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Started by Neil Peart April 25th, 2010 8:04 AM
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Actually, no.

You're kind of missing the concept of faith which is religion in itself.

The whole concept behind religion is that one believes God can do anything based on what they have read in the Bible/etc. They don't need to see Him do something like move a mountain because, faith says that he can do it. But, why should he?
Otherwise, there is no faith within him.
I can see how you think it's circular, and it kind of is, but really, that's what religion is in general: faith in a higher being that one entrusts the eternal soul to.
Jesus performed the miracles to prove that He was God, and to help people in general.
But, He didn't need to do stuff like moving mountains because faith alone is what helps you. If that makes sense. XD;
I see what you mean, but if he could prove that he was God back then to satisfy those who didn't believe him, why couldn't he do that now? Even if it wasn't moving a mountain, something like healing amputees or something else he's done. If it was based in the bible, and the bible is definately true, than these miracles must have happened before, even if he doesn't do it to prove himself as God, why not do it as a good deed as he allegedly did in the Bible? Oh no were going around the circle again.

I like The Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Celestial Teapot arguments, it really underlines the (what i consider) absurdity of most religions. Would you believe it if i said my mother was pregnant with the mesiahs next child? More importantly would my religious dad really believe it? Although, as Chibi said, its not a great idea to try and argue religion over the internet, especially as its something that we generally fight to the death over :P.


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I see what you mean, but if he could prove that he was God back then to satisfy those who didn't believe him, why couldn't he do that now? Even if it wasn't moving a mountain, something like healing amputees or something else he's done. If it was based in the bible, and the bible is definately true, than these miracles must have happened before, even if he doesn't do it to prove himself as God, why not do it as a good deed as he allegedly did in the Bible? Oh no were going around the circle again.

You're missing the point again. XD

The point of Christianity and any religion for that matter is to have faith in the existence a higher being even if there's no outright obvious proof of it. This is why it's rather futile to try and convert a theist into an atheist or vice-versa. If you've got faith, it's hard to understand why people can't feel God's presence. If you haven't got faith, it's hard to understand how people can feel God's presence. From my experience, it's the ability or inability to have faith in said higher power that is the insurmountable wall that perpetually separates atheists and theists.
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Well, since I don't give a damn about being flamed because I'M aware that this is just a forum filled with people I will never meet and have no consequence to fear, I'm atheist because it's logical. No decent God in my mind would let murder, rape, and other atrocities to our society happen. On a more practical level, I haven't seen him or any of his "miracles." God was a clever little story made up by power-hungry and greedy imbeciles long ago to keep populations in check and weasel a few dollars out of it themselves.

I've had family members imprisoned because of lies, friends dead way too soon, and the universal softener I've always received is "he was taken for a reason, he's in a better place."

Bullsh--.

God's only looking out for himself, in that case - not my personal feelings and sanity.

Know how they say "God never gives you more than you can handle"? Tell that to the people on this planet who kill themselves every 30 seconds.

Religion is all an easily refutable pile of nonsense. A crutch to mask reality and placate a tortured soul.

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im an atheist :)
because i do not believe in any sort of wizardry lol.
to me, the bible and most religious stuff is practically wizardry.
i do love harry potter though lol.

im more into science than reading a book written of many different people praising someone so selfish.
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I am an athiest. Once was a devout Christian, not anymore.

Why?




Serious answer: Because I find religion to be absurd. It's obvious we just make up these "gods" for our own benefit. Too many people has died and sacrificed their lives for this load of donkey terds. It's time for a change.
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You're missing the point again. XD

The point of Christianity and any religion for that matter is to have faith in the existence a higher being even if there's no outright obvious proof of it. This is why it's rather futile to try and convert a theist into an atheist or vice-versa. If you've got faith, it's hard to understand why people can't feel God's presence. If you haven't got faith, it's hard to understand how people can feel God's presence. From my experience, it's the ability or inability to have faith is the insurmountable wall that perpetually separates atheists and theists.
Atheists actually have faith in a few things actually. Evolution for one :3
Really nobody can tell if evolution happened because nobody was there to record it. Even though Atheists have been proven wrong with the evolution theory, like the fact that no missing link fossils have ever been discovered. You still have faith that evolution is correct and nothing else is.
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Atheists actually have faith in a few things actually. Evolution for one :3
Really nobody can tell if evolution happened because nobody was there to record it. Even though Atheists have been proven wrong with the evolution theory, like the fact that no missing link fossils have ever been discovered. You still have faith that evolution is correct and nothing else is.
troll pl0x.
Wow. What are you talking about? It hasn't been proven wrong. Do you even know how science works? If it was legitimately proven wrong, then science would had dismissed it then. Thats how science works. Its not considered as a theory until it has significant evidence, and should it be proven wrong, it is thrown out, or molding to something that is still supported by a significant evidence pool without that contradiction that proved the prior version wrong.

By the way, here's a definition of faith from a dictionary:
faith - belief that is not based on proof
Opposite of science

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Wow. What are you talking about? It hasn't been proven wrong. Do you even know how science works? If it was legitimately proven wrong, then science would had dismissed it then. Thats how science works. Its not considered as a theory until it has significant evidence, and should it be proven wrong, it is thrown out, or molding to something that is still supported by a significant evidence pool without that contradiction that proved the prior version wrong.

By the way, here's a definition of faith from a dictionary:

Opposite of science
10 minutes and already a troll has appeared :D

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But you still don't have legitimate proof on evolution, therefor you still have "Faith"
Thats why its still a theory :P
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10 minutes and already a troll has appeared :D

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But you still don't have legitimate proof on evolution, therefor you still have "Faith"
Thats why its still a theory :P
I'm a troll because you don't understand science? I took a quick look at your link. and most of it is just stupid. It says evolution is wrong because it compares things to DARWIN'S theory. Do you have any idea how much it has changed since then? Its irrelevant, you're comparing modern knowledge to a theory that is out-of-date.

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I don't really know what to believe. I mean.. both theories (evolution+intelligent design) are highly flawed. But... to be honest... I don't really care. I guess that if I had to choose... I would be labeled an athiest, or agnostic. I don't reject the idea of there being a god.. I just tend to put my mind to more practical things.

I mean, when/if we do eventually find out who/what made us... nothing will really change.. bar the fact we will stop wasting time on a truly trivial matter.

Also,Chibi Robo, Theo... having a debate about which theory is right.. is really not the intent the OP had.

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I'm a troll because you don't understand science? I took a quick look at your link. and most of it is just stupid. It says evolution is wrong because it compares things to DARWIN'S theory. Do you have any idea how much it has changed since then? Its irrelevant, you're comparing modern knowledge to a theory that is out-of-date.
Ok then how has it changed?
Because last time I checked Mr. Darwin said I was a monkey.


Also,Chibi Robo, Theo... having a debate about which theory is right.. is really not the intent the OP had.
This is on a matter of theory v.s. religion.
I'm also sick and tired of these atheist threads popping up once a week and I'm taking a stand for it.
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Ok then how has it changed?
Because last time I checked Mr. Darwin said I was a monkey.

It evolved with every new discovery. Darwin's theory was an early idea for it. Its like the first cars. Compare them to today. New information, technology, and insight has brought about rapid advancements to cars. The same goes for the theory of evolution. Its changed like that, new discoveries, technologies, and such have brought about advancements to the theory to fit with modern knowledge. Like the car, the original concept serves as the base for the modern version. It is changes and continues to change. I'm not well versed enough in the actual current theory to explain the specific detail of how it changed, but this is just how the scientific method works. The scientific method is designed to weed out what has been proven untrue and to promote those with significant evidence. Without either of the above, it proves to be indifferent towards them. Religion falls into the indifferent category. Although it can't be proven wrong, for which I give it its credit as possible for, it also has little to no evidence to prove it at all.


Ok then how has it changed?
This is on a matter of theory v.s. religion.
I'm also sick and tired of these atheist threads popping up once a week and I'm taking a stand for it.
Haha, aren't you just so ignorant? Its not about this debate, as was said. Read the first post, and that's what this thread is supposed to be about. Really, we shouldn't be getting off topic like this

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Atheists actually have faith in a few things actually. Evolution for one :3
Really nobody can tell if evolution happened because nobody was there to record it. Even though Atheists have been proven wrong with the evolution theory, like the fact that no missing link fossils have ever been discovered. You still have faith that evolution is correct and nothing else is.
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Ok then how has it changed?
Because last time I checked Mr. Darwin said I was a monkey.


This is on a matter of theory v.s. religion.
I'm also sick and tired of these atheist threads popping up once a week and I'm taking a stand for it.
Okay I usually avoid these topics on forums as this is literally what I do for a living and I almost feel like I'm cheating when I come into an environment like this and just walk in and cast Death on the entire room..

BUT..

Those two things are probably the two single least intelligent posts on this entire forum. I'm not calling the poster dumb, just that those posts were unintelligent. They have no real backing and it's really just the poster admitting that he doesn't know what evolution is and that he is uneducated on what science is.

Evolution exists. We can see it in day to day life. To argue that evolution doesn't exist is like saying the world is flat. It's outdated to argue against something so true. It's just a theory? Do you know what a scientific theory is? GRAVITY is a scientific theory. Go jump off a cliff and tell me if you don't fall down. Gravity exists, and is apparent, just as apparent as evolution.



Before I leave, I will mention that I pride myself in my intelligence, therefore consider myself an Atheist. It's nothing more than delusional to believe in some mythological creature that clearly has no real merit to his existence.


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Atheists actually have faith in a few things actually. Evolution for one :3
Really nobody can tell if evolution happened because nobody was there to record it. Even though Atheists have been proven wrong with the evolution theory, like the fact that no missing link fossils have ever been discovered. You still have faith that evolution is correct and nothing else is.
troll pl0x.
Believing in the theory of evolution isn't exactly faith because there are numerous facts supporting it, but nice try anyways. I should still probably edit my post for clarity. XD

As an aside though, I'd like to point out that science and religion aren't mutually exclusive. I'm a (relatively liberal-minded) Christian and I believe in evolution. It's true that some extreme Christians will dismiss anything scientific and say, "No, God did it!!" I, on the other hand, just think of God as that guy that created the spark of life in the universe and then proceeded to watch from afar to judge us, occasionally throwing trials and tribulations at us to see how we deal with conflict. Like I said though, My personal views of God and Heaven/Hell are much more liberal-minded than other Christians...that and I have a tendency to hate organized religions. XD
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Believing in the theory of evolution isn't exactly faith because there are numerous facts supporting it, but nice try anyways. I should still probably edit my post for clarity. XD

As an aside though, I'd like to point out that science and religion aren't mutually exclusive. I'm a (relatively liberal-minded) Christian and I believe in evolution. It's true that some extreme Christians will dismiss anything scientific and say, "No, God did it!!" I, on the other hand, just think of God as that guy that created the spark of life in the universe and then proceeded to watch from afar to judge us, occasionally throwing trials and tribulations at us to see how we deal with conflict. Like I said though, My personal views of God and Heaven/Hell are much more liberal-minded than other Christians. XD
Now.. this is something that I could see happening. This is what I believe in now. xD

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It evolved with every new discovery. Darwin's theory was an early idea for it. Its like the first cars. Compare them to today. New information, technology, and insight has brought about rapid advancements to cars. The same goes for the theory of evolution. Its changed like that, new discoveries, technologies, and such have brought about advancements to the theory to fit with modern knowledge. Like the car, the original concept serves as the base for the modern version. It is changes and continues to change. I'm not well versed enough in the actual current theory to explain the specific detail of how it changed, but this is just how the scientific method works. The scientific method is designed to weed out what has been proven untrue and to promote those with significant evidence. Without either of the above, it proves to be indifferent towards them. Religion falls into the indifferent category. Although it can't be proven wrong, for which I give it its credit as possible for, it also has little to no evidence to prove it at all.
Im sorry but the main idea of evolution still is based off of the idea that I look similar to a monkey. And the theory that I evolved from a monkey in a million year timespan. But there is just one problem.


How is it that you can find fossils of the first and last lets say "stages", but you have not found any of the 3 middle "stages"?
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Im sorry but the main idea of evolution still is based off of the idea that I look similar to a monkey. And the theory that I evolved from a monkey in a million year timespan. But there is just one problem.


How is it that you can find fossils of the first and last lets say "stages", but you have not found any of the 3 middle "stages"?
Yeah, they have, look it up. Not to mentioned two things. First, its not based on that you look like a monkey. To boil it down to something so simple and wrong is just... absurd. Secondly, its not as plain and simple as 5 stages. Evolution is a process, not a jump to the next stage type thing. Has anything, anywhere, in all of time and space every been that simple? No.

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I'm don't have a religion personally because of experiences and information I have accumulated throughout my life. To, religion was just an invention of man to help explain his surrounding and the laws of nature. But the development of science and the scientific method has also explained these things in a more realistic way. I know that religion will probably never disappear, nor do I try to force it to. Religion can coexist with science in a benevolent manner.

And I have to say that I don't like the way Atheist/People of no religion are portrayed and the media. Most of them make us out to be hateful bigots that just want to over throw all of religion, when that's actually only a small, and stupid, radical portion.


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Atheists actually have faith in a few things actually. Evolution for one :3
Really nobody can tell if evolution happened because nobody was there to record it. Even though Atheists have been proven wrong with the evolution theory, like the fact that no missing link fossils have ever been discovered. You still have faith that evolution is correct and nothing else is.
troll pl0x.
Just thought I'd jump in here and point out that missing link fossils have been found. Didn't you here about Ida last year? [LINK]
She is a suspected missing link between Lemurs and Primates. The reason no other "missing links" have been found are because of how infinitely tiny your chances of being fossilized are. It's not as if everything that dies fossilizes, there have to be perfect conditions.

Also, as for there being no proof for evolution, any person who's paid any attention during just part of a GCSE grade biology class will tell you otherwise. For example there are certain moths that survive due the fact their white wings camouflage them with the tree they land on and the ones born with black wings get eaten. However when pollution kills the lichens on these trees they go black, so you have huge areas where only the black winged ones have survived, as their mutations helped them adapt. Oh yeah and how about bacteria? Say someone takes to many anti-biotics, they kill off all the bacteria in them right? Wrong sometimes a bacteria mutates, creating an immune strain of this bacteria. So then once the anti-biotics are taken, all the non-immune bacteria are killed, leaving plenty of space for the bacteria to multiply and thrive in (case and point: MRSA). Both of those are blindingly clear examples of natural selection, AKA the baseline of evolution.
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Im sorry but the main idea of evolution still is based off of the idea that I look similar to a monkey. And the theory that I evolved from a monkey in a million year timespan. But there is just one problem.


How is it that you can find fossils of the first and last lets say "stages", but you have not found any of the 3 middle "stages"?

At this point I'm pretty sure you're just trolling and not actually serious, in which case I apologize for my last post and tell ya to keep on Trollin', but possibly take it to a non-serious thread?
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I am Christian, believing in one God, and that Jesus Christ is and was our Savior.

But I really don't find myself overly-religious. I find the teachings of today to be.... generic, and the "gays-are-bad-don't-ever-have-sex-fear-God-and-do-everything-you're-told-without-question-b**** that people say Christians are about.

And it's pretty much true, people of my religion judge a LOT. I, personally, am not one of them. I say do what you want, it's you're life. I support people who aren't cookie-cutter, but different! ;D

But I am Christian because I do believe we can't have just... evolved. What could we have evolved from, if there wasn't a Creator to make it all?

I do hate the pressure of religion, however. My dad shoved it down my throat as a child, and I personally hate him for doing so. I wish I could have just made my choice to have a certain religion or not, but as long as I live under their roof, I basically have to be.

But I'm a pretty lax Christian, myself.

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Uh, you guys are so silly to think the bible is against science. There is nothing in the bible chronologically wrong, or scientifically wrong. God created the world, and human kind. He also gave us the gift that we may create too.

The creation theory has more evidence to support it, then the evolution theory. :3
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Uh, you guys are so silly to think the bible is against science. There is nothing in the bible chronologically wrong, or scientifically wrong. God created the world, and human kind. He also gave us the gift that we may create too.

The creation theory has more evidence to support it, then the evolution theory. :3
Have you ever actually read the entire bible, or ever studied evolution in detail?