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Old February 2nd, 2010 (1:39 PM).
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I read that it was kind of like Minesweeper. Minesweeper rocks! But didn't they have a card flipping game in the original GSC?
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Old February 2nd, 2010 (2:13 PM). Edited February 2nd, 2010 by Team Rocket's Raichu.
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FINALLY THEY GOT RID OF THOSE GODDAMN SLOT MACHINES!!!!!

I could never get money from it. *shrugs*
Anyway Minesweeper sounds more fun anyway! :D

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Ignoring most of the bullcrap you just pulled in your post, exactly how will ROM hacking help? People buy the retail game, and they expect certain features to be there. ROM hacking isn't relevant at all because if it's not there in the first place, do you think everyone who wanted the Game Corner is going to rely on ROM hacking to get it back?
Well the thing is if it's NOT still in the game hidden somewhere they could hex edit VoltorbSweeper out and copy the hex of the slots into the game, and then buy a flash card and play it on that.

I don't know. If you want the slots so much learn Japanese and play those games Anthony.
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I think its down to Nintendo's localisation tactics, I remember hearing Pokemon EU and US had merged (cant seem to find the news article, but it was on Bulbapedia), so hearing the problem regarding the european release, they decided during the localisation process that both regions will receive the same game. I dont think ESRB has changed any of its criteria for its rating.

Also, Moltres, it does matter to us. Alot of us want the game as it was originally envisioned, not diluted through regional differences. According to my PEGI survey sheet, all they really needed to do was change the rewards so that the Game Corner is not the sole method of obtaining certain things.
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I love minesweeper. This is a great idea.
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At least they added a alternative, however it won't effect me. I don't use them anyways.
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Yeah, so much for a remake, huh? Also, what demonmike said below your post. You realise that for many, "learn Japanese and play those games" is a non-option? Don't use your opinion mixed with fact and use it to discount opinions like this.
I know Anthony, but I don't see the big deal on the slots. They are difficult. Normally I like a challenge, but I never figured out how to play them, and I don't like the idea of gambling in a kids game. Whatever though.
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I know Anthony, but I don't see the big deal on the slots. They are difficult. Normally I like a challenge, but I never figured out how to play them, and I don't like the idea of gambling in a kids game. Whatever though.
Difficulty is subjective. Also, there is no difficulty in such a game (Well, you never know, considering I never did find out whether the rumours of different slot machines in Generation I & II had varying odds of a jackpot), hence the nature of gambling.

Actually, just realised there is a knack to influencing your chances of winning, and that's timing. But like I said, difficulty is subjective. One man's trash is another's treasure, surely the variance in opinion here some what understands the deal with some of us?
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I can't really find myself too concerned about them taking out the Game Corner really. I never actually used it that often in any of the games in the series. If it wasn't for this topic, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. Besides, it actually makes sense in a real world way, the Pokemon world's laws and the like are a reflection of our own and, as far as I'm aware, anyone under 18 years old isn't allowed in a casino, and we all know that the playable trainers of Pokemon are underage.

However, didn't they include gambling games in the US & European releases of Super Mario 64 DS and New Super Mario Bros?
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But I liked the slots. >:

I suppose as long as I can still just buy the coins to get prizes it doesn't really matter, I could just play Diamond's slots.
But seriously.. Minesweeper? Ugh.
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I'm still a little upset that the card-flipping game wasn't included in the game... And now I learn this...

Damn them... just damn them.
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I sucked with the slots, but without it being in the game (in which it was a significant part from Kanto, correct?) This sorta-kinda pisses me off. They shouldn't make too many changes to the original. x__x
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I can't really find myself too concerned about them taking out the Game Corner really. I never actually used it that often in any of the games in the series. If it wasn't for this topic, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. Besides, it actually makes sense in a real world way, the Pokemon world's laws and the like are a reflection of our own and, as far as I'm aware, anyone under 18 years old isn't allowed in a casino, and we all know that the playable trainers of Pokemon are underage.
I'm finally old enough to do this (I'll be 20 this month), and now it's gone........................oh well. XD (I never gambled in the originals either. Didn't want to risk losing coins.) At least GF replaced it with something else instead of having nothing there at all.
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Old February 3rd, 2010 (12:54 AM). Edited February 3rd, 2010 by Perri Lightfoot.
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Sheesh, what is so evil about playing slot machines that they'd have to be cut from this game in the first place? Maybe it's just becasue I live in Las Vegas and am used to seeing slots everywhere from the airport to the 7-11 and even in the supermarket; but there are so many worse things we could be worrying about as a society than if someone wants to feed a twenty to a Game King and play a few spins. Just because some people don't know when to stop doesn't mean the option to gamble should be taken away from everybody...that, and I'm pretty sure most people are able to seperate fantasy from reality and not associate a virtual slot game that can be somewhat manipulated by the player (a good sense of timing will help you win at the Game Corner) to a real slot machine; which requires no more skill than to push a button to bet and then to push a button to start the wheels turning, and is won solely and completely on if you happen to be playing when the machine is ready to pay out.

Argh...it's just...it's stupid. Everyone should be annoyed by this; regardless of whether or not you actually played or liked the slots. The issue here isn't really the slots for me (not just for the reasons I already stated above, but also because virtual gambling is a better way to channel your addictive impulses, if you have some, than feeding your paycheck to a real slot machine), it's the fact that these games are being censored. I understand that there seems to be some sort of legal reason for the slot censorship in Europe (not that it's fair, but if it's against the letter of the law than they really have no choice), but to censor it EVERYWHERE outside Japan? If it's fine for Japanese people, including Japanese children (take heed of that, ESRB), to play in a full-fledged Game Corner, than why can't we? It's better to get a Minesweeper ripoff than not being able to do anything more than talk to a slot and get a few coins left in the bottom there each day, yes, but we shouldn't have to get the Minesweeper ripoff at all. This anal level of Nintendo game censorship should be left back in the 80's and early 90's where it flourished (not that it was right then, either - can you say Street Fighter II? Or, to keep to first-party games, Earthbound?) - surely we're more progressive than this? Not to mention that we've been able to play the darn Pokemon slots since 1998 with no problems or issues from the censors; if gambling was such a problem, why are they only coming out of the woodwork now, 12 years too late? >.> It's not like all those kids who played Red and Blue back in the day are now sitting before the slots down on the Strip feeding the machines their last dollar. >.> Even if they have to change an NPC's text to ramble on about how slots can be addictive and to play responsibility in order to get the games to stay, than fine...it would be a bit obnoxious, but I'd prefer that to having them removed completely.

Drat it all. This is just as stupid as the censorship the reprints of the Pokemon Adventures manga have been getting; apparently we're not allowed to see jokes about groping and boobs anymore; when they were just fine back in the 90's. Kids are going to grow up so sheltered if parents nowadays want to protect them from every last thing that could possibly be a little offcolor...

tl;dr - people are stupid and I'm pissed off that game censorship is apparently back in vogue.
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Drat it all. This is just as stupid as the censorship the reprints of the Pokemon Adventures manga have been getting; apparently we're not allowed to see jokes about groping and boobs anymore; when they were just fine back in the 90's. Kids are going to grow up so sheltered if parents nowadays want to protect them from every last thing that could possibly be a little offcolor...
You think they would block off all that sexual reference stuff in Pop music instead of this, come on. How are people going to know that Blue tricked someone by shoving Pokeballs in her shirt to give herself some D Cups?
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In principle I find this just as objectionable as everyone else, but... this new game sounds much more entertaining than the slots.
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Actually, by the description of the game it sounds more like a variation of Nonogram rather than a variation of minesweeper.
Basically, I support this change because Nonograms are my favorite logic puzzles, and I almost never got coins out of the slots (Which was very frustrating).
Like the guy before me said, in principle it is objectionable, but practically this change will make the game more fun for me due to the reasons I stated above.
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Why did you mention Europe and Australia in your first post? Australia has never had this censorship before. And as such every main series Pokemon game has been PG13+ (or G8+ (as opposed to simply G), before PG was applied to games as well as movies).

While it is censorship, Minesweeper sure is a lot better than slot machines.

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You think they would block off all that sexual reference stuff in Pop music instead of this, come on. How are people going to know that Blue tricked someone by shoving Pokeballs in her shirt to give herself some D Cups?
Nintendo don't need to do that stuff in order for a G rating. Nintendo isn't censorshipping to protect 'little kiddies', they're doing it so they'll buy it.

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If it's fine for Japanese people, including Japanese children (take heed of that, ESRB), to play in a full-fledged Game Corner, than why can't we?
There's a technicality in Japan. If the prize exchange is in a different building to the slot machines, it's not gambling. That's why you use coins, not money and why there's always a separate building for prize exchange.

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Not just for the reasons I already stated above, but also because virtual gambling is a better way to channel your addictive impulses, if you have some, than feeding your paycheck to a real slot machine.
Problem gambling is the addiction to the thrill. I doubt gambling in Pokemon has nearly the same thrill value as real gambling.
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There's a technicality in Japan. If the prize exchange is in a different building to the slot machines, it's not gambling. That's why you use coins, not money and why there's always a separate building for prize exchange.
Actually... In the Goldenrod Game Corner, the Prize Exchange was in the same building*, so your argument really isn't valid.

*I haven't seen the HGSS Game Corner, so I may be mistaken.*
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JUST BE GLAD WE EVEN HAVE THE GAME CORNER

Besides, if you don't like it, don't play it. Nothing in the gamne says you HAVE to play the Game Corner. =/ .. right?
...Has it ever occured to you that I, you know, like the slots? What then? Besides, we're beyond the days of altering/removing things from games when released outside of Japan.
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Why did you mention Europe and Australia in your first post? Australia has never had this censorship before. And as such every main series Pokemon game has been PG13+ (or G8+ (as opposed to simply G), before PG was applied to games as well as movies).
Because it was likely that Australia would have had the same censorship as Europe with HG/SS thanks to some previous info... mainly the fact Platinum had a G8+ rating specifically for the gambling in it (cough -_-), but with HGSS the rating was back to G, which suggested maybe they were suddenly ok with gambling...or they just took out the slots. Then some pre-release picture indicated the possibility that the Australian version was the same as the European one which were said to have no slots beforehand (basically a box was named 'box 1' in Spanish suggesting a European save files was used for screenshots and that hence the two region's games were the same) - hence me mentioning Australia. (And hey, it turned out to be the case!...only it turns out it's censored for everyone, not just us).

*adds in annoyance about censorship* Lol and while this goes on Lady Gaga sings about 'disco sticks' (cough the second) on daytime radio. Gotta love the world, no? Yay double standards and over-the-top 'protection' if you can call it that. =/ Necessary for Nintendo though to avoid potential bad blood with whingers and rating groups though, bah.
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Actually... In the Goldenrod Game Corner, the Prize Exchange was in the same building*, so your argument really isn't valid.

*I haven't seen the HGSS Game Corner, so I may be mistaken.*
Same deal for HGSS, or leastways the Goldenrod one.
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Well, I'm not sure how that works exactly. But gambling is illegal in Japan, so yeah...
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Oh, and if anyone is still iffy on a fansite giving info, you can rest your fears about that.
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=14990 Talks about the Voltorb Flip game and all. (Apparently they say it's awesome).

I'm amused though that they made this article a day after serebii.net XD
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Oh, and if anyone is still iffy on a fansite giving info, you can rest your fears about that.
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=14990 Talks about the Voltorb Flip game and all. (Apparently they say it's awesome).

I'm amused though that they made this article a day after serebii.net XD
Haha, of course the official Nintendo magazine will praise it, not sure if its changed it recent years, but I stopped buying it when I realised "Hey..every first party title is 90% and gets Star of the month".. I miss the old NOM..
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"Hey..every first party title is 90% and gets Star of the month"
And that's different to other Nintendo magazines how? XD
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