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Originally Posted by Prince_of_Light
0. It's not just his opinion. he compiles tons of facts and historical documents. That's why I want you to read the book, so you can see.
1. You just echoed my point, lol. Slavery should have died with the Constitution when it was written, it just wasn't feasible.
2. Yes they would. The pure capitalist system laid the foundation for our current middle class. With all the technology much more people have access to better education and can better provide for themselves. Guess who funded the development of that technology? Rich people.
3. Again, I made the difference quite clear. If you see it now then that means others can too. That argument is ineffective.
If you can't make any more points than this, I'd rather just end my discussion with you in particular here unless you want to find something new to talk about that's directly about health care. I'm rather tired of repeating myself. No offense though, I'm glad we came together on point 1 and a little on point 3. =P
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0. Still makes you a hypocrite, only willing to listen to people who don't like the other side as much as you.
1. And the world changes, meaning you have to adapt to it. The health care bill is a part of that process.
2. What laid out our current system was government intervention. What I've already stated happened, in America. Taking away monopolies, setting minimum wage standards, all liberal for their time, set up the chance for the opportunities you mentioned like investments. But that's not a pure capitalist system.
3. People still won't do research. Its not a good point even when doing that, I don't know what Hitler's stances were and in all honesty I don't care. Because we're not Nazi Germany, Obama is not an anti-semite or a fascist no matter what you want to believe, and Hitler's actual political stances (though I don't know the specifics) were very effective in bringing the country back from their tough times.
4. You want another point? How about this: The bill was very bi-partisan. The one the democrats wanted was much more liberal, and the one the Republicans wanted was much more conservative. No Public option, no single payer plan... none of the actual real liberal parts ever got through.