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Old March 16th, 2010 (10:19 PM).
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So like the title says, what's so bad about hoenn? Personally, it's my fav. region. It seems that a lot of people hate it though. Is it all the water routes? Too different? (the jhoto region had kanto pokemon and team rocket- the hoenn didn't seem to have as many kanto or jhoto pokemon and team rocket was replaced)
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Old March 16th, 2010 (10:50 PM).
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I like it as well! :)

They introduced the Battle Frontier and new awesome looking Pokemon! What I dont like about it is that, I dont like the 3rd Gen Pokemon's cries.
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Still an awesome region nontheless.
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Old March 17th, 2010 (4:11 AM).
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i loved 3rd gen also i dont know why it receives so much hate either it personally my favorite tied with 4 depending on my day
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Old March 17th, 2010 (4:55 AM).
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The problem with me is that some of the Pokemon and places were kind of weird.
It in some respects wasn't as bad as the fourth generation which is weird because some consider fouth generation to be far supperior to third but at least third generation tried new things.
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Only good thing about 3rd gen' was the introduction of the Nature system.

It sucked otherwise. The plot. The new Pokemon. The main characters had terrible sprites.

It was just fail in a package.
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its because everything was changed, the water route, the team you fought, the pokemon etc. and for me, it doesn't have it's story as good as Kanto or Jhoto
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Old March 17th, 2010 (6:04 AM).
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Is it all the water routes?
Bingo. Literally half of the routes were water routes. Water routes are the only places that you can take a thousand screenshots of in all different places and they all look the same. They also all have the same wild Pokemon. Which they have no excuse for, since water is by far the largest type. Furthermore, the levels of the wild Pokemon are so varied you can't train on them very well.

Sure you can repel. But repels don't magically change a water route into a normal route. They only take away content, they don't add it.

The half of Hoenn that isn't water is good and well varied. But that's the first half of the region. The whole second half is just water. Not very good for hanging around in after beating the Pokemon League.
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Old March 17th, 2010 (6:17 AM).
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Generally there is no much wrong in 3rd gen.

Too much water you saying? What would happen if all the region is just full of plain grass/land?

Obviously that the 3rd gen is a region where is most with water is being unique. You can't have all region with just land/cave/forest. Even in the world, the species of fish is already outnumbered of the other animals.
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Old March 17th, 2010 (6:23 AM).
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I think insects outnumber fish. Not entirely sure.

But 1/2 and 1/2 for land and water... it's not realistic. Water is generally only for travel TO land - it's not meant to be a "focus". Land is a focus and water is a travel to little islands and event spots. Having way too much water was a turn-off for a lot of people.

Another example of a too-much-water turn-off is Wind Waker. A lot of people graded Wind Waker worse than other Zelda games just because of too much water travel.

Pokemon Gamers & Zelda Gamers tend to be part of "Team Magma", imo.
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It's not that the games are bad, it's just that they are not as good as the other generations (especially G/S/C).
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Old March 17th, 2010 (6:50 AM).
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For the 376586358374th time, there was really nothing WRONG with them... It was just, that I really didn't like my Manectric being level 83, and the others around 30...
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Compared to the graphics of earlier Pokemon games I found it overly bright and colourful.
New Pokemon designs were rather uninspired — many seemed like remakes of older monsters.
No night and day, although it did on the other hand have weather.
Archipelago setting gets annoying, despite looking novel. Only works in war games, really, for the sake of strategic challenge.
I thought we'd end up being able to go to Jōto and Kanto, but alas no... Going back to one region just felt like such a downgrade.

There are however good points like the expanded role berries play and going underwater, but it's not enough to pass smoothly. I think it was ultimately the hopes of there now being three regions being shattered for us. Gen 3 isn't really 'bad', just didn't live up to the standards Game Freak had set for themselves previously — people thought that since gen 2 had gen 1's region as well, gen 3 would have at least gen 2's too.
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Old March 17th, 2010 (7:58 AM).
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I loved hoenn!!!! Its my fav generation! I know its has its ups and downs... but so does every game right?!
I dont understand why people are giving the reason that it "changed"... change happens you cant be afraid of it =P

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Another reason which is why most people think that Gen 3 sucks is because of Gen 2 which feature 2 region in one game and generally most people thought that Gen 3 would make a big update but no. So this is why that so many people are in hate on Gen 3.

Conclusion, there are nothing wrong on Gen 3.
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I'm probably one of those people who didn't like it because of the new Pokemon. Not only that, but I stopped watching the series after the Johto season ended because it just changed too much for me. I'm not sure when the new voice actors were incorporated, but that was also another reason why I stopped watching.

But as far as the games go, I still bought the three games (Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald) since I could play them on my GBA. The graphics were more improved and some of the new features were impressive, but too much changed for me. There weren't too many old Pokemon you could capture in this new region (until later in the game) which was pretty disappointing to me since there were very few new Pokemon I wouldn't mind having on my team.
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I think insects outnumber fish. Not entirely sure.

But 1/2 and 1/2 for land and water... it's not realistic. Water is generally only for travel TO land - it's not meant to be a "focus". Land is a focus and water is a travel to little islands and event spots. Having way too much water was a turn-off for a lot of people.

Another example of a too-much-water turn-off is Wind Waker. A lot of people graded Wind Waker worse than other Zelda games just because of too much water travel.

Pokemon Gamers & Zelda Gamers tend to be part of "Team Magma", imo.

Umm how is it not realistic? Honestly the last time I checked earth was around 75% water and all ther regions are based off real areas of Japan for the main series. The designers didn't create Japan so it isn't their fault that there happened to be a lot of water where that region is. And everyone says "Then use a different country for the games." If they did that they would be blasted because people would say they did not represent the other country properly. They stick with Japan because they know it and are comfortable with it. The problem with Gen 3 wasn't even an actual problem it was everyone stuck in their ways getting mad that there were changes made. The truth is if they kept Team Rocket and had another region like Kanto/Johto everyone would have cried that they didn't come up with something different. The way I see it, if you hate one you hate them all. A true fan will not complain when something they like is made for them to enjoy but will be greatful that the games they love are still being made or that the original company is still working on them. Games like Sonic and Spyro were great when they came out but the new ones suck because people just complained about them and the creators passed the titles on to different teams to work on and look what happened. The question is, was Gen 3 or any generation really that bad that there should even be discussion on what made it suck?
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I like Hoenn. It's only hated because of nostalgia and bandwagoness. It did have a lot of water routes but that was because of the storyline and Dive. I hate people bashing Gen III and IV.
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The designers didn't create Japan so it isn't their fault that there happened to be a lot of water where that region is.
It's their fault for choosing the spot. There's heaps more locations in Japan. If they chose a place in another, the complaints of misrepresentation would be few anyway. Or they could have just made one out of thin air. And they could have just upsized Hoenn more to add more areas to it and removed half of the water.

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I like Hoenn. It's only hated because of nostalgia and bandwagoness. It did have a lot of water routes but that was because of the storyline and Dive. I hate people bashing Gen III and IV.
Just a while ago I had to train a Pokemon on Emerald to ~45 and it was incredibly painful due to lack of good training spot. And if it was nostalgia I'd dislike Gen IV, but it's like the best gen ever imo.
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Umm how is it not realistic? Honestly the last time I checked earth was around 75% water and all ther regions are based off real areas of Japan for the main series.
It's not realistic because generally, on Earth, you aren't crossing the Pacific ocean to get to that tiny little island, then crossing it again to get to another little island, and staying out in the ocean boating for days and days. Major areas of Earth aren't on islands; they're on the mainland!

When people see Pokemon, unless they've looked up on Bulbapedia about it being based off of Japan, they imagine an Earth similar to theirs filled with Pokemon. On Earth, we go on relaxing cruises, but how many people, other than sailors, spend a crapload of their lives on the water?

See? It's not realistic. We aren't talking about the percent of the earth's volume in land and water; we're talking about the reality of being on water for a crapload of time to travel to place to place. Maybe 400 years ago when there weren't planes to get around lol and we all know that Pokemon has the Bullet Train in Goldenrod, and the Speedboat from Bill, so why not use that to get to those pesky islands instead? In reality, would YOU be swimming or rowboating from island to island in Japan? You'd take a plane. Or an underwater train. Or a speedboat. You wouldn't be out there on a rowboat boating for three days, unless you're poor as Hell.

I certainly don't imagine Japan when I imagine Pokemon; Pokemon is its own world. It may have been influenced by the Japanese country, but heck, they could've nicked it to not have so much space BETWEEN the islands and perhaps make more routes on the islands themselves, rather than forcing us to use Surf the entire time.
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I personally didn't really like the Pokemon that came with the Hoenn region..Their design just didn't...capture me.

Or it could be the water routes like others have stated.
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It's not realistic because generally, on Earth, you aren't crossing the Pacific ocean to get to that tiny little island, then crossing it again to get to another little island, and staying out in the ocean boating for days and days. Major areas of Earth aren't on islands; they're on the mainland!

When people see Pokemon, unless they've looked up on Bulbapedia about it being based off of Japan, they imagine an Earth similar to theirs filled with Pokemon. On Earth, we go on relaxing cruises, but how many people, other than sailors, spend a crapload of their lives on the water?

See? It's not realistic. We aren't talking about the percent of the earth's volume in land and water; we're talking about the reality of being on water for a crapload of time to travel to place to place. Maybe 400 years ago when there weren't planes to get around lol and we all know that Pokemon has the Bullet Train in Goldenrod, and the Speedboat from Bill, so why not use that to get to those pesky islands instead? In reality, would YOU be swimming or rowboating from island to island in Japan? You'd take a plane. Or an underwater train. Or a speedboat. You wouldn't be out there on a rowboat boating for three days, unless you're poor as Hell.

I certainly don't imagine Japan when I imagine Pokemon; Pokemon is its own world. It may have been influenced by the Japanese country, but heck, they could've nicked it to not have so much space BETWEEN the islands and perhaps make more routes on the islands themselves, rather than forcing us to use Surf the entire time.

Was the water honestly that bad? I takes at most 20 minutes to go through every town and city, without using fly, including the water routes which means it probably takes 5-10 minutes to get through all the water not three days lol. And I'v heard a lot of people (not in this topic) complaining that they took dive out in Gen 4 and that there wasn't a big enough dive route. To those people who complain about too much water and not enough dive routes, You need water to dive! lol
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This thread, while being valid, is aimed at Johto specifically so I'll move it over to the Advanced Generation Games forums.
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I personally didn't really like the Pokemon that came with the Hoenn region..Their design just didn't...capture me.
That's what I had with the Sinnoh Region.

But anyways.

I've started replaying Emerald last week, and neither this game nor Sapphire, I dislike. The graphics are colourful, bright and happy... I kinda miss the night/day system, but besides that no complaints about the Hoenn Region.
There is indeed a lot of water, and it sometimes bothers me.
I liked the introduction of contests, Secret Bases, Pokéblocks and the Battle Frontier. What I do dislike is that they left out the early contest halls in Emerald, since they were all replaced with Battle Tents.

The majority of Hoenn Pokémon is quite alright, imo. They came with more double typed Pokémon like Blaziken and Swampert. I quite liked them.

I found it quite good what they did with Team Aqua and Team Magma. It was an original storyline that went beyond the "evil organisation wants to take over the world"-plot.
And I really liked how they combined Ruby and Sapphire to come up with the epic battle in Emerald starring Rayquaza.
You don't hear me complain about Hoenn. Yes, Johto is my favourite region, then come Hoenn and Kanto, and then Sinnoh.
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Noting was wrong about it for me. The only thing that would irritate me would be the tree tiles and overworlds. It was a great experience.

Also, note that the 'negative' opinion can come out of people that might have played FR/LG first and then R/S/E. Yes. It leaves a bitter-something if you do that.

P.S: WHAT? WATER ROUTES? C'mon. That was something innovative. Water everywhere, so what? what if you lived on an island? It's AS EXCITING. :[
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Hoenn to me is totally awesome. It [back in the day] had amazing graphics and totally owned FireRed and LeafGreen. I still play it more often than D/P/Pt. I think that the gym leaders and Elite Four have appropriate levels and the Pokémon brought in in that generation were totally awesome. All 3 starters are pretty smashing.

The only think I hate about it is May or Brendan. They never evolve their starter, and all the way through the game their Pokémon are underleveled. If they do make a remake, they should make the game a little more challenging.

Also, the Battle Tower is beast.

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