a breath of fresh air into the relatively stale Pokemon environment as of generation III. Beedrill and Combee are both bees, but they're very different and you wouldn't mistake the two, like you might, perhaps, Pidgey and Starly. There are also really creative, unexpected ones like Croagunk and Drifloon. (As a side note, is anyone else kind of frustrated that yet again, two of the starters feel rehashed? Props for Infernape, but, starting from Gen I, we have a dino (Bulbasaur), turtle (Squirtle), and lizard (Charmander). Then we get a dino (Chikorita), a "mouse"/dino (Cyndaquil, although Typhlosion's really the only one that fits the dino bill), and a lizard (Totodile). Gen III gives us yet another lizard (Treecko), a chicken (Torchic), and a ...mudfish? Looks like a dino to me (Swampert). Gen IV, another turtle, another chicken, and a monkey. At least we get a monkey.)
What really disappointed me about Generation IV was the legendaries. Put simply, I find them hideously ugly. Except for perhaps Shaymin, who's an inoffensive little hedgehog. Really, I feel like there hasn't been a really great legendary since GSC, which provided a limited, but creative and fun batch of legendaries. Sure, Mewtwo was weird, and I wasn't crazy about Lugia, but the legendary birds and the legendary dogs are a lot of fun. Celebi and Ho-oh are two of my favorite because of their connection with real myths (heh, oxymoron).
But Arceus? Dialga? Giratina? PALKIA? They make me want to reach for the brain bleach. A creative generation, to be sure, but -especially when it comes to the legendaries- unsuccessful with regards to the Pokemon themselves.
2. This is what I've been waiting for for ten years! Crunch was special. Shadow Ball was physical.
...what
3. I've never liked any of the subsequent teams after Team Rocket. One mafia's enough for me. Four's pushing it. It's mostly prejudice, really, but aside from that, the stories get more and more outlandish. Gen III was pushing it. Causing worldwide drought or endless rainstorms? That's a little crazy already, even with some willing suspension of disbelief, but Team Galactic jumps the shark.
4. Easy Elite Four? I think appropriately challenging is more accurate. I've never thought that any games had excessively difficult trainers, and Generation IV continues a trend of relatively well-planned difficulty. Only Generation II was completely a joke, and only Red presents any real challenge (and even then, he's not really that hard: I've done an Umbreon solo run at level 70 and I beat him on the first try...). The only truly challenging Pokemon game I've played is probably Shiny Gold X, and it is quite difficult.
5. I HATE WATER ROUTES.
I NEVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER TENTACOOL IN MY LIFE.

I'll always have a soft spot for Johto, but Sinnoh's okay. Certainly beats Hoenn, and I'd place it about on par with Kanto. I do wish cities would have a little more character, though, like in Hoenn.
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Personally, I would say they suck mainly because of their atrocious slowness, a 4th generation game played at 200% is about as fast as any other Pokemon game played at normal speed. To be honest, if they were just a bit faster, I would probably not call them the worst generation, since they also had some very good points. The speed ruins it though.
Gen 4 was inexplicably slow, but I don't think it was all that slow; I mean look at Platinum. It's improved the speed drastically at some points. Battles in DP are just intolerable now.
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Naw 4th Gen is when the crapload of Ubers came through.
Really? You should ask an experienced battler if 4th gen increased the use of them. Otherwise you have no place to say this at all.
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As a side note, is anyone else kind of frustrated that yet again, two of the starters feel rehashed? Props for Infernape, but, starting from Gen I, we have a dino (Bulbasaur), turtle (Squirtle), and lizard (Charmander). Then we get a dino (Chikorita), a "mouse"/dino (Cyndaquil, although Typhlosion's really the only one that fits the dino bill), and a lizard (Totodile). Gen III gives us yet another lizard (Treecko), a chicken (Torchic), and a ...mudfish? Looks like a dino to me (Swampert). Gen IV, another turtle, another chicken, and a monkey. At least we get a monkey.
They seem somewhat repeats to me, but not in the way you're saying it. You compared Swampert to Bulbasaur and Turtwig to Squirtle. Turtwig is more like Bulbasaur for a start. None of the Gen II starters were rehashes. Chikorita mayhave a little similarity to Bulbasaur in that they're both Grass and four-legged.

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3. I've never liked any of the subsequent teams after Team Rocket. One mafia's enough for me. Four's pushing it. It's mostly prejudice, really, but aside from that, the stories get more and more outlandish. Gen III was pushing it. Causing worldwide drought or endless rainstorms? That's a little crazy already, even with some willing suspension of disbelief, but Team Galactic jumps the shark.
Team Magma and Aqua's weird goals were more jumping the shark. Team Galactic was growing the beard.

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4. Easy Elite Four? I think appropriately challenging is more accurate. I've never thought that any games had excessively difficult trainers, and Generation IV continues a trend of relatively well-planned difficulty. Only Generation II was completely a joke, and only Red presents any real challenge (and even then, he's not really that hard: I've done an Umbreon solo run at level 70 and I beat him on the first try...). The only truly challenging Pokemon game I've played is probably Shiny Gold X, and it is quite difficult.
Here, here. Although solo runs are usually a bit easier than a full team of six after the appropriate grinding at the start. Johto's bad level curvemay affect that though.
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Team Magma and Aqua's weird goals were more jumping the shark. Team Galactic was growing the beard.
DPt's plot really does scream "this is the power of this legendary Pokémon", and at least the goal was steady and made sense. Cyrus was nuts - he certainly has more destructive goals than Giovanni.
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My opinion is that some of the Pokemon aren't so great
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As a side note, is anyone else kind of frustrated that yet again, two of the starters feel rehashed? Props for Infernape, but, starting from Gen I, we have a dino (Bulbasaur), turtle (Squirtle), and lizard (Charmander). Then we get a dino (Chikorita), a "mouse"/dino (Cyndaquil, although Typhlosion's really the only one that fits the dino bill), and a lizard (Totodile). Gen III gives us yet another lizard (Treecko), a chicken (Torchic), and a ...mudfish? Looks like a dino to me (Swampert). Gen IV, another turtle, another chicken, and a monkey. At least we get a monkey.)
Aren't you being a bit too vague there? I'd hardly call a Salamander or a Dragon the same thing as a Gecko. Sure Salamanders and Dragons fit into the lizard family slightly but that doesn't mean they're the same animal. Quite far from it. Also I think Typhlosion is meant to be a Wolverine. It's more like you put the Pokemon that you don't know and classed them as Dinosaurs. Also Mudkip is an Axolotl not a Mudfish, it has no resemblance to a Mudfish what so ever other than the name. Piplup is so obviously a penguin not a chicken, there's like no comparison. Again with the lizard thing, start calling Totodile a crocodile or alligator at worst. Lizard is just too vague for them. Squirtle you see is a sea turtle so that's why it's a water type, however Turtwig is a land turtle so it's a grass type and later becomes a Grass and Ground type.
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the 4th generation is a joke in regard to the new pokemon such as :

infernape, looks horrible and is a try hard version of blaziken.
magmortar and electirive, nintendo should of left it at magmar and electabuzz, they were great pokemon untill these two came along.
the pixies they call 'legendaries'
also the 4th generation by itself has 14 legendary pokemon, over half of them are a joke and are worthless, legendarys just arent the same no more.


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Remember: In the 3rd Gen, Shadow Ball was considered PHYSICAL.

... They fixed that, and loads of other moves, in the 4th Gen. They're fixing the logic here, people!
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I find it to be the worst generation of Pokemon, but some people overreact way too much towards it. As a general Pokemon game, it's good. As a sequel to previous Pokemon games, it's not.
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This is just my opinion if you disagree state why so.

Reasons DPPt sucked:
1) The 4th Gen Pokemon are the most rush and uncreative
2) The Physical-Special split
3) The story line with Team Galactic and such was too over the top
4) The Gym Leaders and E4 were way too easy
5) The Sinnoh region doesn't have many Water routes
1 - The Pokemon in DPPt aren't the most creative, I will agree with that. Although that doesn't matter much to me, I still like them.

2 - The Physical - Special split is the best thing that has happened in Pokemon games.

3 - The storyline with Team Galactic was great. If the story line was too mellow, you'd be complaining about that.

4 - The Gym Leaders and E4 were easy if you trained Pokemon that made defeating them easy.

5 - I'm tired of hearing about this one. IMO, the Hoenn region had so many water routes because of Kyogre and so many ground routes because of Groudon. Same thing with Johto, you needed that large water route for Lugia and the Whirl Islands. Sinnoh however, is designed around Mount Coronet. There are plenty of water routes in the region especially in the Survival, Resort and Fight areas.
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1. They are kinda uncreative... but keep in mind that the majority of the species on our planet have at least 5 other species that look identical to it.
2. I completely disagree with you... the physical-special split actually follows logic!
3. It's not even the storyline that appalls me (I've seen worse, believe it or not), it's the fact that they don't even know how to dress like a criminal organization.
4. That's just because there are so many trainers that you can battle continuously, and the routes are very long. This gen is by far the largest in terms of distance traveled.
5. That's just your personal preference.
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the split of physical and special moves is the most clever idea, i think. it's really weird that high att gyarados can do little damage from Bite, and high sp att but low att espeon can do great damage still from Bite
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1) Garchomp was awesome. As was Lucario. Same with Rotom. There are many cool Gen IV pokemon, if I start naming the all, it'd take a lot of time.

2) Best change ever happened to Pokemon.

3) Galactic were cool, that Distortion World stuff was awesome.

4) Did you use AR or trained like an addict? G/S/C leaders were a joke compared to D/P/Pt. Whitney can easily beaten with a Machop, and Ice Punch > Clair. And, tbh Barry > Red.

5) That's actually good. I always thought that floods keep coming in Hoenn. I was really happy to find out D/P/Pt had less water routes. Haven't you played FR/LG? In FR/LG, there was only one water route, the one which is goes from Pallet Town to Cinnabar Island and ends at Fuchsia City. Same with G/S/C, they had the water route of Ecruteak to Mahogany, which wasn't even compulsary to go in, the water route of Olivine to Cianbar, and the tiny one of New Bark Town-Tohjo falls.
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Lol, I don't think it was the worst of all the generations, but personally I don't consider them the best by any means. R/S/E were by far the worst in my book, for the horrible Pokemon (most of them) and the horrible places (most of them, as there are always an exception to the rule.) and Team Aqua/Magma made me want to scream in rage. I didn't like them.

I actually liked a lot about D/P/Pt... I just didn't like it enough to buy each one and play through it three different times like I am going to with HG/SS. <3 There were some good things and some bad. That's how all games are.
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