Fakemon?

Started by Waki Tobaye March 8th, 2010 8:24 PM
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Waki Tobaye

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I've been working on a Pokémon Hack for months now; I was thinking of putting a lot of Fakemon (Like Quartz) but with some old Pokémon (like 90% and 10%) but today I entered this thread and readed that the fans don't like fakemon.

Why is it? And do you think it'll be ok if I put like 90% old Pokémon and some pre-evos and new evos(Chimecho evo, Kanghaskan pre-evo, etc.)?

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to be honest-it's too much work with them: Inserting( maybe creating back sprites if they don't have one...), editing the types, evolutions, attacks...
Now Imagine doing the same stuff 200 times of more...
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I'm surprised there aren't more Fakemon hacks, since I find Pokemon creation to be the most fun when it comes to a made up Pokemon game. Sprite creation, inserting, coming up with all the stats/moves/etc is time consuming, yeah. It's the only thing I know how to do (with tools because I am dumb).

The reason why that one thread has so many people against Fakemon is because the focus on the thread is things you dislike, not things you love. I noticed a lot of the people who hated Fakemon made exceptions for nicely made ones. Don't sweat it, if you made a hack that was Fakemon focused, I'd play it :)

Waki Tobaye

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I'm surprised there aren't more Fakemon hacks, since I find Pokemon creation to be the most fun when it comes to a made up Pokemon game. Sprite creation, inserting, coming up with all the stats/moves/etc is time consuming, yeah. It's the only thing I know how to do (with tools because I am dumb).

The reason why that one thread has so many people against Fakemon is because the focus on the thread is things you dislike, not things you love. I noticed a lot of the people who hated Fakemon made exceptions for nicely made ones. Don't sweat it, if you made a hack that was Fakemon focused, I'd play it :)
I thought something similar about it. Making a new region and new features is really cool, but hacks like Quartz that just have the Fakemon modified(basically, I know it has some text changes but it's pretty much the same) are really cool to play. I'm also considering the fact that 386 Fakemon(as in RSE and FRLG) is a pretty tiring job.

The main problem (aside from fandom opinion) here is that, IMO I have pretty good concepts, but lack the talent for Pokémon Spriting.
I can make 'em, but not as good as those on your avatar, for example.

So, I guess I'll just make some 50 or 100 (evos and pre-evos) to get started on Fake-spriting and later I'll make a just-fakemon game =P
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Most people have only played games with the really, really bad type of Fakemon, or Fakemon that don't look like Pokemon mixed with Pokemon. It's a bad combination. Either completely remake the whole Dex or make Pokemon-like Fakemon.
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Personally, I'm a big fan of fakemon. The issue is quality, as others have said. I think that if it looks good, has a reasonable name, and it's balanced, then people will forget their prejudice. What surprises me is that most hacks I've seen that include fakemon will not show screenshots or even provide any info on what has been added.
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On Fakemon:
There may be nothing intrinsically wrong with them but that doesn't mean that people can't dislike them. Similarly, even if a hack has very well-done, custom tiles, I (hypothetically) may not play it simply because I might not like custom tiles, regardless of their quality. Some people, myself included, prefer the comfort of the familiar.
That last line explains why I personally avoid hacks that have Fakemon and I assume why others do the same. I've seen some very professional looking Fakemon in my time but I just like the original pokemon. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, no?

A "real world" example of what I'm saying: If a someone is a homosexual, they won't be attracted to someone of the opposite sex, regardless of how attractive they may be to a heterosexual. They may think that they are attractive but that doesn't mean that they are attracted to them.

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I like making Fakemon of types that don't exist. I also enjoy creating their (realistic) movesets and stat distribution, their dex entries, everything. I'm bored of the same, predictable Pokemon.

I understand preferring the familiar... it hurts to go through the effort of Pokemon creation just to see people dismiss it without giving it a chance. Then again, I avoid hacks with EPIC!!11 plots and main characters who speak, so whatever.
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One of the greatest thrills (for me) when I get a new Pokemon Hack is seeing if they bothered to put new pokemon in or not. I'm bitterly dissapointed 90% of the time. It takes a lot of commitment and you have to be willing to make them look professional. I'm lucky to be working with an excellent sprite artist, so I guess al I have to worry about is programming them in.

Personally, I'm all for new Fakemon. The make games unique and interesting!

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quartz is an example of crap fakemon
Yet Quartz is also one of the most popular and well-known hacks around, up there with Shiny Gold, Chaos Black, the Ruby Destiny series, the Rijon Trilogy, etc.

I don't know what that would imply but it's something to consider.

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quartz is an example of crap fakemon
You know, judging by your post-count (only this one post)...I'm going to have to write this off as nothing more than a troll post. That said, what I have seen in screenshots would suggest a fair level of skill in the sprites for Quarts. How well they match the Pokemon style is another matter, but they seem reasonably well drawn. Actually, I have to give credit to anyone who can make a sprite, as opposed to simply modifying one to the point it looks like something else.
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You know, judging by your post-count (only this one post)...I'm going to have to write this off as nothing more than a troll post. That said, what I have seen in screenshots would suggest a fair level of skill in the sprites for Quarts. How well they match the Pokemon style is another matter, but they seem reasonably well drawn. Actually, I have to give credit to anyone who can make a sprite, as opposed to simply modifying one to the point it looks like something else.
No, Quartz sprites are actually crap.

Even Baro admitted it.

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I think Most of people dislike fakemon because they don't Look like a real pokemon. If the sprite is good and look like a real pokemon, I think then people will like it.
For example: A fakemon Should not look like a pokemon that already in pokemon game unless it is an Evo. Of a Pokemon. It should have a link to pokemon(I mean it should not look like a Fakemon or other Cartoons like Digimon). a fakemon must look good don't look like a funny art etc. (sorry for my Bad English...)
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No, Quartz sprites are actually crap.

Even Baro admitted it.

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troll.

I always liked fakes, my last hack (which failed) was to be a full-fake one.

In other terms, I think you've already got your answer. Good fakemon hacks so far are those who keep good sprites and also have a good portion of normal ones included.
Take Sienna, for example.

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I like lot's o' fakes, but they have to look cool. I also like pre-evolution fakemons, or fakemon extensions, like regifire.
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I'm extremly new to all of this hacking and things, but as a player I've tried out the Pokemon Chaos Black and Pokemon Prism. Both great games, Prism better in my opinion, and it was because they both had something new that was refreshing. With Prism there was so much added in with the new maps, dialogue, and characters. Where with Chaos Black they had fakemon although some weren't to developed. I think the best that can be done is a median of both I found it almost bothersome that there were no unique pokemon is prism and same goes for chaos black about no new plot.
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