Um, Why do Atheists Celebrate Christmas Page 2

Started by Bluerang1 April 26th, 2010 10:45 AM
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I celebrate it because I was raised that way. A lot of my family are Anglican, including my mother, so I've always celebrated it and Easter, even if I'm not a member of the religion. Like people have said, I also celebrate it for the family aspects, being together with members of the family I rarely see and all that. :3

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Summer time for whom?
It's been confirmed that Jesus' birthday was somewhere between March and June - not December.

S'all.

But as said, Christmas is for everyone! To spread good cheer, get together, have family time. Christmas religiously is to celebrate the birth of Christ (even if the date is wrong); Christmas to the modern society is to celebrate family and giving gifts. To the companies, it's a moneyfest.


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Here's another religious person trying to classify atheists.


I celebrate the day, not the meaning. There's a difference.

And what do you mean by sucking the fun and meaning out of everything by disrespecting your religion? Why must you assume atheists are all disrespectful towards your religion? I respect religion, but it doesn't mean I partake in it.

People seriously assume too much for their own good here.
uh, not really- it's a curious person wanting to broaden their views- and seeing your previous signature- ahem let's see was it-
Religion is Evil?
religion will kill us all?
yes major respect- no- you're just another backwards atheist trying to classify all religion- someone who is completely intolerant towards everyone that doesn't believe the exact same thing they do- what you need to learn is tolerance- you don't have to like religion, but don't go spreading bias hate speech- it makes you seem uneducated-
AS FOR THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND
i think it's just because it's more a time for family now

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Spoiler:
The correct signature was:

"Religion is the Root of all Evil"

Quite terrible and backwards indeed


Exactly D; It's just family time, good food, and presents for everyday people. Most religious individuals just like the spirit of giving, since God gave Jesus as a prophet to the world. One of the nicest gifts, I'd say.


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Religion might not be the root of all evil, but it sure is the root of most.



uh, not really- it's a curious person wanting to broaden their views- and seeing your previous signature- ahem let's see was it-
Religion is Evil?
religion will kill us all?
yes major respect- no- you're just another backwards atheist trying to classify all religion- someone who is completely intolerant towards everyone that doesn't believe the exact same thing they do- what you need to learn is tolerance- you don't have to like religion, but don't go spreading bias hate speech- it makes you seem uneducated-
AS FOR THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND
i think it's just because it's more a time for family now
Kind of like the Crusades, where tons of people of different faiths were killed, for that exact reason?
Aren't Christians intolerant toward people that don't believe what they do, telling them they will burn in hell?

Let's not take this too far, I'd hate for the thread to be closed because of it.
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Actually, why would religion be evil, when it teaches good morals and values?

It is the people who use religion badly who are bad. The text itself doesn't cause hatred or evil things. It's the people who try to benefit and control other humans with it that are the evil ones. People who editted religions, like Christianity, to their own benefit are evil (in this case, the Roman committee hundreds of years ago). Not religion.

As said, Christmas has become a national holiday even for the non-religious. I don't see why atheists can't take advantage of it to have friendly, family time, too.


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Actually, why would religion be evil, when it teaches good morals and values?

It is the people who use religion badly who are bad. The text itself doesn't cause hatred or evil things. It's the people who try to benefit and control other humans with it that are the evil ones. People who editted religions, like Christianity, to their own benefit are evil (in this case, the Roman committee hundreds of years ago). Not religion.

As said, Christmas has become a national holiday even for the non-religious. I don't see why atheists can't take advantage of it to have friendly, family time, too.
or like the Westborough Baptist Church in Kansas- people are evil- not religion

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Cause they think Santa is hot, obv. If not him, then the reindeers. It's all simple really.

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It's because they've done careful calculations and determined that the value of gifts received exceeds their gift expenditures, therefore making Christmas financially profitable.

And it should be noted that though I am "Christian" I barely celebrated Christmas last year. My parents woke me up early, I quickly opened the few presents I had, then promptly went back to sleep until about 6PM.

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I beg to differ. Atheists don't even think about Jesus, and they sure as Hell aren't celebrating his birth on Christmas day.

They celebrate Christmas for presents, family time, and other things. Again, Christmas has become a national holiday celebrating giving and family time. To every citizen, it is now a family-based holiday.

An atheist's intention for Christmas isn't to celebrate Jesus at all. It's to celebrate family. If the intention to not celebrate Jesus is there, then yes, they are still atheists, and you can't say "they aren't atheists at all" because they don't give a rat's ass about Jesus lol just family and presents.


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To a degree, but not to the Christian faith or the Christian purpose. As said, atheists don't care about religion or Jesus. They just want family time, presents, and an excuse off of work.

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To a degree, but not to the Christian faith or the Christian purpose. As said, atheists don't care about religion or Jesus. They just want family time, presents, and an excuse off of work.

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Well everyone has work off regardless of their religion or lack of religion.

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Well everyone has work off regardless of their religion or lack of religion.
Yup, because it's a national holiday. If the holiday was as hardcore to its religious roots as some here seem to desire, then they wouldn't have the right off of work at all. Religious people could yell that it's to celebrate Jesus, and atheists should have no part. Of course, now there's the excuse for family time :P so they become just as part of Christmas as the religious individuals.

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I loled at this thread. I celebrate it because the rest of my non-atheist family does, and because I do enjoy giving and receiving presents. What, do I have to believe in god to spend time to appreciate my friends and family? I suppose when I move out I'll just change the date to the winter solstice since Christians are apparently so offended (is it just a coincidence that they are so close together?). But seriously, is Christmas really a Christian holiday anymore, at least how it's celebrated in the U.S.? It's more like Capitalism Day.

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Because we are heathenistic bastards that love agonizing people by jumping in on their holidays.
Amen to that LOL Anyway, yeah, I guess there's nothing we can do about it. It just doesn't seem fair, as some either just detest Reiligion or don't even know about the "Christ" part in Christmas. Maybe they just say "Xmas" :D
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I personally do use the term 'xmas'.
It would seem inappropriate of me, an atheist, to use 'christmas'.
I still, however, dont see how Christianity decided it was best for everyone regardless of how well they got along beforehand.
Who decided that it was the right religion, and that EVERYONE should follow it or be condemned to 'hell' for all eternity?
The romans, I believe it was, changed to Christianity as a diplomatic move more than anything to do with a change of faith, to keep control of the public after Jesus went and stirred s*** up. (cant remember the emporers name who made the call) it was after the crucifixion sometime if memory serves me correctly.
Thats the worst part about Christianity for me, the fact that it was forced on people, regardless, and still is (to an extent) today.
People have the right to free choice.
Not to mention the fact that all you preach is morals and good values and so on, but your religion has done nothing but cause bloodshed for hundreds of years for one reason or another (however weakly justified the reasons were).

Just my opinion. It was a little offtopic, and for that I apologise.
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Who decided that it was the right religion, and that EVERYONE should follow it or be condemned to 'hell' for all eternity?
A: God. ;)

Thats the worst part about Christianity for me, the fact that it was forced on people, regardless, and still is (to an extent) today.
People have the right to free choice.
I take issue with this little section, but it would take too long for an off topic post.

Not to mention the fact that all you preach is morals and good values and so on, but your religion has done nothing but cause bloodshed for hundreds of years for one reason or another.
Uh, no. The Crusades happened, Hitler happened, but even if they claimed to be Christians, I seriously doubt they were. Maybe there were patriotic soldiers who couldn't read the Bible themselves, but this all happened because of the leaders and for their personal gain. "Religion isn't evil, people are". Not to mention that all religions tend to have extremists doing awful things in their name.
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It is not intolerant to say that people who do not believe in a certain religion will go to some sort of "Hell" in an afterlife (if one does exist). The religion has taught that for centuries if not milleniums we can't expect people to change those teachings for our convenience. If you don't like the teachings, don't practice that religion. I wouldn't even say Westboro is evil, perhaps misguided but they have every right to have their pickets and spread their message since I don't agree with their message, I simply did not join their church.

Nobody is forced to be Christian anymore. Families will instill beliefs on their children whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, or Atheist, or whatever. When the child becomes an adult they can make their own decision on what belief system to follow.

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Wooh wooh all atheists are not rebels and hate religion with a burning passion. I am an atheist but I respect everyones religious beliefs even if its notwhat I believe. That aside, someone here already said that most members of a family have beliefs and they try to rub those beliefs off onto there children. When older we can choose what's reality and what's not so everyone is free to choose their own beliefs. If one believes that Christmas is Jesus' birthday then they can believe that but if someone sees it as a day to spend time with lpved ones then they are free to believe that as well. Christmas to me is about family and just being there with your loved ones. Really, I could care less if there is some deeper meaning to it so basically anyone of any religion can celebrate a day such as Christmas.
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