Do you believe in the death penalty? Page 2

Started by Brittani April 7th, 2010 3:02 PM
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Do you agree or disagree with the death penalty?

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It depends. Child rapists I think should be killed. I think it would depend for murderers. If some body kills some on else because they say... abused them as a child and messed them up, or killed some one else, then that person who killed them shouldn't die. But if they kill people for no reason, well they should probably die
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If people are destructive members of society, they need to be dealt with. First, we should try therapy or re-education, but this should be carefully monitored. It's possible they may just have had a rough life and need to sort some things out. We do need a way to figure out which people may simply be rehabilitated and which people are too far gone, so to say.

If that fails, though, the government should give the person an option on how to contribute to society, of which the death penalty should be a choice. The person should be confined and allowed to choose whether to do manual labor, to do research, to have some sort of procedure done to solve the problem (e.g., in instances of rape, chemical or physical castration), or to take the death penalty. I feel like this would turn these people into potentially productive, albeit isolated, members of society.
This system of yours is not perfect, but neither is the law system today.
I am against the death penalty, and I support your basically thought out idea.

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punishment trumps rehabilitation.

If you've killed than you should be killed.

Any other crime should just be prison time.

It depends. Child rapists I think should be killed. I think it would depend for murderers. If some body kills some on else because they say... abused them as a child and messed them up, or killed some one else, then that person who killed them shouldn't die. But if they kill people for no reason, well they should probably die
Why not normal rapists? Thats an extremely biased opinion.
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Why does everybody think that the death penalty is so inhumane anyways? Assuming it was impossible to break out of life imprisonment, I would choose the death penalty because that's a whole lot better than rotting in jail, wondering why I messed up my life, for a good 60 years (or however long). As far as I see it, life in jail is far more inhumane, and the only reason I would choose jail over death is because then there might come a day where I could break out of jail, and in that case I have cheated the system and lessened my punishment.

Yes, some people are innocent, but some people think death is too inhumane even if the person was a murderer. Besides, it's not like the death penalty is a huge secret that potential murderers and rapists don't know about. They forfeit their rights when they commit a crime this low. I don't support torture just for the sake of punishment, but most forms of execution are either quick or painless.
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Yes, and I think that death should be the result of most crimes. A warning or two dependent on the crime, and if committed again, you die. This solves many things. Whoever, it's proven that rapists/murderers will do it again, so I figure it's best to just kill them when caught, to cease the spread of their genes.
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it's proven that rapists/murderers will do it again, so I figure it's best to just kill them when caught, to cease the spread of their genes.
It is? Where?

Murder usually has a motivation, revenge or something. If they get their revenge why would they kill again? I sincerely doubt all killers are serial killers, most won't be.

Rape not so much, granted.


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Lemme put it this way.

If we followed the "humane" approach, no killing someone because they killed someone, we wouldn't be fighting terrorists, we wouldn't have fought in World War II, and hell, the USA may not have even been around today.

Not trying to be overdramatic, just putting things in perspective. Mass murders who are proven guilty on a solid base evidence must be executed. Period. If you have the proof they did it, kill them, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. For single time murders, depends. Cases of self-defense should NOT be charged. Murders for money, power, drugs, etc. should be punished by life in prison. Rapists, if it's once and they've been rehabilitated, keep an eye on them and let them loose. If it was several and they're rehabilitated, keep em for a few years to be sure, then release them. If it's many, or they can't be rehabilitated, life in prison or castration. That simple.
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It is? Where?

Murder usually has a motivation, revenge or something. If they get their revenge why would they kill again? I sincerely doubt all killers are serial killers, most won't be.

Rape not so much, granted.

It's true about the revenge, but I don't think that people should handle situations like that so...poorly? If it's a revenge thing, killing the killer, I'm all for it. But if it's because someone stole money or cheated on you; regardless of that being a bad thing, I don't think they should respond that way, you know, have a leveled head about it. People are/can be bad. And there isn't much that can stop it.

With giving/letting people know that there are death sentences, and that one could get it so easily, I believe it would put a halt to many crimes, because they want to be preserved. Live. Those that knowingly break the law, know that they can die, and if caught, will. And hold what they have done higher than their own life.

Hopefully this isn't seen as rambling, but at that point, if we ever get to it, people would think carefully about their life's value, and the thing that they think they want to do. And will probably chose not to do it.
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It's true about the revenge, but I don't think that people should handle situations like that so...poorly? If it's a revenge thing, killing the killer, I'm all for it. But if it's because someone stole money or cheated on you; regardless of that being a bad thing, I don't think they should respond that way, you know, have a leveled head about it. People are/can be bad. And there isn't much that can stop it.

With giving/letting people know that there are death sentences, and that one could get it so easily, I believe it would put a halt to many crimes, because they want to be preserved. Live. Those that knowingly break the law, know that they can die, and if caught, will. And hold what they have done higher than their own life.

Hopefully this isn't seen as rambling, but at that point, if we ever get to it, people would think carefully about their life's value, and the thing that they think they want to do. And will probably chose not to do it.
I agree, I in no way condone killing someone for the sake of revenge but I was just saying that all killers will kill again isn't strictly true.

And I believe in the Penn and Teller Bull**** episode about the death penalty they (well, Penn did) that states with the capital punishment don't have a significant difference to those without so in the end it might not be all that good of a deterrent. I'm not sure how reliable the show is as a source though and the episode was a few years old so thinks might have changed so I can't say for sure.


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I say we have a fight to the death between the criminal and a prison officer (chosen at random).
TBH that's a stupid idea.

Scenario #1: Prisoner kills guard. A riot will probably break out, putting more lives in danger.

Scenario #2: Guard shoots prisoner. Essentially the death penalty.

What would be gained from that?
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TBH that's a stupid idea.

Scenario #1: Prisoner kills guard. A riot will probably break out, putting more lives in danger.

Scenario #2: Guard shoots prisoner. Essentially the death penalty.

What would be gained from that?
#1 - Have you seen the state of prisons lately? They are full to the brim. A bit of spring cleaning (of inmates), will do society some good! Free up taxpayer money, you know?

#2 - But the prisoner is in with a chance. He's like Rocky - the underdog, but always in with a chance. The win is never out of reach, and it makes for some good entertainment - like Gladiator all over again - people pay good money for stuff like that!

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Death Penalty? Becoming a murderer in order to oppose crime? Sounds pretty stupid to me.
You are all taking about the bible phrase "an eye for an eye", or whatever the english version of that saying it. I'm not perfectly informed, but I'm pretty sure that phrase originates from the old testament. Why do I think so? Because Jesus was talking about pretty much the exact opposite of it. And, by the way, the old testament also advises people to beat their children and whatever else. So yeah. When you are quoting the bible, one should think you are talking about the ideals of christianity, but all that "an eye for an eye"-stuff is actually quite obviously NOT an ideal of christianity, it's not even close to that.
Seriously, if you promote death penalty, you might as well promote these oh so much hated sharia laws like cutting thieves hands off or throwing stones at people for some other kinds of crimes (I can't really remember what crime that exactly was, but does it matter?).
About the whole child rapists thing (I know, it's probably not too wise to talk about that topic with a pedobear avatar, but it since it has been mentioned, i'll pick it up anyways)... Pedophilia might be criminal, but these people are born with it, paraphilias are just like any other type of sexuality, except that they might cause some more problems. Over the time, a massive sexual frustration must be developping, which makes these people so desperate that they become rapists. That's the one side of the thing. The other one is the more obvious stuff, you know what belongs here, so I don't see any necessarity to write that down. What do I want to say with this? I think that pedophiles should be considered as mentally disabled, pedophilia is, like for example sociopathy (which leads to even worse crimes), a permanent psychic condition, nothing you are guilty of. You would, if it just wouldn't be for the crimes that these conditions cause so often. So, I'd say, send them to prison for their crimes or in extremer cases even to something like a madhouse, but killing them? No, that's far too exaggerated.



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Um...I'm not sure...this is a really complicated topic. ^^;
I always end up overthinking it and contradicting myself in these kind of things...
I do think that the death penalty is kinda extreme...because I believe a life is still a life no matter how much...(I guess it's sins?) it's been burdened with. I also think that killing a killer is gonna set off a never-ending chain reaction...
And then vice versa, I argue with myself a lot...

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An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Think about it...

Plus there is always the possibility you are killing someone who is innocent.
I don't support it. If you execute someone, even if they were guilty of murder, doesn't killing them make you the killer? I remember learning that two wrongs don't make a right - is this not true in this case? Why not? What always scares me about the death penalty is that we are going back to our roots as savage people. In a civilization, everybody should have a life - even if their life is in prison. Murder is illegal, and we'd be hypocrites to commit it for any reason. Life imprisonment keeps these people away from us, but doesn't leave a stain on our conscious.

Also, people are framed for crimes, as well as simply mistaken for committing them all the time. With prison, there's always the chance that if you discover, in the future, that they hadn't committed a crime at all, they can be released to live a relatively normal life. If you kill them when they are found guilty, who would even look for evidence?


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My view on the matter is that if you purposefully end someone else's life you don't deserve to live yours. of course, there would have to be concrete evidence that the person is guilty for this to be effective.

I also don't believe in the idea of "being the better person" by putting them in prison, or people say that "you are lowering yourself to their level". If someone knowingly and willingly takes the life of another then the consequences should be equal.

In many cases, by putting a murderer in prison, you are actually giving them a better life that they would have if they were free. If you need me to explain this, then I will. But in my view, the longer the punishment is not proportionate to the crime, then the rates of murder will be much higher.
All I have to say to that is this is the kind of rational that leads to unnecessary wars. "They did something bad to us so we need to punish them for it" rather than "they did something bad to us so we need to prevent them from ever doing that again."

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I don't know what I feel about the death penalty but I guess I don't support it only because it seems that it would make me feel like the killer because I wanted that criminal to get the death penalty. I honestly don't know what to say about this but this is just what I think.

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Honestly, I just think some people are a harm to the human race and just deserve to die. No one single person should be able to judge who lives and dies, but I still think sometimes it's completely necessary for people to die, if it's a severe enough crime...
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I support the death penalty, but I think it should only be used on people convicted of first- or second-degree murder or with more than one rape conviction.

Yes, everyone has the right to live, but when you take someone else's life, you forfeit your own right to live your life. Did the person they murder get a say in whether or not they got to live? No. So the murderer shouldn't be allowed to either. And rape can seriously destroy people's lives; rape victims generally need copious amounts of therapy or drugs like antidepressants to be able to resume living a normal life. One rape should be punished by jail time, rehabilitation, and very careful monitoring after the rapist's release from prison. If the person commits more than one rape, then they have shown that they obviously are unable to be rehabilitated and reintegrated into society, and because they have ruined more than one person's life, they should not be allowed to keep theirs.

And the death penalty is not cruel or unusual punishment. Nearly every method of execution is quick and painless, which is often much more merciful than the methods employed by the murderer or rapist on their victims.


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Again going on Penn and Teller, apparently lethal injection is far from humane leaving the person completely paralysed for a while before the actual lethal part comes into play, can't remember the exact details but allegedly the protocol is less strict for lethal injection than it is for putting an animal to sleep. Of course there's always the electric chair.


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My honest opinion:

The death penalty is something that should be an exclusive option to those who've commited murder, and/or commited a crime of national or global level. Why? Because, those who've committed such vile, dispicable crimes as murdering a child, raping them, killing babies, killing/raping pregnant women, taking sexual advantage of the physically or mentally handicapped shouldn't be put to death, no, they should be cofined to life in prison without pural or bail. BUT they cannot be put in solitary-confinement, nooooo. They are to be put in a cell, and be forced to participate in all activities as other convicts. Also, they are to be announced to be a violator of children, pregnant women, or the mentally or physically handicapped. WHY? So the inmates can have their ways with these sick-os. Let them experience the violation and abuse they put their victims through. And when they're on their cells, bleeding and crying, pleading over and over to be put to death, deny them their request. Make them feel exactly how they made their victims feel.

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I do support the death penalty in certain circumstances, in others I think they should just spend the rest of their sorry lives in prison. :|
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My honest opinion:

The death penalty is something that should be an exclusive option to those who've commited murder, and/or commited a crime of national or global level. Why? Because, those who've committed such vile, dispicable crimes as murdering a child, raping them, killing babies, killing/raping pregnant women, taking sexual advantage of the physically or mentally handicapped shouldn't be put to death, no, they should be cofined to life in prison without pural or bail. BUT they cannot be put in solitary-confinement, nooooo. They are to be put in a cell, and be forced to participate in all activities as other convicts. Also, they are to be announced to be a violator of children, pregnant women, or the mentally or physically handicapped. WHY? So the inmates can have their ways with these sick-os. Let them experience the violation and abuse they put their victims through. And when they're on their cells, bleeding and crying, pleading over and over to be put to death, deny them their request. Make them feel exactly how they made their victims feel.
You're assuming that everyone that goes to prison for a charge like this is actually guilty of that charge. There are false positives in the justice system more often than you'd think, and this is one reason why a "revenge" system like this is such a bad thing. You're condemning potentially innocent people to torture, and for what?

Like I said, assuming re-education doesn't work (we need a way to figure out on which people it will work best), we simply need to isolate these people and have them do something actually useful for society, though the death penalty should be an option if they wish to receive it.
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