Pokemon's ratings go up. Somehow.

Started by Vernikova February 19th, 2010 9:14 AM
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Cartoon Network’s Saturday morning action powerhouse block CRUSHZONE (6:30-9:30 a.m.) also proved popular with kids and boys 9-14. Compared to last year, kids 9-14 average delivery (291,000) grew by 5% and boys 9-14 delivery (244,000) grew by 8%. Pokémon Battle Galactica (7 a.m.) scored as the most popular individual program, earning 50% delivery growth among kids 9-14 (328,000) and 63% growth among boys 9-14 (261,000).
TVByTheNumbers

Bear with me the misspelling of the show and that it mentions the long dead CrushZone block.

So even at 7AM EST it's still gaining in ratings somehow. No thanks to the people who watch the episodes on YouTube of course.
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I guess these figures laugh at the nostalgic nay-sayers who say that the anime's popularity has been constantly falling since the 'golden age' of the anime
5 years ago, when network television still had saturday morning cartoons, that might be true. But the move to Cartoon Network is almost genius. Network teleivison has been eliminating their kids program, so stations like Nicholodeon and Cartoon Network allow the same shows to focus on their audience, and can be shown at almost any time.
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To bad this WILL NOT stop mentally retarded Cartoon Network from treating it like CRAP. Which is BS, BTW...

>:-(
Cartoon Network has given it a solid time slot and shows re-runs throughout the week. They also debut movies and show movies and do marathons of shows during some weekends too.

How are they treating it badly?
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You live in Europe; you don't matter.

I know someone is going to bitch so I'll clear up the above statement. You don't matter ratings-wise in America.

Cartoon Network has given it a solid time slot and shows re-runs throughout the week. They also debut movies and show movies and do marathons of shows during some weekends too.
Premieres at 7AM EST and then an encore at 7:30AM EST on Saturday and Sunday respectively are good time slots? Those are death slots.

I guess these figures laugh at the nostalgic nay-sayers who say that the anime's popularity has been constantly falling since the 'golden age' of the anime
The ratings are good for 7AM but not that good overall due to that slot.

CARTOON NETWORK 2.1/10 Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battle 1.1/11; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.2/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.9/11; Star Wars: Clone Wars 2.1/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.6/11; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Chowder 2.6/11; Chowder 2.6/11; Garfield Show 2.2/10; Garfield Show 2.1/10

CARTOON NETWORK 2.0/10 Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battle 1.1/12; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.1/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.6/10; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.8/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.5/11; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.0/8; Chowder 2.3/10; Chowder 2.6/11; Garfield Show 2.1/9; Garfield Show 2.2/10
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There is no way I would get up at 7am to watch it, nothing can motivate me enough to do such a thing.
I have cartoonnetwork east and west, so i can watch it at 7:00 and again at 10:00 (or sometime around there). But i usually watch it at 10:00 cause i can't get up to watch it either XD


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I guess these figures laugh at the nostalgic nay-sayers who say that the anime's popularity has been constantly falling since the 'golden age' of the anime
Actually, the only way those so-called "nostalgic naysayers" can quit saying that is if the ratings actually exceeded Johto rather than, you know, sink even further below than that same season. I know in Japan, the Japanese ratings of Johto were, like, 8.8. With DP, they're at best 6.5, if not even lower than that. I won't be surprised if they even sank lower than the Battle Pike episode (which was apparently the lowest rated AG episode, and at the time the lowest rated episode ever.). I know a few things about marketing and advertising (other than the fact that I watched a few TV shows that ended up being killed off due to ratings loss and desperate measures [like West Wing], I also have an Aunt who works in the advertisement business and an Uncle who teaches marketing/advertisement skills in UNC of Chapel Hill.), and even going by the figures posted on here, I think it's pretty evident that it is sinking quite a bit in popularity (I'm pretty sure that it'd be closer to 8.8 if it had truly got a boost in popularity. I'm not saying that it should be closer to Kanto (I know that's not likely), I'm just saying that if they want to be considered truly popular to the fanbase, the ratings need to exceed Johto, as apparently it's considered the worst season by the populace (not that I think it was bad, but still.)
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It doesn't matter how many people watch it.

It matters who watches it.

The reason the Superbowl is great for advertisers isn't because of the 30 million random socermoms, wives, girlfriends, and hipsters watching it "ironically" are all watching it. It's because almost every 18-49 year old male (the age demo with the most disposable income) is watching it, the same show, at the same time.

Likewise, if 20 millioin people watched Pokemon, it would get canned if kids didn't watch it. And as the article points out, viewership is actually increasing.

Anyway, anyone who thinks Pokemon is doing poorly is nothing short of delusional.
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It doesn't matter how many people watch it.

It matters who watches it.

The reason the Superbowl is great for advertisers isn't because of the 30 million random socermoms, wives, girlfriends, and hipsters watching it "ironically" are all watching it. It's because almost every 18-49 year old male (the age demo with the most disposable income) is watching it, the same show, at the same time.

Likewise, if 20 millioin people watched Pokemon, it would get canned if kids didn't watch it. And as the article points out, viewership is actually increasing.

Anyway, anyone who thinks Pokemon is doing poorly is nothing short of delusional.
I was thinking of kids, more or less, seeing how 2.1 million kids is still far too small compared to Johto. To me, at least, it would be more like 8.9 million kids watching it in order for it to truly be getting out of the rut that it is currently in. Unless it can do that, it can never truly become more popular.

And I'm definitely not delusional. I wouldn't even be in a college right now if I were. In fact, if I were, I wouldn't even have access to a computer (As mental asylums usually keep their patients locked up in a padded cell.)

PS, I specifically stated that it needs to rise above Johto's ratings because according to what is apparently the majority of the fanbase on here (not necessarily me or other Misty fans, but still), Johto was the worst season. It hasn't got anything to do with nostalgia at all as much as trying to exceed the reputed worst saga by the fanbase (even though I never even saw anything wrong with it.).
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It doesn't matter how many people watch it, it matters who participates in Nielsen ratings system, a terrible system in the first place.

Anyway, Johto was the worst saga. It's just that it was airing when Pokémon was still popular and thus many people watched it. It's not that hard to figure out. Actually, I'll look up of some of Johto's ratings at some point since it shouldn't be too hard to find.
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Anyway, Johto was the worst saga. It's just that it was airing when Pokémon was still popular and thus many people watched it.
Speak for yourself! Actually for me and other my friends Johto was the best, because of fun, humor, good storyline and less commercial stuff like stupid Pokeathlon, Rangers or unnecessary Johto Festival in DP saga. Just because you hate Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same.

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Premieres at 7AM EST and then an encore at 7:30AM EST on Saturday and Sunday respectively are good time slots? Those are death slots.
^^^YES.

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Before I proceed, I don't see how 7am slots are bad. Networks give death slots (on network television, that's usually prime time 7pm-10pm on Friday) in an effort to get declining ratings so they can cancel a show.

But 7am for a show aimed at hyperactive little kids hopped up on ADD meds and sugary cereal? I had NO trouble getting up that early. My parents hated me for it. You put on a kids show too late in the day, then you risk airing it when many are doing extracurricular activites or during family time.

I could be wrong, but 7-8am slots doesn't seem too bad, or at least not a death slot, for a show aimed at kids.

I was thinking of kids, more or less, seeing how 2.1 million kids is still far too small compared to Johto. To me, at least, it would be more like 8.9 million kids watching it in order for it to truly be getting out of the rut that it is currently in. Unless it can do that, it can never truly become more popular.
First off, where are these numbers coming from?

Remember, Pokemon outside of Japan was still in it's Fad status where it was everywhere. In movie theaters, lunch boxes, t-shirts, etc...

Also, again, it doesn't matter how many total watch it, but core demos.

Also, THE SHOW IS 10+ YEARS OLD. It's incredibly unrealistic to expect a show to maintain it's same success year after year after year. Network standards change. Look at other long running shows like ER. ER was never in danger of getting canned, but the # of people dropped. 33million tuned into season 1 finale, whereas about 16 million people tuned into it's final episode 15 years later. (link)

And I'm definitely not delusional. I wouldn't even be in a college right now if I were. In fact, if I were, I wouldn't even have access to a computer (As mental asylums usually keep their patients locked up in a padded cell.)
FIGURE OF SPEECH

Look it up.

It doesn't matter how many people watch it, it matters who participates in Nielsen ratings system, a terrible system in the first place.
Really? Why do you say that? Advertisers seem happy relying on their numbers. And with the upgrade to installed boxes rather than using hand-written notebooks, it's easier to track them now more than ever.

Speak for yourself! Actually for me and other my friends Johto was the best, because of fun, humor, good storyline and less commercial stuff like stupid Pokeathlon, Rangers or unnecessary Johto Festival in DP saga. Just because you hate Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same.
Less commerical stuff?

lol

You do know the entire point of the anime is to promote the franchise. You can't get much more blatant than Pokemon. Where every Pokedex looks pretty similar to the current generation of the Game Boy or DS. The games themselves usually start in the player's bedroom which has a NES/SNES/Wii/whatever.

Must have missed those parts.
Just because you and your friends love Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same..
Those who love Johto are far and few. Even among the people who think Pokemon (everything, not just anime) sucks after Gen II hate Johto. You want a saga where you can easily skip 90% of the episodes and not miss anything, including evolutions, go ahead. Heracross stayed around for what, 12 episodes?

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I just have to say that I'm really appreciating this debate. I'm actually learning some things about ratings and such.

And as far as 7AM being a deathslot...not for their target audience. I remember back when I was younger waking up at the crack of dawn to catch Saturday cartoons and the same on the school days.

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Must have missed those parts.
Just because you and your friends love Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same..
I just said why I like Johto. I didn't say that everyone must.

Less commerical stuff?

lol

You do know the entire point of the anime is to promote the franchise. You can't get much more blatant than Pokemon. Where every Pokedex looks pretty similar to the current generation of the Game Boy or DS. The games themselves usually start in the player's bedroom which has a NES/SNES/Wii/whatever.
Lol. I know. But DP has this too much. It's not funny seeing unnecessary Johto stuff (like Pokeathlon and Festival) introducing in Sinnoh saga. Just because Pokemon Company wants to make more money. This is pathetic.

Those who love Johto are far and few.
Any proof or something?

You want a saga where you can easily skip 90% of the episodes and not miss anything, including evolutions, go ahead. Heracross stayed around for what, 12 episodes?
I would rather like to see tons of Johto fillers, than one whole episode focused on learning one stupid attack, or whole episodes when one pokemon is preparing to evolution.
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Lol. I know. But DP has this too much. It's not funny seeing unnecessary Johto stuff (like Pokeathlon and Festival) introducing in Sinnoh saga. Just because Pokemon Company wants to make more money. This is pathetic.
So what? Johto's time in the anime promoted Johto features. Sinnoh's time in the anime promotes Sinnoh features. They're both doing the same thing. Why does Johto get praise for it and Sinnoh is blamed for it?

Any proof or something?
Obviously there's no polling done on something so trivial. But even among the nostalgia crazy fans in threads on here and SPPF, they admit that Johto fillers* are pointless and boring, and the region as a whole has little character development and most of it can easily be skipped. A great way to see this is the Pokemon themselves:

Kanto Starters: Still on the team in Johto. All of them pretty much have to be plot-deviced out because Ash basically wouldn't use the others before these guys.
Heracross: Was in the party for something like 12 or 13 episodes. When he finished with Tauros for like, 5 minutes of one episode, Ash sends Tauros back but doesn't re-call Heracross.
Johto starters: One evolution to it's middle form. And even though Bulbasaur and Squirtle never evolved, they still learned powerful moves such as Hydro Pump and Solarbeam. None of the Johto starters learn anything nearly as powerful. Bayleef comes closest with Body Slam, and that isn't even a grass type attack.

**Fillers are not necessarily synonymous with bad episodes. Bad episodes are subjective. A filler is an episode that can otherwise be skipped since it doesn't contain any advancements of the overall plot. And fillers will happen in any region. But when there's so many of them, it means Pokemon don't learn moves or aren't captured, and characters lag in development. Hence why Johto's massive amount of filler is bad.

I would rather like to see tons of Johto fillers, than one whole episode focused on learning one stupid attack, or whole episodes when one pokemon is preparing to evolution.
That's nice? I mean, when I watch Pokemon, I want Pokemon to evolve and learn new attacks. That rarely happened in Johto.
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Before I proceed, I don't see how 7am slots are bad. Networks give death slots (on network television, that's usually prime time 7pm-10pm on Friday) in an effort to get declining ratings so they can cancel a show.

But 7am for a show aimed at hyperactive little kids hopped up on ADD meds and sugary cereal? I had NO trouble getting up that early. My parents hated me for it. You put on a kids show too late in the day, then you risk airing it when many are doing extracurricular activites or during family time.

I could be wrong, but 7-8am slots doesn't seem too bad, or at least not a death slot, for a show aimed at kids.
And as far as 7AM being a deathslot...not for their target audience. I remember back when I was younger waking up at the crack of dawn to catch Saturday cartoons and the same on the school days.
It's a death slot these days. All cartoons from Disney, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney XD (It's in far fewer homes though), and the CW4Kids air in those time slots are the lowest rated programming on their blocks. Especially true in Pokémon's case. Before the move to 7AM EST (The last three updates before), the next two updates after it moved, and the last two ratings reports:

Spoiler:

10-10-09

CARTOON NETWORK 1.7/9Avg. (7a-1p)
Chaotic 1.2/11; Bakugan 1.7/11; The Super Hero Squad Show 1.7/9; Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 2.3/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 1.9/8; Batman: Brave & The Bold 1.8/7; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.8/8; Ben 10: Alien Force 2.2/10; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.2/6; Johnny Test 1.9/9; Johnny Test 1.8/8

10-17-09

CARTOON NETWORK 1.4/7Avg. (7a-1p)
Secret Saturdays 0.9/12; Chaotic 0.9/9; Bakugan 1.3/8; The Super Hero Squad Show 1.4/7; Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 1.9/8; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 1.5/6; Batman: Brave & The Bold 1.8/7; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.7/7; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.7/7; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.1/5; Johnny Test 1.3/6; Johnny Test 1.2/6

10-24-09

CARTOON NETWORK 1.7/8Avg. (7a-1p)
Secret Saturdays 1.0/12; Chaotic 1.2/10; Bakugan 2.0/12; The Super Hero Squad Show 2.0/10; Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 2.5/11; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 1.8/7; Batman: Brave & The Bold 2.1/9; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.9/7; Ben 10: Alien Force 2.1/9; Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds 1.0/4; Johnny Test 1.3/6; Johnny Test 1.8/9


10-31-09

CARTOON NETWORK 2.0/10Avg. (7a-1p)
Secret Saturdays 0.8/8; Chaotic 0.8/6; Bakugan 1.8/11; The Super Hero Squad Show 2.0/10; Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 2.4/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.1/8; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.5/6; Bugs Bunny Howl-O-Ween 1.7/7; Ed, Edd N Eddy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (60-minutes) 2.8/12; Scary Godmother: Halloween Special (60-minutes) 2.9/14

11-7-09

CARTOON NETWORK 1.6/7Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 1.0/9; Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds 1.3/8; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.9/10; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.7/8; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.0/8; Flapjack 1.5/5; Flapjack 1.2/5; Chowder 1.5/6; Chowder 1.6/8; Johnny Test 1.9/9; Ed, Edd N Eddy 1.7/9; Ed, Edd N Eddy 1.6/9

11-14-09

CARTOON NETWORK 2.2/10Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 1.2/11; Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds 1.4/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 2.7/14; Star Wars: Clone Wars 2.4/11; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.9/11; Flapjack 2.3/9; Flapjack 2.8/12; Chowder 2.5/11; Chowder 1.8/8; Garfield Show 1.9/9; Garfield Show 2.1/10

1-23-10

CARTOON NETWORK 2.0/10Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battle 1.1/12; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.1/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.6/10; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.8/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.5/11; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.0/8; Chowder 2.3/10; Chowder 2.6/11; Garfield Show 2.1/9; Garfield Show 2.2/10

2-1-10

CARTOON NETWORK 2.1/10 Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battle 1.1/11; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.2/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.9/11; Star Wars: Clone Wars 2.1/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.6/11; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Chowder 2.6/11; Chowder 2.6/11; Garfield Show 2.2/10; Garfield Show 2.1/10


Nickelodeon, Disney XD, and Disney just for good measure and if you're interested:

Spoiler:

2-1-10

NICKELODEON 5.6/27 Avg. (7a-1p)
All Grown Up 1.9/19; Jimmy Neutron 3.0/22; Fairly OddParents 4.3/25; Fairly OddParents 5.6/27; SpongeBob SquarePants 7.3/33; SpongeBob SquarePants 8.1/34; Penguins of Madagascar 7.7/31; Fanboy & Chum Chum 6.6/26; Back at the Barnyard 5.8/24; Fairly OddParents 5.2/21; iCarly 6.4/28; Big Time Rush 5.5/25

DISNEY CHANNEL
1.9/9Avg. (7a-1p)
My Friends Tigger & Pooh 1.3/13; Chuggington 1.8/13; Special Agent Oso 1.6/9; Handy Manny 1.7/8; Mickey Mouse Clubhouse 1.7/8; Mickey Mouse Clubhouse 1.7/7; Imagination Movers 1.7/7; Handy many 1.5/6; Phineas and Ferb 2.6/11; Phineas and Ferb 3.0/12; Get A Clue (1x95) 2.2/10

DISNEY XD 0.6/3Avg. (7a-1p)
Suite Life of Zack & Cody 0.4/4; I'm In The Band 0.6/5; Phineas and Ferb 0.9/5; Kid vs. Kat 0.7/4; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.8/3; Kid vs. Kat 0.7/3; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.5/2; Kid vs. Kat 0.8/3; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.7/3; Kid vs. Kat 0.6/3; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.5/2; Kid vs. Kat 0.5/2


As well as 2 members of local "power" force 4:

Spoiler:

CW (TheCW4Kids) 0.9/4 Avg. (7a-12p)
Winx Club 0.2/2; Winx Club 0.5/4; Dinosaur King 0.6/3; Dinosaur King 0.8/4; Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/4; Yu-Gi-Oh 1.1/5; Sonic X 1.3/5; Sonic X 1.2/5; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1.1/4; Chaotic 1.0/4


CBS (CookieJarTV)
0.4/2 Avg. (7-10a/10a-12p)
Busytown Mysteries 0.4/4; Noonbory and the Super 7 0.4/3; Busytown Mysteries 0.4/2; Busytown Mysteries 0.4/2; Noonbory and the Super 7 0.4/2; Sabrina: Animated Series 0.6/2


How Nielsen ratings are determined.. Run through the tabs.

Or:

Spoiler:

People Meter
The People Meter is an electronic metering system placed in randomly selected households – 5,000 households for nationwide audience measurement. The meter measures three things – the tuning station of the TV set (on, off, time), what channel/station is being tuned, and who is watching. The People Meter is used to produce household and persons audience estimates for broadcast and cable networks and nationally distributed barter-syndicated programs.

Who is watching television is measured by the "People" part of the meter. A fixed box is placed on or near the television, and each member of the household is assigned a personal viewing button (often, a remote clicker is also personalized). These personal buttons, allow Nielsen Media Research to determine "who" is watching which program.

Set-Tuning Meter
In 49 of the nation’s largest markets, an electronic metering system is
used by Nielsen Media Research to provide set-tuning information on a daily basis. The TV-set-tuning information is collected from a sample of homes in these 49 markets (separate than the People Meter), and overnight household tuning ratings are reported on a daily basis for these local areas. This meter is placed onto the back of each television set in the home and monitors the tuning status of each TV set in the household.

Diary
Diary measurement is used to collect viewing information from sample homes in every television market in the United States. Each year we process approximately 1.6 million paper diaries from households across the country for the "sweeps" ratings periods. The standard report months – the "sweep" months – include November, February, May and July of each year.

The paper-viewing diaries are mailed out to randomly selected households in all 210 local markets in the U.S. Each household’s member in the diary sample is asked to write down what programs and channels they watch over the course of that one week.


In short, Saturday morning cartoons aren't what they used to be these days.

Johto averaged around 5's, the top number, throughout it's run. What does that mean?

Really? Why do you say that? Advertisers seem happy relying on their numbers. And with the upgrade to installed boxes rather than using hand-written notebooks, it's easier to track them now more than ever.
I believe that it's a flawed system since it takes a certain amount of people and tries to generalize it for an entire group. And yeah advertisers like the system, I know. I'd go into depth more but this post is getting too long for my enjoyment.

Anyway, if anyone is interested for the ratings for Pokémon in Fall '05 and Fall '06, you can check out these threads '05 and '06. You really can't go much earlier than that ratings-wise unless you really look.

Now:
Speak for yourself! Actually for me and other my friends Johto was the best, because of fun, humor, good storyline and less commercial stuff like stupid Pokeathlon, Rangers or unnecessary Johto Festival in DP saga. Just because you hate Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same.
Good storyline? It's a drawn out version of Kanto with less humor. It's Hoenn and Sinnoh but only with Ash doing a token quest while the other two didn't. Or:

Must have missed those parts.
Just because you and your friends love Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same..
That. From a writing standpoint, like most of the show, it was terrible. Really, there's a reason a lot of people stopped wtching during and after Johto, y'know? Most of them aren't boycotting it either by the way.

^^^YES.

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CN=dead to me either way.

So... yeah...

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Well, [adult swim] is starting an hour earlier in 2011 so yeah.

Anyway, if I made any mistakes on this, fuck it. It's too long for me to read through.
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I just said why I like Johto. I didn't say that everyone must.
My point was that Vernikova (Jorah Rocks!) didn't say that everyone must hate Johto..



Not to go too much off topic:

As I live in Sweden, I have to watch the episodes on sites like YouTube.. (I could watch them in Swedish, I tried one episode, with Paul in it, and he sounded like a 50 year old, couldn't stand the horrible va..)

Maybe that was off topic too, :/

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Why are you guys getting so worked up and wasting so much time .... debating the ratings of a kids cartoon?

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Seen August 29th, 2020
Posted March 23rd, 2019
2,688 posts
18.1 Years
Before I proceed, I don't see how 7am slots are bad. Networks give death slots (on network television, that's usually prime time 7pm-10pm on Friday) in an effort to get declining ratings so they can cancel a show.

But 7am for a show aimed at hyperactive little kids hopped up on ADD meds and sugary cereal? I had NO trouble getting up that early. My parents hated me for it. You put on a kids show too late in the day, then you risk airing it when many are doing extracurricular activites or during family time.

I could be wrong, but 7-8am slots doesn't seem too bad, or at least not a death slot, for a show aimed at kids.
I usually slept a little later than that, so I would have missed a bit of Pokemon when I was that age if that was indeed the timeslot back then. I usually only watch it if it was a school day, since I have to be up early by then anyways. On weekends, it's a very different story.

First off, where are these numbers coming from?
2.1 and 2.2 came from THIS thread. As for 8.8 and 5.5, those were from Pokeani.

Remember, Pokemon outside of Japan was still in it's Fad status where it was everywhere. In movie theaters, lunch boxes, t-shirts, etc...
Yeah, but in Japan, which was never a fad to begin with (If it was, I doubt that it'd air movies in theaters anymore, since that's what happened here in America when the fad died down), apparently, it still succumbed to ratings. Trust me, knowing how the new fanbase replaces the old, that means that the new kids would also replace the old in numbers as well, and Japan certainly isn't going through a recession. I'm pretty sure if AG did truly "save the show" that the vast minority claim, the ratings would receive a significant boost exceeding Johto overall in the Japanese ratings, at the very least.

Also, again, it doesn't matter how many total watch it, but core demos.
the total IS the demographics, though. Kids are watching this, their watching it is recorded onto the ratings system we've got now, which only proves it.

Also, THE SHOW IS 10+ YEARS OLD. It's incredibly unrealistic to expect a show to maintain it's same success year after year after year. Network standards change. Look at other long running shows like ER. ER was never in danger of getting canned, but the # of people dropped. 33million tuned into season 1 finale, whereas about 16 million people tuned into it's final episode 15 years later. (link)
Really? I recalled how West Wing panicked when it's ratings were on the verge of collapse in Season 5, and so they tried to put Josh and Donna together and have them sleep together twice in one episode in a bid to regain viewership, and evidentally that never worked.

FIGURE OF SPEECH

Look it up.
Figure of speech? No, that's an Insult. A figure of Speech is more like "I can't wait!" "Check out my latest toy" or "I'm so hungry I could eat a Horse." What you said is definitely not a figure of speech by any definition.

Less commerical stuff?

lol

You do know the entire point of the anime is to promote the franchise. You can't get much more blatant than Pokemon. Where every Pokedex looks pretty similar to the current generation of the Game Boy or DS. The games themselves usually start in the player's bedroom which has a NES/SNES/Wii/whatever.
Even still, that doesn't mean that they should try and make it a carbon copy of the games. At least with Johto, they tried to come up with very original plotlines. I'll admit now that the Gym battles are just horrible (though they were not as horrible as in Hoenn, where Ash had basically trounced the GLs far too easily especially for the time period.). In Kanto, we had quite a few things that, while still ultimately an advert for the games, was at least done in such a manner that it actually felt like its own show. Johto and even Hoenn had also had similar things done there. Now, Sinnoh is almost a carbon copy of the games in virtually every respect. So much that you're going to think "Why am I wasting 30 minutes of a day of my life watching this when I can easily spend a few bucks and achieve the same result with the games." I mean, they keep the Gym Leader's pokemon exactly the same as the games (Even Roark), among other things, when they could diversify the Gym roster.

See, the main problem is balance. I know it's most likely going to be an advertisement anyways (pretty much every adaptation is ultimately just another advertisement of the original source.), but they could have just done it in a way that, while still an advertisement, at least makes it seem like it's own show as well (like adding in anime-only plots.).

Those who love Johto are far and few. Even among the people who think Pokemon (everything, not just anime) sucks after Gen II hate Johto. You want a saga where you can easily skip 90% of the episodes and not miss anything, including evolutions, go ahead. Heracross stayed around for what, 12 episodes?
To me, I am very meticulous with details, so missing any episode of Johto, or any episode for that matter (that includes reading summaries and scripts) is like missing a very crucial plot point. And actually, going purely by Japanese ratings, it's far more accurate to say that people who have loved Hoenn and Sinnoh are few and far between, given the fact that apparently Pokeani's rating system has Johto's overall ratings being an 8.8, and AG overall is a 5.5, and DP at best managed to get a 6.5 if not even lower than that, despite the fact that this is the most basic of audiences. I mentioned this to my aunt and uncle and they agreed (They also work in the advertisement industry, my aunt directly, and my uncle as a professor teaching the course relating to it at UNC Chapel Hill.).