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Old March 18th, 2010 (8:36 AM).
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I love Hoenn it was a great region but it did lack good training spots and the Vs Seekers would not have hurt other than that it was great
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Old March 18th, 2010 (9:05 AM).
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I liked Hoenn. It wasnt my favourite Gen. cause Water Routes are annoying for me, but some of the feautres like Pacifidolg town, the Underwater areas and and twin gym leaders were good. the towns were the most imaginative out of all the series I thought. :)
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Old March 18th, 2010 (9:22 AM).
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It completely destroyed any ties to the past games. GSC were sequels to the originals. RSE seemed as though they were starting over and that nothing from the first two generations mattered at all.

At least that's what I thought.
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Old March 18th, 2010 (4:42 PM).
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Also, note that the 'negative' opinion can come out of people that might have played FR/LG first and then R/S/E. Yes. It leaves a bitter-something if you do that.
Just wanted to say that I did play Fr like 4 times before I even touched E and Fr was my first game. I liked them both equally.

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It completely destroyed any ties to the past games. GSC were sequels to the originals. RSE seemed as though they were starting over and that nothing from the first two generations mattered at all.

At least that's what I thought.
Personally, I liked the no-ties thing. I never played Jhoto, so having no ties meant I had nothing that I had to worry about (such as not understanding what someone is talking about – I do like to pay attention to the script and talk to everyone).

I thought the storyline was creative and I enjoyed R/S/E so imo there wasn't anything (other than minor things, maybe) wrong with it.
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Lv58 Bellossom and Electrode vs Lv47 rest of my team.

The route between Pacifidlog and Slateport with the currents was especially annoying. But a completionist I am, so suffer through it I did.

In addition, some of the town concepts were just bizarre. A town inside a crater? A town floating in the ocean? A town on top of trees? Creative, yes, but still bizarre.

In 3rd gen, I much preferred LG over any of the Hoenn games.
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1. Terrible visuals that completely make it look like a new game entirely and with ugly grass and trees that could make a person vomit.

2. Horrible music tracks that sound nothing like Pokemon and really have no charm or stick in your head like the original music did.

3. A new gen of Pokemon that look like they were just made for money, GSC actually looked like they had their heart in it when they made the 151-251 Pokemon.

4. Rival that's your friend? Come on that defies all Pokemon logic.

5. Boring plot that is so agonizing and repetitive, it's just run from point A to B with no importance until you get to Sootopolis.

6. No day and night cycle? GSC had one, so it makes sense to include it in all new ones but they got lazy I guess.

7. Team Aqua and Team Magma look like kids in Halloween costumes, no where near as badass as Team Rocket was.
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For me.....
The Good:

-Double Battles
-Nature System
-New Berry System
-Gardevoir

The Bad:

-No Day/Night Modifier (makes getting Espeon & Umbreon interesting)
-No More Phone (even as annoying as some of those calls may have been)
-Room Decorations (though replaced by the Secret Hideout, not quite the same)
-No Backwards Compatibility (they could have made another Time Machine, don't tell me they couldn't)
-No Radio Tower
-Lack of 1st/2nd Gen Pokémon (more limited number of)
-Team Magma/Aqua (these guys were really a bunch of |insert insult here|)
-No Team Rocket

I personally feel that any game following the Gold & Silver series has a pretty big shadow to come out of, and with the release of Heart Gold & Soul Silver, that shadow just grew. Immensely. There was a certain charm about Gold & Silver that no version has been able to replace, and would like to see one (hopefully Gen.5) do this, soon.
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For me.....
The Good:

-Double Battles
-Nature System
-New Berry System
-Gardevoir

The Bad:

-No Day/Night Modifier (makes getting Espeon & Umbreon interesting)
-No More Phone (even as annoying as some of those calls may have been)
-Room Decorations (though replaced by the Secret Hideout, not quite the same)
-No Backwards Compatibility (they could have made another Time Machine, don't tell me they couldn't)
-No Radio Tower
-Lack of 1st/2nd Gen Pokémon (more limited number of)
-Team Magma/Aqua (these guys were really a bunch of |insert insult here|)
-No Team Rocket

I personally feel that any game following the Gold & Silver series has a pretty big shadow to come out of, and with the release of Heart Gold & Soul Silver, that shadow just grew. Immensely. There was a certain charm about Gold & Silver that no version has been able to replace, and would like to see one (hopefully Gen.5) do this, soon.
There is a phone in Emerald and The Room Decorations are still there. The games' mechanics at all will not allow trading between two different handhelds (GBA and GBC), and thus there was no backward compatibility. And Emerald galores with Gen 2s. However, I agree with tha whole Magma, Aqua and Rocket Part. I only liked Maxie and Tabitha. All others are |C E N S O R E D|
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1. Terrible visuals that completely make it look like a new game entirely and with ugly grass and trees that could make a person vomit.

2. Horrible music tracks that sound nothing like Pokemon and really have no charm or stick in your head like the original music did.

3. A new gen of Pokemon that look like they were just made for money, GSC actually looked like they had their heart in it when they made the 151-251 Pokemon.

4. Rival that's your friend? Come on that defies all Pokemon logic.

5. Boring plot that is so agonizing and repetitive, it's just run from point A to B with no importance until you get to Sootopolis.

6. No day and night cycle? GSC had one, so it makes sense to include it in all new ones but they got lazy I guess.

7. Team Aqua and Team Magma look like kids in Halloween costumes, no where near as badass as Team Rocket was.
I sense someone's butthurt nostalgia.

It's not as common because it wasn't the NORM. The NORM was with land with little bits of water, but Hoenn had half the world filled with it. Not too bad in my opinion, but for all those grinders and nostalgia-freaks, it was just WRONG. WRONG because it wasn't the same as awesome Kanto or awesome Johto.

The old nostalgia freaks didn't like it because it was different. TWO evil teams? No Team Rocket?! WATER?! No way, this wasn't right! It can't be good because it's different! And because nobody liked it, it wasn't.
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I don't see any reason to complain. These games were great.
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Old March 19th, 2010 (3:56 PM).
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The games' mechanics at all will not allow trading between two different handhelds (GBA and GBC)
thats not really a flaw, that is just due to technology. Think about it, did you really want a downed sized pokemon on your advance game?

anyways I spent like 400+ more hours in hoenn than I did in any other region. Hoenn introduced a lot of features that helped build the other generations. Yes it did have a flaw here and there, but all the other regions [kanto and johto, dont deny it] had their flaws as well.
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WATER?! No way, this wasn't right! It can't be good because it's different! And because nobody liked it, it wasn't.
You can't pull the 'only because it has changed' card if people give valid reasons for disliking the stuff.

How would you like it if suddenly, literally half the region was cave, or desert, or snow, etc. All with the same wild Pokemon and levels throughout.
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Apart from the water routes, stupid teams/team concepts, and the things they could have kept that were in Gold and Silver, not much was wrong with them.
You get half a game, and half waterworld. Otherwise it's completely good and has a lot of advantages exclusive to Hoenn.
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You can't pull the 'only because it has changed' card if people give valid reasons for disliking the stuff.
...including?

The main ones are "The plot was lame (usually because there's no inventive use of TEAM ROCKET)", "THE WATER", "Friendly rival", etc. which are all changes on "basics". =|

The ones that aren't are purely subjective; "The Pokemon suck!", "The music was crap!", "The graphics were horrible!"

There is one I do agree with though is that they should have kept Day/Night. Time was kept, but it could have been used so much better. Still, that's no reason for hating on a game.
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I sense someone's butthurt nostalgia.

It's not as common because it wasn't the NORM. The NORM was with land with little bits of water, but Hoenn had half the world filled with it. Not too bad in my opinion, but for all those grinders and nostalgia-freaks, it was just WRONG. WRONG because it wasn't the same as awesome Kanto or awesome Johto.

The old nostalgia freaks didn't like it because it was different. TWO evil teams? No Team Rocket?! WATER?! No way, this wasn't right! It can't be good because it's different! And because nobody liked it, it wasn't.
Chill, was just giving my opinion and I certainly don't hate WATER ... o.O
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Personally i don't have something against 3 gen...but i don't like it either.

It's not like it's bad. It's just that for me it's just not as interesting as Silver/Crystal. It's not that i'm agaisnt new things, some 3d generation pokemon were really cool (Like Blaziken or some others), and the graphics were new, but that's it. I would much rather make a game by myself exactly like Silver or Crystal, but with the new pokémon. The one i can't freaking stand is Diamond/Pearl. most of those pokemon looked like they were made out of pure boredom.

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...including?

The main ones are "The plot was lame (usually because there's no inventive use of TEAM ROCKET)", "THE WATER", "Friendly rival", etc. which are all changes on "basics". =|

The ones that aren't are purely subjective; "The Pokemon suck!", "The music was crap!", "The graphics were horrible!"

There is one I do agree with though is that they should have kept Day/Night. Time was kept, but it could have been used so much better. Still, that's no reason for hating on a game.
It's not about what the complant is. But how thoroughly explained their reasons for disliking it are. A statement like 'The Pokemon are uncreative.' isn't very well explained and probably nostalgia-based, but if someone explains why they don't like Magma/Aqua rather than just saying 'they suck', then it's a valid complant.

How much you agree with it doesn't decide whether it's nostalgia-based.
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...including?

The main ones are "The plot was lame (usually because there's no inventive use of TEAM ROCKET)", "THE WATER", "Friendly rival", etc. which are all changes on "basics". =|

The ones that aren't are purely subjective; "The Pokemon suck!", "The music was crap!", "The graphics were horrible!"

There is one I do agree with though is that they should have kept Day/Night. Time was kept, but it could have been used so much better. Still, that's no reason for hating on a game.
I don't hate the plot because there's no Team Rocket, hell there's no Team Rocket in Sinnoh, but it still had a cool plot. I hate RSE's plot because it's just run doing errands for people in the first 3/4 of the game, and the errands are not meaningful at all just boring and plain, where as in GSC going to the Radio Tower and defeating all the Rockets had a purpose because you had to save Goldenrod and possibly the whole Johto region.

Again, I don't hate water =[. I just find the visual style that Pokemon has taken (the grass) looks too fake and not as mellow olive greenish like GSC did.

The Pokemon suck in my opinion cause they have no relevance to the 1-251, no evolution chains or any interesting new Pokemon, you can tell they just made them for some extra money to keep Pokemon going, 2nd gen actually looked like they had their heart in it.

Well a friendly rival doesn't make sense to me, cause I think the rival should be a total a**hole to the player, just for that feeling of when you finally beat him/her in a battle you feel really good that you just pwned this bully.
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I like it, but the tiles could use a bit of work. It looks nice (the trees look horrible!) but i think the remakes of Gen I had better tiles.
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Hoenn is one of my favorite regions.
However, the plot is poor and there's almost nothing new you can do after the Elite Four. Also, the sea routes are really annoying.
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Uh, Battle Tower/Frontier, anyone?

There wasn't anything to do in RBY, either. =|
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Uh, Battle Tower/Frontier, anyone?

There wasn't anything to do in RBY, either. =|
You can forgive RBY a bit seeing as how they were the first in the series. Besides, at least it left you with a dungeon full of level 60+ Raichus and Chanceys and Rhydons to play around with.

A big problem I had with Ruby & Sapphire is that there was no good place to level grind after you had beat the elite four. You could challenge the elite four again, but their levels were lower in this game than in previous ones, thus slowing down your progress. The Sky Tower didn't have anything with a high enough level or xp reward to write home about.

The biggest waste of time though, was the battle tower. Yes you could get a few semi-decent items, but why on earth can't you gain XP from the fights? Grinding up to level 100 could have been a fun task: you'd get to fight a variety of trainers instead of the same four trainers with their monotype shooting gallery teams over and over again.
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The Pokemon suck in my opinion cause they have no relevance to the 1-251, no evolution chains or any interesting new Pokemon, you can tell they just made them for some extra money to keep Pokemon going, 2nd gen actually looked like they had their heart in it.QUOTE]


It was a new generation, so it would make sense that it had no relevance to the past ones considering it was new and in an entirely new region!!! I said new a lot huh? Well anyways, really? There were no interesting pokemon, excluding the starters? torkoal, wailmer, wailord, flygon, gardevoir, ludicolo (a little cheesy but he's awesome), slaking, the legendaries, agron, salamence, glalie, claydol, etc...there are plenty of pokemon in gen 3 that are awesome, and some even better than previously made 251. Hoenn has its fair share of crappy pokemon but so does the other Johto and Kanto. Yet for some reason Kanto and Johto are simply amazing and god-dyfing which means there were no problems with it..

and to the people complaining about the trees, seriously? The game was meant to be made to impress you on how the trees look. I personally don't give a [censored] how the trees looked because that is not the reason I played the game in the first place. And even if the trees looked horrible, the graphics were much better than they were in RBY & GSC
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The biggest waste of time though, was the battle tower. Yes you could get a few semi-decent items, but why on earth can't you gain XP from the fights? Grinding up to level 100 could have been a fun task: you'd get to fight a variety of trainers instead of the same four trainers with their monotype shooting gallery teams over and over again.
The same reason you don't get EXP from cable battles or over Wifi.
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So like the title says, what's so bad about hoenn? Personally, it's my fav. region. It seems that a lot of people hate it though. Is it all the water routes? Too different? (the jhoto region had kanto pokemon and team rocket- the hoenn didn't seem to have as many kanto or jhoto pokemon and team rocket was replaced)
Didn't like the pokemon?
I don't like all the endless water!! It drove me mad and I never want to have to play the hoenn region again!! It was horrible! You could never tell where abouts in the stupid ocean you were!! I got lost soooo much!!
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