4kids. Page 4

Started by Fox♠ April 3rd, 2010 11:28 AM
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4Kids sexually harasses animated cartoons?
I sure hope they used a condom D:
but srsly


omg so funny!!111oneone!

4kids made anime more popular, its been said a million times, but its true
The weeaboo fantards are a minority, believe it or not. a vocal minority. but a minority.


Fantards? They can easily be applied to anyone that likes anything. Can you at least be creative with the insults?

Yes, 4Kids made Anime more popular. They also made some Anime so unbelievably horrifying to listen to and watch that they turned people off to Anime for the rest of their lives, so I think it's a fair trade.

They did some good dubs, they have great voice acting, not all of the time but they still do


I said the same thing already. You're just paraphrasing at this point.

They do replace music, but getting the music costs money ya' know?
which is why some companies change the theme songs or dub them.
and the music they do put isn't terrible. Pokemon had some good theme songs
and Mew Mew Power had some great music too.
4kids changes things. that doesn't make it any less enjoyable
of coarse your mileage may vary


Yes, getting the music costs money. And 4Kids has a ton of money. How do I know this? Well, other than it being so damn obvious, they practically force their merchandising commercials down out throats.

Pokemon had, in my opinion, extremely cliche songs. When you listen to them as a kid, yeah, they're pretty damn awesome, but that's usually because you don't really know what music is at that age (speaking in general). Then, you grow up, you hear the song, and you get nostalgic. The Pokemon songs were cliche, but decent, I'll give you that much.

Mew Mew Power, I didn't watch, so I won't make any comments on it, since I wouldn't know what the hell I'm talking about.

4Kids changes too many things sometimes, making it so that the Anime is confusing. Take Pokemon for example. They edited out an episode of Pokemon where Ash catches like 30 Tauros. None of us knew that at the time, because we didn't see the episode. Then, later in the series, Ash uses a Tauros, making us all wonder where the hell it came from, and how it got their. When it gets to the point where the Anime has plot-holes because of the Dubbers, and not the story, then there are some some problems.

Lay off a company that dubs CHILDREN'S CARTOONS
they're making childrens cartoons more suitable for children. I blame those pesky moral guardians myself.


So, by that logic, adults are not allowed to watch children's cartoons? Interesting logic you've got their[/sarcasm].

Its not like they're gonna come around and dub something like Death Note, or something
which is clearly not for children
and they wouldn't touch it with a fifty foot pole ;<


Well, seeing as Death Note is already dubbed, I guess that's a moot point, isn't it?

4kids hasn't even done really any animu lately anyways o_o


Yes, and thank God for that.

And anyways, how exactly does dubbing a Japanese cartoon in English make it RUINED FOREVER? you certainly aren't being forced to watch it, or buy their products.
you can go on with your merry life, and watch something else.


I never said that the dubbing ruined it forever. I said that the editing, and bad voice acting, ruins the ENGLISH Anime forever.
while drug-addicts like us watch "raped" anime with "horrid" voice acting, and "pointless" cuts
Because obviously no one in their right mind could find ANYTHING dubbed by 4kids enjoyable. We MUST be on something serious
Trying to put words in my mouth, huh? Interesting... Well, when you can create a decent argument, one that isn't based on assumptions, you should know where to find me.


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Oh, 4Kids. . How terrible you are. .


I'll be the first to admit that their dub on Shaman King wasn't all that terrible. They actually did a decent job on it, if I can get passed them giving Ren a British accent. He's Chinese, WTF!!? Their best dub had to have been Ultimate Muscle.


But to say that they did a good job on One Piece is like saying that teenagers don't work at fast food places. It's a total lie. The voices, the cruddy and unnecessary edits, and the awful job they did on Bellemere's death all contributed to an angry fanbase. I just have to say THANK GOD FOR FUNIMATION. They actually did an excellent job on what 4Kids failed on.


I don't even know why 4Kids tried to dub One Piece. It's not even a kid's show to begin with! Case and point? Niko Robin grabbing Franky's balls. Yes. His balls. Not to mention all the blood.


4Kids turned a great anime into basically a cash cow. They skipped arcs just to get to Tony Tony Chopper so they could make money off his figurines. And the arcs they skipped were wonderful arcs. I could go into more about One Piece and the terrible ways of the dub, but that would take all day to read and write.


I'd also like to say that they did NOT do a good job on Yu-Gi-Oh! OR Pokémon. Yu-Gi-Oh!'s theme in Japanese was not to save the world and half of the time when the characters were talking about Atem's past or the Sennen Items in the dub, they were talking about something completely different. Moments of silence suddenly had sound and talking, as if silence would scar the kids or something. And what's with the inappropriate accents? Jounouchi/Joey had a freaking Brooklyn accent for crap's sake. WTF? And poor Bakura was given the crappiest British accent I've ever heard. It was as if they purposely took knives and shoved them in everyone's ears.


Pokémon. Oh god. . The edits were so terrible. OMG them some freaky lookin' donuts! Yet they called them rice balls in another scene, then changed them into sandwiches, cookies, or crackers. . Not to mention the only good voice actor they had was Takeshi/Brock's. But what really got on my nerves was all the changes they made in the background music.


Instead of trying to avoid Japan and having kids know that there's another country other than America, they should've introduced these things to children in America. It would've been good for their little spongy minds.
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Mind pointing out the insults? If you're going to say 'You said I was on drugs, which I find insulting', I can easily say that you mocked (and yes, in my opinion, you mocked) Michael Jackson's operation.

I never said that Funimation's Dub wasn't horrible. I said that it got taken away from 4Kids, which is completely true. Funimation came, took it from 4Kids, and decided to dub it themselves. I never once said that the One Piece dub from Funimation didn't suck.



Here's the thing though; people can find comments about that insulting. I am one of those people. Hence, it didn't lighten the mood.

P.S: You only focused on two points of my entire message, leading me to believe that you have no real argument against anything else I've said.
Sorry, after you tl;dr with "4kids raep stuf" "ur on drugz", crudely re-wording statements I had already retorted and started putting words in my mouth, I figured you were just butthurt and didn't have anything of worth to say.

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omg so funny!!111oneone!
ARENT I RLY FUNNEH N KEWL????//111 XD XD XD

Fantards? They can easily be applied to anyone that likes anything. Can you at least be creative with the insults?
Maybe tomorrow.
Yes, 4Kids made Anime more popular. They also made some Anime so unbelievably horrifying to listen to and watch that they turned people off to Anime for the rest of their lives, so I think it's a fair trade.
Eh. Doesn't matter to me if some people stop watching anime because of a bad dub. Thats their choice. just like some people simply choose not to watch it dubbed



Yes, getting the music costs money. And 4Kids has a ton of money. How do I know this? Well, other than it being so damn obvious, they practically force their merchandising commercials down out throats.
Just because they have money doesn't mean they want to spend it oAo

Pokemon had, in my opinion, extremely cliche songs. When you listen to them as a kid, yeah, they're pretty damn awesome, but that's usually because you don't really know what music is at that age (speaking in general). Then, you grow up, you hear the song, and you get nostalgic. The Pokemon songs were cliche, but decent, I'll give you that much.
Your mileage may vary. I found the pokemon songs to be really catchy. even now ouo

4Kids changes too many things sometimes, making it so that the Anime is confusing. Take Pokemon for example. They edited out an episode of Pokemon where Ash catches like 30 Tauros. None of us knew that at the time, because we didn't see the episode. Then, later in the series, Ash uses a Tauros, making us all wonder where the hell it came from, and how it got their. When it gets to the point where the Anime has plot-holes because of the Dubbers, and not the story, then there are some some problems.
But apparently it was necessary, at least according to 4kids or whoever. We wouldn't want the innocent and fragile minds of children being corrupted. D:
All the banned episodes were banned for a reason. whether it was a good reason is a matter of opinion owo

I'm not gonna argue that the edits weren't dumb. I mean some of them were forgivable
Then the other ones were just....
"THAT IS NOT A DOUGHNUT IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DOUGHNUT D:"




So, by that logic, adults are not allowed to watch children's cartoons? Interesting logic you've got their[/sarcasm].
Older audiences can watch kids shows. that doesn't change the fact that its a kids show though.



Well, seeing as Death Note is already dubbed, I guess that's a moot point, isn't it?
I was using that as an example. They won't touch an anime "Like death note or something"They dub kids anime. not ALL anime.




I never said that the dubbing ruined it forever. I said that the editing, and bad voice acting, ruins the ENGLISH Anime forever.
Not really it just ruins peoples opinions of 4kids forever. oAo

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I don't know why there's been a sudden backlash against the people that dislike 4kids, but I will repeat what so many of you have said to us: get over yourselves. I have my own reasons to dislike them; I don't go around forcing my views on anyone, though. If you like them, then great; buy from them. I will never buy a product from them, ever; that's my decision, and nothing anyone says will affect it. For the most part, if I want to support a series, I'll get it imported. If I feel the people involved in development (writers, animators, etc.) are getting ripped off somehow, I won't even import; I'll send money directly to the parties that deserve it and download it.
VNs are superior to anime, don't @ me

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I'd of NEVER watched One Piece if I hadn't seen the 4kids dub, this is the same as a lot of my irl friends who also watch One Piece now.
But can't we agree that it could have easily been FUNimation's dub that could have gotten you into it if you had seen it first?

You're lucky to know anybody like that by the way. I seriously can not name a single person in real life that hasn't closed their mind to the series thanks to 4Kids. Every single anime fan I know says the same thing, and all of them haven't even given the subbed version or the FUNimation dub a chance. You have to understand why it's frustrating. I'm pretty sure that at least some of them could find something to like in it, but nope "I saw the 4Kids dub, it was too kiddy for me."

Seriously, do not underestimate how bad that dub really was. All of the horrible one-liners that were totally out of character, entire arcs completely removed for no reason even if they would have significance later on in the series (which we should all know that they do because this is One Piece.), the Marine's guns being turned into water guns, Sanji's cigarette being turned into a lollipop (kind of understandable that they didn't want a cigarette, but... FUNimation did the TV edits a lot better by just not having it at all.), Sanji and Usopp's voices being HORRIBLE, a lot of the emotional scenes being totally ruined by edits, music, etc., the music being CHANGED (One Piece's BGM is some of the best around, and my favorite altogether. 4Kids crossed a HUGE line there.), etc.

I don't know why there's been a sudden backlash against the people that dislike 4kids.
Because it's a popular opinion, and popular opinions are not "cool".

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Because it's a popular opinion, and popular opinions are not "cool".
The actual reason is actually that this thread actually started as a troll thread, well, for those that don't pay attention to what Fox normally posts, but a few more "lol it's a troll" posts later, people started posting how they're not totally against 4Kids (argument being that they actually did bring people to subbed anime, or that they don't force people to buy the show (near none, if any, C&D letters to subbers)). Afterwords, the people that were completely against 4kids showed up and argued using one piece dub sucks as a point, and...ya, something like that.

Now that I've summed up this thread, Fox has had a successful troll, and this thread is actually starting to heat up now, I'm gonna close this thread.

/Closed

P.S. BTW probably some of the the only respect I have for Funimation is for redistributing the remainder of Geneon's dubs.

P.P.S. Worst (English) dub (of an anime) ever made is Cardcaptors [Cardcaptor Sakura], done by Nelvana. Unarguable Statement.