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Originally Posted by Scarf
And off topic, biking and public transportation aren't always an option depending on where you live.
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Well, they can't force you not to walk.
Now, don't get me wrong. I agree with 90 percent of this bill. I do believe that people should be entitled to insurance, even if they have pre-existing conditions, and I do believe that children should always be allowed to be covered. But I also believe that there are flaws in this.
Here's the thing. This is the first time in US History that the government can legally force you to buy a product that is unrelated to direct taxes or an imminent threat, against the will of the American people (a majority of people were against this, according to many polls done by both the right and left; both sides got similar results). Not only are they going to require you to buy insurance, but they have specifically stated that you have to be covered to an extent that satisfies the IRS. So now, the IRS can tell you to buy insurance, and even make you buy whatever policy they want. Say you have Allstate or one of those other insurances. Maybe it isn't enough for the IRS. Now all of a sudden, they're telling you that you have to buy a different policy, or maybe even MULTIPLE policies. They will have the authority to make you do this, and you WILL have to do this. And those that don't, will be slapped with a fine. Anyone who doesn't have insurance is going to have to pay by the year. And if you don't, your wages will be garnished. The government should not be allowed to force you to do this. To be allowed to force you into this is nothing more than Socialism. It's unconstitutional, and I think it's high time for people to wake up.
If this remains - and it probably will - then what's to stop the government from passing a bill forcing you to buy cars from specific companies, or forcing you to go with DSL instead of Cable, or forcing you to go with AT&T? This is happening right now.
And I'm not even going to talk about College tuitions.
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Originally Posted by Netto Azure
So George Washington was a socialist, too!
If the individual mandate is unconstitutional, how could our first president require every citizen to buy a gun?
Oh well, that pretty much lays out most of the theories on unconstitutionality of the bill out the window.
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I just think it's hilarious how people try to rationalize this with things that happened 200+ years ago. I can do that too, you know. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
First off, I suggest you do a little research as to the validity of that claim, and look at the bigger picture of what was going on at the time. George Washington did not require every citizen to have a gun because he felt that the government would make more money off it. He required it because the country was at war with Britain at the time and most people living in the Colonies already owned firearms anyway for hunting. And even if they didn't, alot of them were provided for free and people often made their own firearms and even their own BULLETS. You can't make your own insurance. Not to mention, having guns didn't exactly bother anyone. A one-time payment of a few dollars for something that would protect you on a regular basis for your entire life back then is alot better than a 200 dollar a month payment for something that you might not ever use. I love all the misinformation that the media is feeding the public. It really just goes to show how far downhill this country's going.
Anyway, I've already explained on my site why this is unconstitutional, and what is going to be happening in the future. You can take it as you will. But this situation won't magically go away just because some words are changed or because a few historical points are misconstrued to give someone a fleeting debate advantage. And this is the tip of the iceberg. It only gets worse from here. Alot worse.
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