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If Pokemon Ruby & Pokemon Sapphire was remade, would you buy it?

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Though with Spot Pass, the Remakes would fair a lot better. Seeing as the original Mixing of Records was done in the R/S/E/LG/FR series of games. If they bring back secret bases the same way they were in Emerald, Spot Pass would allow for effortless Record mixing and you could search the world for other trainers that you randomly passed as their records would be added to your game through the Spot pass Feature.

There are other things that could be enhanced through Spot pass as well.
You mean Street Pass?

Anyways, I do see what you mean there though. Would be interesting to have your game with you while on the go, then get back home and notice that you managed to pick up someone else's base.

It would also be interesting to pick up info about their travels(with how you could see stuff about them on TV). All this record mixing talk makes it even more fun to think about.

One thing they have to up though, along with what Syd said about base limits, is the decoration limit. The original 16 isn't going to cut it if they give more focus on bases this time around.
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You mean Street Pass?

Anyways, I do see what you mean there though. Would be interesting to have your game with you while on the go, then get back home and notice that you managed to pick up someone else's base.

It would also be interesting to pick up info about their travels(with how you could see stuff about them on TV). All this record mixing talk makes it even more fun to think about.

One thing they have to up though, along with what Syd said about base limits, is the decoration limit. The original 16 isn't going to cut it if they give more focus on bases this time around.
Well they were more limited in what they could allow back then too. the 16 could have been because of placing 16 Large items and still being able to enter and get to the laptop to edit your base.

At this point I'm just hoping bases come back.
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Why would they be promoting the DSi though? That makes no sense. Their main focus right now would be to convince fans to buy the 3DS. Proof of this is found in Pokemon AR Searcher. This game is clearly a suggestion from GF and Nintendo that fans need to go ahead and buy a 3DS if they don't have one already. I think this is also a sign that the next main-series Pokemon games will be for the 3DS, not one of the older models.
If next main game would be planned for 3DS, I think they would save AR Searcher to make it exclusive to that game just like Pokewalker to HG/SS. But they are releasing it at the same time as B2/W2, saying that you'll be able to trade Pokemon from it to B2/W2, so it's obvious a lot of players will be already convinced to buy 3DS just for that. That doesn't really mean R/S remakes can't be made for DS, because B2/W2 were made for DS even though 3DS is in sale for more than year.
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I don't think Gamefreak is responsible for the AR searcher. GameFreak as of now is still centering on the DS series, while all other Nintendo affiliated companies have started switching to 3DS components. So far only one Spin off wasn't 3DS and that was Pokemon Conquest, while the others are on the 3DS, Rumble Blast, AR searcher, and the two Pokedexes.

Nintendo wants to promote 3DS but they won't force a company to halt the production of something they were already working on to switch it to a different system. They are a lot nicer to their development companies than bot Sony and Microsoft are in this regard.

If the Remakes were in production before Gamefreak received the 3DS kit, then there is the chance it will be one of the last titles for the DS with 3DS features similar to how B2W2 will link to the AR Searcher.
Oh, I didn't mean that Nintendo would stop any production already in progress. I just meant that I figure that this is their way of saying "OK guys, the DS is almost done. We've waited and gave you Gen 5 on the DS, but now is the time to move on." Pokemon is eventually going to have to jump to the 3DS, so this is a means to get fans to see the positive side of having one. All I see about B2/W2 care comments like "Why isn't it for the 3DS?", which is then followed by comments like "I'm glad it's on the DS. I'm not planning on buying a 3DS anytime soon."

I figure plans on Gen 6 are already underway, even if they are still in the early stages. You're right about Gamefreak receiving the 3DS kit though. If the remakes really were already in production for a DS release, they aren't going to cancel production. But that's assuming the remakes were actually being produced at the time for the older system.

If next main game would be planned for 3DS, I think they would save AR Searcher to make it exclusive to that game just like Pokewalker to HG/SS. But they are releasing it at the same time as B2/W2, saying that you'll be able to trade Pokemon from it to B2/W2, so it's obvious a lot of players will be already convinced to buy 3DS just for that. That doesn't really mean R/S remakes can't be made for DS, because B2/W2 were made for DS even though 3DS is in sale for more than year.
The fact that the 3DS has been out for so long is exactly why the need to just end the DS. What good will it do them to keep making DS games when the 3DS is here now? Going by the "most people already have a DS" logic, then Nintendo or any other company that produces gaming consoles should never release a new console because everyone already owns the previous one. Mario and Zelda have jumped, Pokemon is sure to follow soon. It's the last big name to not fully move on (if you consider those 3 to be the top 3 Nintendo title.)

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Here's a question now for you guys that just crossed my mind. Since the main concern for R/S/E remakes is that new fans couldn't play the GBA versions, does this also mean there is a need to remake FireRed and LeafGreen as well?

Going by the logic that everyone needs to play every generation, FR/LG should also be remade. Since the basic formula for Pokemon games has remained the same since the beginning, I believe Pokemon is the only franchise that could get away with remaking remakes. New fans today did not have the chance to play the original Red, Blue and Yellow versions or FR/LG. So, if there is a NEED for R/S/E remakes, why not FR/LG as well?

Thoughts?

(This should still be on topic since I'm only comparing this idea to concerns about the R/S/E remakes and how they are related.)
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The fact that the 3DS has been out for so long is exactly why the need to just end the DS. What good will it do them to keep making DS games when the 3DS is here now?


Here's a question now for you guys that just crossed my mind. Since the main concern for R/S/E remakes is that new fans couldn't play the GBA versions, does this also mean there is a need to remake FireRed and LeafGreen as well?

Going by the logic that everyone needs to play every generation, FR/LG should also be remade. Since the basic formula for Pokemon games has remained the same since the beginning, I believe Pokemon is the only franchise that could get away with remaking remakes. New fans today did not have the chance to play the original Red, Blue and Yellow versions or FR/LG. So, if there is a NEED for R/S/E remakes, why not FR/LG as well?

Thoughts?
It would be interesting to see the DS beat the Ps2 and become the best selling videogame system of all time(not that far off as of late)...but eh, that's another topic.

Back on topic, with the "re-remaking of gens after a while", it might seem redundant after a while(although I probably wouldn't mind anyways, haha), but in all honesty there would be a good side.

If Pokemon is to be one of the Nintendo Franchises that lasts generations, and without 'overdoing it'(new pokes are always welcome, but not like 200 every couple years), it may be a good idea to have the gens spaced further apart(in general) and the start of 'sequels in the gen'(keeping the current and past pokes but in a sequel to the first set in Gen *fill in number*), if you get what I mean. Woo...getting a little off topic again.

Anyways, I mean that, if it means keeping Pokemon in the run for many years, I'm all for a remake every now and then. Now I'm not saying one gen we should have 5 remakes of the first 5 gens or whatever, but one (even two if spaced away apart) shouldn't really hurt anything; I mean we already have a ton of spin offs and more to come to 'have different experiences', so there should always be something to do, even if you don't feel like doing a remake at whatever time.

^ We all know they'll probably drop them eventually anyways, if it helps.


P.S. One day it's going to be really funny to talk to your kids about the game; 'Omg daddy/mommy, I caught Zqxveria, the #2400 pokemon'...*you* 'Oh the memories, I remember when there were only the original 150.'
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

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The fact that the 3DS has been out for so long is exactly why the need to just end the DS. What good will it do them to keep making DS games when the 3DS is here now? Going by the "most people already have a DS" logic, then Nintendo or any other company that produces gaming consoles should never release a new console because everyone already owns the previous one. Mario and Zelda have jumped, Pokemon is sure to follow soon. It's the last big name to not fully move on (if you consider those 3 to be the top 3 Nintendo title.)
Of course they should move to 3DS but imo not with R/S remakes because they would be still 5 gen. Most people thought B2/W2 will be for 3DS because it's new console but it turned out to be for DS for the same generation reason. Look how they are speeding up 5 gen. Japanese B2/W2 in June and outside Japan in Fall making place for R/S remakes in November for their 10th anniversary. I think they want to end 5 gen quickly to move to 3DS in next year.

Also, look at gaps between consoles releases and their first exclusive main Pokemon games:
G/S got released 1 year after GBC,
R/S got released 1,5 years after GBA,
D/P got released almost 2 years after DS.

See? Gaps are rising every console. I wouldn't be surprised if first main game for 3DS would be released more than 2 years after 3DS release.

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If they are going to release a remake of Ruby/Sapphire, then I'd prefer it if they kept it consistent with the rest of 5th Gen so far and keep it on the DS platform, but also include some 3DS features with it. I think the best time for Pokémon to fully move onto the 3DS platform is when they begin development on 6th Gen.

Plus, I really don't want to have to go out and buy a 3DS yet, but that's me just being selfish.

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They could have made Nobungas Ambition for 3DS, they could have made B2W2 for 3DS but they chose not to so whether they will make remakes for the 3DS remains unknown, it would surely increase the popularity of these games but would it make the experience better overall. There are people hoping that it stays on the DS platform and leave Gen 6 to handle the 3DS, at this point it's just a waiting game.
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Well this is what I think of it. We all know how Gamefreak start to develop the games years before they are actually released, and if they had started on R/S remakes BEFORE they got the 3DS development kit, then I think its safe to say the remakes will be on the DS. If they started developing the remakes after they got the 3DS kit, it'll probably be on the 3DS.

The fact they are releasing B2W2 in June could mean a similar thing will happen as to what happened in 2004, with two sets of main games being released. How FRLG & Emerald were both released in 2004. They could be doing this so they can get their DS titles out before 2013, since as each new year comes the DS becomes devalued and older.

If the R/S remakes are going to be released anytime from this year to even 2014, they should already be in development since if I remember right, they apparently started developing HG/SS in 2006 and it was released in 2009. I'm sure Gen VI is already well into development too.
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Of course they should move to 3DS but imo not with R/S remakes because they would be still 5 gen. Most people thought B2/W2 will be for 3DS because it's new console but it turned out to be for DS for the same generation reason. Look how they are speeding up 5 gen. Japanese B2/W2 in June and outside Japan in Fall making place for R/S remakes in November for their 10th anniversary. I think they want to end 5 gen quickly to move to 3DS in next year.
I'm not saying that the move to the 3DS should start with remakes, I'm saying that R/S/E remakes should come AFTER Gen 6 is introduced. Why should R/S/E remakes be in Gen 5? If they are hoping to end Gen 5 soon, why extend it by adding the remakes to it? I see no reason why we can't wait til Gen 6 for these remakes.

Also, look at gaps between consoles releases and their first exclusive main Pokemon games:
G/S got released 1 year after GBC,
R/S got released 1,5 years after GBA,
D/P got released almost 2 years after DS.

See? Gaps are rising every console. I wouldn't be surprised if first main game for 3DS would be released more than 2 years after 3DS release.
Huge gaps between a game's first appearance on a console and the console's release is a good thing? They should be trying to move their franchises to the new system as soon as they can. And remember, we also had Pokemon XD to fill in the time between Emerald and D/P's release.

To my knowledge (I'll double check when I have more time) all new Pokemon games have been for the current system. Black and White were revealed before the 3DS. However, now that the 3DS is the current console, Black 2 and White 2 in theory should have been on the 3DS, though it's clear why it wasn't. But I see no reason why they should continue making the Pokemon games on the DS now. They can hold the remakes until after Gen 6 is introduced. That truly is the best way to handle R/S/E remakes. Not only will they be justified, but they'll get the benefit of being made for the 3DS specifically.

If they are going to release a remake of Ruby/Sapphire, then I'd prefer it if they kept it consistent with the rest of 5th Gen so far and keep it on the DS platform, but also include some 3DS features with it. I think the best time for Pokémon to fully move onto the 3DS platform is when they begin development on 6th Gen.

Plus, I really don't want to have to go out and buy a 3DS yet, but that's me just being selfish.
That seems to imply keeping with "tradition", though there is no real tradition to be kept. I believe we should see Gen 6 before we see R/S/E remakes. The 3DS would do great things for both.

They could have made Nobungas Ambition for 3DS, they could have made B2W2 for 3DS but they chose not to so whether they will make remakes for the 3DS remains unknown, it would surely increase the popularity of these games but would it make the experience better overall. There are people hoping that it stays on the DS platform and leave Gen 6 to handle the 3DS, at this point it's just a waiting game.
I've found that the main reason people want the remakes on the DS is so they don't have to buy a 3DS. However, I'm sure most people will go buy one when Pokemon makes the jump.

Or the "keep to the tradition" statement. I honestly hope GameFreak is against remakes every generation. That would mean after Hoenn, Sinnoh gets remade, and I personally don't feel like Sinnoh was that long ago. Plus, what about Gen 1 again? New fans won't have been able to experience the original Kanto region, so how will remaking remakes fit into the plan? Clinging to the idea of remakes like that would cause more problems than it would solve I think.

Well this is what I think of it. We all know how Gamefreak start to develop the games years before they are actually released, and if they had started on R/S remakes BEFORE they got the 3DS development kit, then I think its safe to say the remakes will be on the DS. If they started developing the remakes after they got the 3DS kit, it'll probably be on the 3DS.

The fact they are releasing B2W2 in June could mean a similar thing will happen as to what happened in 2004, with two sets of main games being released. How FRLG & Emerald were both released in 2004. They could be doing this so they can get their DS titles out before 2013, since as each new year comes the DS becomes devalued and older.

If the R/S remakes are going to be released anytime from this year to even 2014, they should already be in development since if I remember right, they apparently started developing HG/SS in 2006 and it was released in 2009. I'm sure Gen VI is already well into development too.
Personally, I feel that the remakes won't come this generation, but next. I just doubt that they would stall the end of the DS that much longer. The only evidence even suggesting that the remakes would come this generation right now are the "remake tradition" and supposed in-game hints that can be disputed.

I agree that Gen 6 is probably well on its way. I just think the remakes would be better off coming after Gen 6 and on the 3DS. I find it odd to believe that they would add Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza in HG/SS as non-event Pokemon if they knew R/S/E remakes were coming later. Maybe if they had been event exclusive I could see it (like Lugia and Ho-oh in FR/LG), but since they are encountered normally, it makes me question why they would add them.

Anyway, here's something I saw on Wikipedia:
"In February 2010, video gaming website Computer and Video Games reported that a select "handful" of Japanese developers were in possession of software development kits for the Nintendo DS successor, with The Pokémon Company given special priority."

Interesting...
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I'm not saying that the move to the 3DS should start with remakes, I'm saying that R/S/E remakes should come AFTER Gen 6 is introduced. Why should R/S/E remakes be in Gen 5? If they are hoping to end Gen 5 soon, why extend it by adding the remakes to it? I see no reason why we can't wait til Gen 6 for these remakes.
R/S remakes most likely are going to be in 5 gen, there are MANY hints to suggest it. By ending gen 5 soon I meant two main games in this year (B2/W2 and remakes) and 6 gen game for 3DS in 2013. This would make gen 5 shorter than gens 3 and 4.


Btw, this might be interesting:
Shizui speaks using a Kyushu dialect in the Japanese version.
We know that Kyushu = Hoenn in Pokemon world. Does that mean Shizui is from Hoenn? If so, we might meet him again in R/S remakes while he would be visiting his home region again.

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R/S remakes most likely are going to be in 5 gen, there are MANY hints to suggest it. By ending gen 5 soon I meant two main games in this year (B2/W2 and remakes) and 6 gen game for 3DS in 2013. This would make gen 5 shorter than gens 3 and 4.


Btw, this might be interesting:


We know that Kyushu = Hoenn in Pokemon world. Does that mean Shizui is from Hoenn? If so, we might meet him again in R/S remakes while he would be visiting his home region again.
Other than that last part(which really you can't rely on all the way with the little BW2 info out anyways; it could refer to Hoenn coming, but at this time we have no way of knowing), how are there 'MANY' hints suggesting that they will arrive this gen? I may want them asap as much as the next person, and I'm not out on the possibility of them arriving at the end of the year, but even I have to admit that I don't see how they refer to them coming after BW2.

The hints could just mean that they are coming sometime in the future, where do you see anyone/anything ingame referring specifically to "omg hey, come visit Hoenn before Gen 5 is officially over =)"? I may want them now, but I also fail to see the many hints that give us a date to look at. About the only thing that could hint at a game arriving before the end of this Gen is the fact that they are releasing this pair so early in comparison to past main releases; although that could also be for other reasons.
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The only real hints I could classify as actual points that relate to Ruby & Sapphire are the fact that they re-introduced Dive, the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell and some music similarities, other than that references to Hoenn from characters in the game couldn't really be defined as hints.
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It's very likely R/S remakes will be part of 5 gen, meaning they will be next main games after B2/W2. B/W and B2/W2 are referring to R/S/E in the same way like D/P/Pt were referring to G/S/C. There were doubts about G/S remakes being done in 4 gen, just like there are now doubts about R/S remakes being done in 5 gen.

I'd say that most of Hoenn Pokemon sprites got completely redrawn in 5 gen to be used in R/S remakes. I think new addition in remakes will be new animations for Hoenn sprites, just like they added new animations for Unova sprites in B2/W2.
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I think once B2W2 is released, we will know more about if the remakes are coming soon. If there are just subtle hints to Hoenn, then I guess it could come this gen or even the next gen. If there are lots of clear hints, then I think its likely we could get it this gen. But eh, even the in-game hints don't really reveal much I guess. The Kyushu and Shizui thing is interesting though, but we'll really have to wait for the game to see if any hints are really made clear.

Though, the fact they are releasing B2/W2 in June rather than September is random, and I think a very valid reason for that would be because they want to release the Hoenn remakes later in the year on their 10th anniversary. This would be an amazing year if so!
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The only real hints I could classify as actual points that relate to Ruby & Sapphire are the fact that they re-introduced Dive, the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell and some music similarities, other than that references to Hoenn from characters in the game couldn't really be defined as hints.
I agree, only those things could be potential hints, but even those have other purposes in the games. Though Dive is an HM again, remember that De Fog was one in D/P/Pt, while it was replaced for HG/SS. So the HMs don't have to be the same for every game in a generation. Also, many people are speculating that there could potentially be more use for Dive in B2/W2 going by designs of the new areas and the PCs' outfits appearing to have wetsuits under their clothes. Personally, I'm not sure what to think of that just yet.

Shoal Salt and Shoal Shell are more interesting to me, but according to the item description, there's someone in B/W that will give you a lot of money for them. This could have just been an alternate way to make some big bucks, while reusing an older item and harken back to Hoenn, but if anyone wanted to claim they found a hint, these items would be best for it.

R/S remakes most likely are going to be in 5 gen, there are MANY hints to suggest it. By ending gen 5 soon I meant two main games in this year (B2/W2 and remakes) and 6 gen game for 3DS in 2013. This would make gen 5 shorter than gens 3 and 4.
Most of the hints you've suggested can be disputed though. You said the music was a hint, however, the Team Rocket challenge theme was completely redone for B/W, and though I can't remember who exactly has it (Battle Subway guy maybe?) but someone in B/W has the Final Battle theme from RBY's Champion battle against Blue. Not to mention Cynthia herself being in the game with her theme. The only music I heard in B/W that reminded me of another game were the themes for the Tao Dragons, which part of sounds like one of the Routes from RBY.

You also have to remember that the anime is supposed to move faster than the previous generation. According to what I read, Ash will challenge for his 7th badge next month. I've seen several people suggest that the 5th gen saga could be over this year, since there seems to be no sign of anything filler in the works. But anyway, I highly doubt that we'll see another main series game this year. Releasing games too close together can potentially affect sales. And look at what holding on to the Wii so long is doing to Nintendo, they're losing money. Everyone has a Wii now, so no one is buying them. They need to start pushing the new technology right away. They need to give Pokemon fans a reason to buy a 3DS. The AR Searcher is a step in that direction, but only a full main series game will convince the majority to buy one.

Btw, this might be interesting:


We know that Kyushu = Hoenn in Pokemon world. Does that mean Shizui is from Hoenn? If so, we might meet him again in R/S remakes while he would be visiting his home region again.
I don't really look into the Japanese side of the games that often (from the US), but that is an interesting find. He may have moved from Hoenn to start some kind of business in Unova in addition to becoming a Gym Leader. His design looks as if he might be a sort of fisherman to me. Though, this could just be a tribute to Hoenn and not a hint. (just because it's Hoenn related don't necessarily mean we're going back to Hoenn.) Like I said, many other points of the game were related to Sinnoh as well, such as obtaining the orbs for the Sinnoh dragons and Cynthia. The Team Rocket appears theme was strange because the only purpose it had was just to hear it. And while many more people did mention Hoenn in these games, other regions were mentioned just as often. I personally did not see the number of people mentioning Hoenn outnumber the people mentioning other regions.

I'd like to know if all the characters in Hoenn speak with the Kyushu dialect as well. If they do, there's a chance he could be originally from Hoenn.

It's very likely R/S remakes will be part of 5 gen, meaning they will be next main games after B2/W2. B/W and B2/W2 are referring to R/S/E in the same way like D/P/Pt were referring to G/S/C. There were doubts about G/S remakes being done in 4 gen, just like there are now doubts about R/S remakes being done in 5 gen.

I'd say that most of Hoenn Pokemon sprites got completely redrawn in 5 gen to be used in R/S remakes. I think new addition in remakes will be new animations for Hoenn sprites, just like they added new animations for Unova sprites in B2/W2.
I think the doubts about HG/SS were probably justified. It's not often that you hear of a company remaking old games on a regular basis. However, since they DID remake G/S/C, now everyone thinks it will be something that happens every generation. But here's the thing: now there will be a need to remake FR/LG because they are incompatible just like R/S/E. Should Game Freak remake those too? The more they remake old games, the more problems they're gonna have. Then what about next gen, would we see Sinnoh remakes? And though we are still in Gen 5 at the moment, Gen 7 would call for remakes of these games! The "remake cycle" needs to change, and I think the best way to do that is to wait on R/S/E remakes for now. Every generation doesn't need a remake. Plus, I think this generation is low on spinoff titles and console games. The next Battle Revolution-like game would keep us happy until gen six if it were to come out sometime maybe at the beginning of the year or so.

As for the sprites, if you look at Groudon and Rayquaza's sprites from Gen 4, you'll see why that changed them. They appeared to be in some sort of victory type pose, but the new animations give them a natural animated appearance that I don't think could have worked with their previous sprites. Also, Hoenn Pokemon weren't the only ones to get new sprites for their animations (one of my personal favorites Arcanine was upgraded too) so go by those alone. Even some Sinnoh Pokemon were updated despite having the most recent graphics.
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Most of the hints you've suggested can be disputed though. You said the music was a hint, however, the Team Rocket challenge theme was completely redone for B/W, and though I can't remember who exactly has it (Battle Subway guy maybe?) but someone in B/W has the Final Battle theme from RBY's Champion battle against Blue. Not to mention Cynthia herself being in the game with her theme. The only music I heard in B/W that reminded me of another game were the themes for the Tao Dragons, which part of sounds like one of the Routes from RBY.
Team Rocket music is more like Easter Egg from game creators which can be heard in GF office. Blue's theme is used for Nintendo tournaments, it's not part of single player game and not everyone are able to even hear that track in game. Also, there's nothing special about Cynthia's theme being in game because you can battle her. All those tracks sound almost the same like their originals because they are meant to be only callbacks to older games.

I suggested Unova's Elite Four and Gym leaders themes to be hints because Unova and Hoenn are the only regions so far to have different themes for Elite Four and Gym Leaders. More of that, Unova's E4 sounds partially similar to Hoenn's E4. Gym Leader themes are hints because you need to listen to them carefully to catch similarities, like I did in one of previous posts. It's pretty the same like D/P/Pt's Canalave City sounds like G/S/C's ending when you listen to both carefully. Those tracks are hints because regular player probably won't hear their resemblances during the game.

You also have to remember that the anime is supposed to move faster than the previous generation. According to what I read, Ash will challenge for his 7th badge next month. I've seen several people suggest that the 5th gen saga could be over this year, since there seems to be no sign of anything filler in the works. But anyway, I highly doubt that we'll see another main series game this year. Releasing games too close together can potentially affect sales. And look at what holding on to the Wii so long is doing to Nintendo, they're losing money. Everyone has a Wii now, so no one is buying them. They need to start pushing the new technology right away. They need to give Pokemon fans a reason to buy a 3DS. The AR Searcher is a step in that direction, but only a full main series game will convince the majority to buy one.
I don't think they will lose money with releasing two main series games in one year because they are releasing two sequels instead of one third game. Two sequels will make them much more money than one regular third version and that would cover potential loss of money of two close main games' releases in one year.

Gen 5 anime is flowing faster that gen 4 but it can be carried over for another year because new Gym Leaders will appear, post-game Unova and probably Battle Frontier. R/S remakes can be released during that time because everything about Hoenn was made in anime, so R/S remakes shouldn't be featured in anime, maybe at least some mentions about Hoenn.


As for the sprites, if you look at Groudon and Rayquaza's sprites from Gen 4, you'll see why that changed them. They appeared to be in some sort of victory type pose, but the new animations give them a natural animated appearance that I don't think could have worked with their previous sprites. Also, Hoenn Pokemon weren't the only ones to get new sprites for their animations (one of my personal favorites Arcanine was upgraded too) so go by those alone. Even some Sinnoh Pokemon were updated despite having the most recent graphics.
Yes, some Pokemon from other regions got their sprites completely redrawn, but not as much as Hoenn Pokemon - almost all of those ones got completely new sprites which can be used in R/S remakes with addition of new animations to make them look even more refreshed.
After seeing Oshawott and Snivy in B2/W2 gameplay, I think GF changed style of upgrading sprites in 5 gen. Instead of having new poses, there are new animations. For example, I think in R/S remakes Swampert will be rising it's upper body and hands, Blaziken will be doing jump kicks.

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The only real hints I could classify as actual points that relate to Ruby & Sapphire are the fact that they re-introduced Dive, the Shoal Salt & Shoal Shell and some music similarities, other than that references to Hoenn from characters in the game couldn't really be defined as hints.
That all depends on which characters you are talking about; some are obviously hinting at remakes, like how during that one event in HGSS, Steven mentions about "...our fun will have to wait for the right time" before he walks off. Stuff like the people in Undella Town could just be having to do with the feel of the area. Although....Dive itself being 'in that area' could be one


Team Rocket music is more like Easter Egg from game creators which can be heard in GF office. Blue's theme is used for Nintendo tournaments, it's not part of single player game and not everyone are able to even hear that track in game. Also, there's nothing special about Cynthia's theme being in game because you can battle her. All those tracks sound almost the same like their originals because they are meant to be only callbacks to older games.


I suggested Unova's Elite Four and Gym leaders themes to be hints because Unova and Hoenn are the only regions so far to have different themes for Elite Four and Gym Leaders. More of that, Unova's E4 sounds partially similar to Hoenn's E4. Gym Leader themes are hints because you need to listen to them carefully to catch similarities, like I did in one of previous posts. It's pretty the same like D/P/Pt's Canalave City sounds like G/S/C's ending when you listen to both carefully. Those tracks are hints because regular player probably won't hear their resemblances during the game.
I'm not going to doubt music having a part somewhat as there are several remixes ingame; along with others like the Lilcove City remix in your villa in Platinum(which is really nice btw, if you haven't gotten to hear it). It's almost as if they are putting them in areas where we are at a point of not exactly paying attention, in hopes of people to think about it. That's where a lot of the fun in speculation comes in. I'm on the train to "they are hiding some hints"-opolis, too. Other stuff could be added as just references, but some could be to throw us off. The real hints are hidden amongst them all.


Gen 5 anime is flowing faster that gen 4 but it can be carried over for another year because new Gym Leaders will appear, post-game Unova and probably Battle Frontier. R/S remakes can be released during that time because everything about Hoenn was made in anime, so R/S remakes shouldn't be featured in anime, maybe at least some mentions about Hoenn.
Well apparently Dawn left to do contests in Hoenn, like May did with Johto, so that 'referring back to said region' could be used I guess.


Yes, some Pokemon from other regions got their sprites completely redrawn, but not as much as Hoenn Pokemon - almost all of those ones got completely new sprites which can be used in R/S remakes with addition of new animations to make them look even more refreshed.
After seeing Oshawott and Snivy in B2/W2 gameplay, I think GF changed style of upgrading sprites in 5 gen. Instead of having new poses, there are new animations. For example, I think in R/S remakes Swampert will be rising it's upper body and hands, Blaziken will be doing jump kicks.
The thing about that is why they would reuse 'old sprites' in a 'new remake'. If anything, they should have their own new poses and what not.
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I'm not going to doubt music having a part somewhat as there are several remixes ingame; along with others like the Lilcove City remix in your villa in Platinum(which is really nice btw, if you haven't gotten to hear it). It's almost as if they are putting them in areas where we are at a point of not exactly paying attention, in hopes of people to think about it. That's where a lot of the fun in speculation comes in. I'm on the train to "they are hiding some hints"-opolis, too. Other stuff could be added as just references, but some could be to throw us off. The real hints are hidden amongst them all.
I think that Lilycove music in Villa is just another callback, not a hint to anything, because it's indicated that previous owner of Villa was Steven, so it's natural they put Hoenn music in that place.

Imo the real hints are Hoenn's and Unova's Gym Leader themes' similarities because they don't sound too obviously similar and need attention to be considered as similar themes. Like I said before, the same goes for Canalave City being not too obviously similar to G/S/C ending and Sinnoh Gym Leader/E4 being not too obviously similar to Lighthouse/Mt. Silver.
Imo any other themes which sound similar are just callbacks to previous games because they are basically the same themes and sound too much obviously similar.

The thing about that is why they would reuse 'old sprites' in a 'new remake'. If anything, they should have their own new poses and what not.
I think some Hoenn Pokemon would get new poses in remakes, especially the ones which can be found in B/W because most of those ones got sprites directly imported from gen 4. Maybe you're right all Hoenn Pokemon will get new poses, but I still would say most of them will get old poses with new animations because their poses are fine as they are now in B/W (especially starters).

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I think that Lilycove music in Villa is just another callback, not a hint to anything, because it's indicated that previous owner of Villa was Steven, so it's natural they put Hoenn music in that place.

Imo the real hints are Hoenn's and Unova's Gym Leader themes' similarities because they don't sound too obviously similar and need attention to be considered as similar themes. Like I said before, the same goes for Canalave City being not too obviously similar to G/S/C ending and Sinnoh Gym Leader/E4 being not too obviously similar to Lighthouse/Mt. Silver.
Imo any other themes which sound similar are just callbacks to previous games because they are basically the same themes and sound too much obviously similar.
I just see the Unova E4, gym, whatever themes are just pure coincidence, like how you see the Lilycove one as more of a callback than anything. I hated the E4 theme in BW, in all honesty(which is what I think you are referring to actually? Recalled you mentioning it before); even if it sounds similiar, I see it as just that, a similiarity, nothing 'hidden'.

I know it might just be a callback theme, but I REALLY like the remix of Lilycove from your Pt villa and would've looked forward to it as being an official one(or something close); I guess that could be why I looked to it the way I did. After HGSS were announced, I was looking around and heard someone bring that theme up again, that theme was one of the first things that got me into doing all this thinking about RSE being remade.
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I just see the Unova E4, gym, whatever themes are just pure coincidence, like how you see the Lilycove one as more of a callback than anything. I hated the E4 theme in BW, in all honesty(which is what I think you are referring to actually? Recalled you mentioning it before); even if it sounds similiar, I see it as just that, a similiarity, nothing 'hidden'.
Gym Leader themes are imo very solid hints because they are composed in identical style and that can't be coincidence because it's proof that Hoenn and Unova have similar music style, which is important in remaking R/S to 5 gen. Route 4 and Mistralton City also have very similar style to Hoenn's music because trumpets are used a lot in those themes.

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Gym Leader themes are imo very solid hints because they are composed in identical style and that can't be coincidence because it's proof that Hoenn and Unova have similar music style, which is important in remaking R/S to 5 gen. Route 4 and Mistralton City also have very similar style to Hoenn's music because trumpets are used a lot in those themes.
The only thing that comes remotely close, music wise, is the route 9 store remix of Hoenn's stores and some others I can't think of offhand(but will add when I remember).

The 'similiar' music styles could just be the regions having similiar tastes, not because they 'have to be' together. Unless BW2 builds upon this stuff, I still see the others as just coincidence.

By no means am I shooting off remakes this gen entirely, I just think it'd be a waste to put them on the DS. Like has been said before, a lot of it will have to do with when exactly they started work on them.
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The 'similiar' music styles could just be the regions having similiar tastes, not because they 'have to be' together. Unless BW2 builds upon this stuff, I still see the others as just coincidence.
I don't think music similarities are coincidences because it's the same like both Hoenn and Unova have similar region designs. Both have great variety of environments - from desert lands to dive areas (it looks like oceanic areas are going to be expanded even more in B2/W2). Would you call those design similarities coincidences too?

Most likely Hoenn and Unova are going to be together in one generation. They resemble each other just like Johto/Kanto and Sinnoh in gen 4. Johto/Kanto is divided in half by mountains just like Sinnoh is. Also, both Johto and Sinnoh are very traditional regions full of mysteries and both contain ruins where Unown can be found. Before release of HG/SS it could be said those similarities are coincidences but after release of HG/SS it proven they're not coincidences (Arceus event). More of that, there are those music similarities between Johto and Sinnoh, which I posted about before.

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I don't think music similarities are coincidences because it's the same like both Hoenn and Unova have similar region designs. Both have great variety of environments - from desert lands to dive areas (it looks like oceanic areas are going to be expanded even more in B2/W2). Would you call those design similarities coincidences too?

Most likely Hoenn and Unova are going to be together in one generation. They resemble each other just like Johto/Kanto and Sinnoh in gen 4. Johto/Kanto is divided in half by mountains just like Sinnoh is. Also, both Johto and Sinnoh are very traditional regions full of mysteries and both contain ruins where Unown can be found. Before release of HG/SS it could be said those similarities are coincidences but after release of HG/SS it proven they're not coincidences (Arceus event). More of that, there are those music similarities between Johto and Sinnoh, which I posted about before.
I'll admit they have more in common when you look at things closely, but I'm still not counting on that being any indication of the remakes being in this gen as well, until we get some official confirmation at least.

Don't take it the wrong way, I'm just trying to remain in denial about the possibility of them being put to shame by being on the DS. Either way, I'll admit that I love the region enough(arguably my favorite) to buy the remakes no matter what anyway, just still think they deserve better.
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