• 296328 views
  • 2362 replies
  • Poll

If Pokemon Ruby & Pokemon Sapphire was remade, would you buy it?

Male
Seen April 14th, 2013
Posted April 13th, 2013
283 posts
11.2 Years
I don't think music similarities are coincidences because it's the same like both Hoenn and Unova have similar region designs. Both have great variety of environments - from desert lands to dive areas (it looks like oceanic areas are going to be expanded even more in B2/W2). Would you call those design similarities coincidences too?
Since Kanto was remade in Gen 3, how are Kanto and Hoenn alike? Kanto and Hoenn would actually be more alike then Hoenn and Unova. Hoenn has a great deal of water, and Kanto has a huge surfing area as well between Cinnabar and Fuchsia. Unova is vastly land, so those regions are not alike. As well as Sinnoh is 1 region, while Johto and Kanto are 2 separate regions only neighboring each other on the same land mass. While I do think that Sinnoh could possibly have been inspired from the Johto/Kanto connection to make 1 region, they would not have designed that region just to serve as a hint for HG/SS. And many people have complained about Unova not having enough places to use Surf or Dive, so no, Unova is not like Hoenn.

I really don't see how the music is similar enough to say "It's a hint!" Sinnoh also changed the music for the Elite 4, though it was basically the same track, just edited, but it was a different version for the Elite 4 than the Gym Leaders. It appears GF has decided in recent years that the Elite 4 should have their own theme.

Most likely Hoenn and Unova are going to be together in one generation. They resemble each other just like Johto/Kanto and Sinnoh in gen 4. Johto/Kanto is divided in half by mountains just like Sinnoh is. Also, both Johto and Sinnoh are very traditional regions full of mysteries and both contain ruins where Unown can be found. Before release of HG/SS it could be said those similarities are coincidences but after release of HG/SS it proven they're not coincidences (Arceus event). More of that, there are those music similarities between Johto and Sinnoh, which I posted about before.
Let me ask you this: Why do you think that R/S/E remakes HAVE to come this generation and on the DS? As I type this, I just can't come up with a good enough reason as to say the remakes would benefit more from a dying console than a newer one. Sales of the 3DS are beating the Vita, so I assume that means more people are finally starting to make the change. So there ARE people out there with a 3DS who will buy a 3DS Pokemon game. And you can bet that all the people without a 3DS when Gen 6 is announced will go out and get one just for the Pokemon games. So it will be good for sales. Think about it this way: the sale of one 3DS is equal to 3 or 4 Pokemon games, so add that to the buyers also buying a Pokemon game and add more for the peeps that by both versions. Everyone having a DS isn't good news for GF or Nintendo, as can be seen in Nintendo's loss in Wii sales because everyone has one now.

All that aside, I still don't think it will happen this Gen because the original R/S/E GBA games are still compatible with B/W and B2/W2's system: the DS (not the DS Lite or DSi). GF isn't going to say "We need remakes since some people bought a DS Lite or DSi), that's just not enough of a reason.

I think that Gen 5 is a great Gen on its own as it is with the first ever true sequels. We don't need another Unova game or remakes this Gen, as I believe not EVERY Gen needs remakes to be a good, satisfying Gen. I think B2/W2 will be the best way to end Pokemon's main series on the DS and allow GF to make the jump to the 3DS for Gen 6. Then, with all the new features and updates, that's when I'd like to see Hoenn remade. I truly think it would be worth the wait to skip remakes this Gen and save them for Gen 6. If not, we could see Gen 4 remade for Gen 6 instead, which I'm not sure if anyone has given thought to that. The "remake tradition" just needs to end, for the better of the franchise. That way, GF can look to the future without having to constantly look back and depend on the past so much.
"Believe in yourself and create your own destiny. Don't fear failure." - Only Toonami
=====

Pokemon White 2 Team:
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
Since Kanto was remade in Gen 3, how are Kanto and Hoenn alike? Kanto and Hoenn would actually be more alike then Hoenn and Unova. Hoenn has a great deal of water, and Kanto has a huge surfing area as well between Cinnabar and Fuchsia. Unova is vastly land, so those regions are not alike. As well as Sinnoh is 1 region, while Johto and Kanto are 2 separate regions only neighboring each other on the same land mass. While I do think that Sinnoh could possibly have been inspired from the Johto/Kanto connection to make 1 region, they would not have designed that region just to serve as a hint for HG/SS. And many people have complained about Unova not having enough places to use Surf or Dive, so no, Unova is not like Hoenn.
Kanto is not like Hoenn. That's why I think FR/LG were so simplified and released so quickly because Kanto would never be so advanced in region features like Hoenn. I think the real style of making remakes started in gen 4 because Johto and Sinnoh actually resemble each other, the same like Hoenn and Unova. It doesn't really matter that Unova hasn't so much water like Hoenn - both regions make use of Dive as HM and that's what really matter. Interesting thing is that water theme in Unova is going to be expanded in B2/W2 and that's going to make Unova look even more like Hoenn.

I really don't see how the music is similar enough to say "It's a hint!" Sinnoh also changed the music for the Elite 4, though it was basically the same track, just edited, but it was a different version for the Elite 4 than the Gym Leaders. It appears GF has decided in recent years that the Elite 4 should have their own theme.
Isn't that suspicious they made totally different themes for Gym Leaders and Elite 4 only for R/S/E and B/W? Why did GF do that?
Also, like I said before, Gym Leaders themes for Hoenn and Unova don't sound similar if someone doesn't compare them carefully. I did compare them and their compositions are very much alike. Why did GF focused so much on Hoenn's Gym Leader theme while making Unova's Gym Leader theme? They could focus on any other region. It's the same like GF focused on Johto's music while making two of Sinnoh's music tracks. It's because from gen 4 they started to focus on previous regions they plan to remake in current generation.

Let me ask you this: Why do you think that R/S/E remakes HAVE to come this generation and on the DS? As I type this, I just can't come up with a good enough reason as to say the remakes would benefit more from a dying console than a newer one. Sales of the 3DS are beating the Vita, so I assume that means more people are finally starting to make the change. So there ARE people out there with a 3DS who will buy a 3DS Pokemon game. And you can bet that all the people without a 3DS when Gen 6 is announced will go out and get one just for the Pokemon games. So it will be good for sales. Think about it this way: the sale of one 3DS is equal to 3 or 4 Pokemon games, so add that to the buyers also buying a Pokemon game and add more for the peeps that by both versions. Everyone having a DS isn't good news for GF or Nintendo, as can be seen in Nintendo's loss in Wii sales because everyone has one now.

All that aside, I still don't think it will happen this Gen because the original R/S/E GBA games are still compatible with B/W and B2/W2's system: the DS (not the DS Lite or DSi). GF isn't going to say "We need remakes since some people bought a DS Lite or DSi), that's just not enough of a reason.
To make it clear - DSi and newer models are recommended platforms for B/W, not original DS and DS lite because of full usage of Xtransceiver, making use of camera in DSi. That makes gen 5 looking like being made especially for DSi, not for DS and DS lite. Gen 4 was DS generation, gen 5 is DSi generation. Seeing how gen 5 is DSi generation it makes sense to make R/S remakes in gen 5 because DSi and newer models don't have GBA slot. That's one of reasons why I think R/S remakes should be done in gen 5.

Another reason is return of Dive as HM. Thanks to that, R/S remakes make very much sense to be done in gen 5. It's similar how visible day/night system returned in gen 4, making it possible to make G/S remakes in gen 4.

C Payne

Hoenn in 3D!

Male
Va
Seen August 22nd, 2014
Posted October 10th, 2013
454 posts
11.7 Years
Kanto is not like Hoenn. That's why I think FR/LG were so simplified and released so quickly because Kanto would never be so advanced in region features like Hoenn. I think the real style of making remakes started in gen 4 because Johto and Sinnoh actually resemble each other, the same like Hoenn and Unova. It doesn't really matter that Unova hasn't so much water like Hoenn - both regions make use of Dive as HM and that's what really matter. Interesting thing is that water theme in Unova is going to be expanded in B2/W2 and that's going to make Unova look even more like Hoenn.
Just because there's a water gym? Take a look at the map again. I have yet to see a vast improvement in 'water routes', as of yet anyways.


Isn't that suspicious they made totally different themes for Gym Leaders and Elite 4 only for R/S/E and B/W? Why did GF do that?
Also, like I said before, Gym Leaders themes for Hoenn and Unova don't sound similar if someone doesn't compare them carefully. I did compare them and their compositions are very much alike. Why did GF focused so much on Hoenn's Gym Leader theme while making Unova's Gym Leader theme? They could focus on any other region. It's the same like GF focused on Johto's music while making two of Sinnoh's music tracks. It's because from gen 4 they started to focus on previous regions they plan to remake in current generation.
I think what he was trying to say is...why would they base a whole NEW region as one big hint for remakes? You're using the music and almost everything about the region as if it's a big arrow-like landmass pointing at Hoenn. That would almost defeat the purpose in having a new region to begin with, it takes the spotlight off itself(in favor of what it shouldn't be on) when it in fact should be there, on itself.


To make it clear - DSi and newer models are recommended platforms for B/W, not original DS and DS lite because of full usage of Xtransceiver, making use of camera in DSi. That makes gen 5 looking like being made especially for DSi, not for DS and DS lite. Gen 4 was DS generation, gen 5 is DSi generation. Seeing how gen 5 is DSi generation it makes sense to make R/S remakes in gen 5 because DSi and newer models don't have GBA slot. That's one of reasons why I think R/S remakes should be done in gen 5.

Another reason is return of Dive as HM. Thanks to that, R/S remakes make very much sense to be done in gen 5. It's similar how visible day/night system returned in gen 4, making it possible to make G/S remakes in gen 4.
Gen 5 may be the 'Dsi' gen, but that doesn't have a big 'remake' stamped on it.

Dive may be hinting at the remakes, but we have no specific time to look at, as they can pop up anytime. The only thing we have atm that would be in favor of them popping up at the end of this gen is the fact that BW2 are being released a bit earlier than the usual main games; even then, it could be to end this gen as soon as they can.

I want to be in the 'have them asap' boat as well, but I think the 3DS could do them a lot more justice.
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

Source: http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Hoenn-BW-styled-map-251951922
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
Just because there's a water gym? Take a look at the map again. I have yet to see a vast improvement in 'water routes', as of yet anyways.
There will be expansion of water theme in B2/W2. So far we know that protagonists are wearing swimsuits, there's underwater tunnel, water gym. Also, there probably will be tropical beach town in Unova just like in Hoenn...


I think what he was trying to say is...why would they base a whole NEW region as one big hint for remakes? You're using the music and almost everything about the region as if it's a big arrow-like landmass pointing at Hoenn. That would almost defeat the purpose in having a new region to begin with, it takes the spotlight off itself(in favor of what it shouldn't be on) when it in fact should be there, on itself.
I didn't say Unova was made only to be hint for remakes. I'm only pointing out its similarities to Hoenn because there are actual similarities.


I thought now that there is problem with Hoenn for 3DS... Full 3d game for 3DS would require large region with cities full of buildings which would actually look like real cities. B/W started it with having Castelia being actually big, but that's only one city.
Honestly, is Hoenn really complex enough to be made for 3DS? It doesn't have large cities, bridges, etc. Imo Hoenn wouldn't make use of 3DS graphics like new, large region would do. I think Hoenn would look perfectly fine in B/W and B2/W2 engine. I'd prefer to save 3DS for new large region, designed for making use of 3DS' potential. Look at this from developers' point of view. Why would they make full 3d engine for region which doesn't really have anything worth rendering to full 3d? Hoenn doesn't even have a single city which is even close to size of Castelia.

C Payne

Hoenn in 3D!

Male
Va
Seen August 22nd, 2014
Posted October 10th, 2013
454 posts
11.7 Years
There will be expansion of water theme in B2/W2. So far we know that protagonists are wearing swimsuits, there's underwater tunnel, water gym. Also, there probably will be tropical beach town in Unova just like in Hoenn...
Now swimsuits as a hint? If that's the case, wouldn't nearly all regions be remade this gen? Gen I: Cerulean City had a pool gym, with swimmers; Gen II: whirl island area with swimmers; Gen III: Obviously has swimmers, etc.


I didn't say Unova was made only to be hint for remakes. I'm only pointing out its similarities to Hoenn because there are actual similarities.


I thought now that there is problem with Hoenn for 3DS... Full 3d game for 3DS would require large region with cities full of buildings which would actually look like real cities. B/W started it with having Castelia being actually big, but that's only one city.
Honestly, is Hoenn really complex enough to be made for 3DS? It doesn't have large cities, bridges, etc. Imo Hoenn wouldn't make use of 3DS graphics like new, large region would do. I think Hoenn would look perfectly fine in B/W and B2/W2 engine. I'd prefer to save 3DS for new large region, designed for making use of 3DS' potential. Look at this from developers' point of view. Why would they make full 3d engine for region which doesn't really have anything worth rendering to full 3d? Hoenn doesn't even have a single city which is even close to size of Castelia.
What does that have to do with anything, in all honesty? There's more to a region than just cities. Not to sound rude, but when did I even say they would develop the engines for the remakes either way? They more than likely would start it off with a new region. By the logic you are going with(cities), even Unova wouldn't fit the bill because only Castelia would be worth making.

Also, it's pretty obvious that they could easily expand the amount of buildings, etc. Hoenn is even bigger than Unova region-wise and diversity(judging by the games mainly), compare the maps if you fail to see it.

You even forgot about how much cities like Sootopolis(that's even huge, and inside a crater at that; could really benefit from 360 degrees), Fortree City(houses in trees), the views from Mt. Pyre and Mt. Chimney, Mossdeep and the Space Center, inside dive areas, and even the VAST ocean. 3D effects would do greatly as well, with the weather and all. There's tons that could be done to greatly improve the whole 'nature' region that is Hoenn.

No offense, but how can you not see what could be done? Are you wanting them that badly 'right now'?

If it wasn't for the fact that they had gotten a start so early, Unova probably would've been in 3D as well; so that is no excuse to keep RS for the DS(i), if they did happen to start near or after they got the 3DS dev kit.

Once again, I see a small possibility of it being for the DS(i), I'm just trying to point out that they could do them much better justice with the 3DS, imo.
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

Source: http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Hoenn-BW-styled-map-251951922
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
Now swimsuits as a hint? If that's the case, wouldn't nearly all regions be remade this gen? Gen I: Cerulean City had a pool gym, with swimmers; Gen II: whirl island area with swimmers; Gen III: Obviously has swimmers, etc.
Not generally swimmers, but protagonists living in water themed area. It's really something that reminds of Hoenn.


What does that have to do with anything, in all honesty? There's more to a region than just cities. Not to sound rude, but when did I even say they would develop the engines for the remakes either way? They more than likely would start it off with a new region. By the logic you are going with(cities), even Unova wouldn't fit the bill because only Castelia would be worth making.

Also, it's pretty obvious that they could easily expand the amount of buildings, etc. Hoenn is even bigger than Unova region-wise and diversity(judging by the games mainly), compare the maps if you fail to see it.

You even forgot about how much cities like Sootopolis(that's even huge, and inside a crater at that; could really benefit from 360 degrees), Fortree City(houses in trees), the views from Mt. Pyre and Mt. Chimney, Mossdeep and the Space Center, inside dive areas, and even the VAST ocean. 3D effects would do greatly as well, with the weather and all. There's tons that could be done to greatly improve the whole 'nature' region that is Hoenn.

No offense, but how can you not see what could be done? Are you wanting them that badly 'right now'?

If it wasn't for the fact that they had gotten a start so early, Unova probably would've been in 3D as well; so that is no excuse to keep RS for the DS(i), if they did happen to start near or after they got the 3DS dev kit.

Once again, I see a small possibility of it being for the DS(i), I'm just trying to point out that they could do them much better justice with the 3DS, imo.
They could expand every city in Hoenn with lots of new buildings and add 3d surroundings, but that would make remakes too much different from original versions. They're remakes after all, not 3d visualizations. Anyway, even after expansion, none of Hoenn cities would have that "big city" look like Castelia did.

Having B2/W2 as first sequels to main game in Pokemon history was really valid reason to remake Unova into full 3d for 3DS, but GF still didn't do it. Imo Unova is designed to be looking good in modern graphics more than Hoenn, so if GF refused to make Unova for 3DS, I doubt they will make Hoenn for 3DS.

blue

gucci

Male
United Kingdom
Seen September 26th, 2021
Posted August 7th, 2019
21,056 posts
15.4 Years
ok people, R/B were remade in Gen III, G/S were remade in Gen IV, if R/S aren't remade in Gen V, then they will be remade in Gen VI, I personally would rather have Yellow remade so I could get all 3 starters again, but R/S are good too
Either that or we won't get the remakes at all, since the announcement of B2W2 we have no idea what Game Freak will do next.
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
I'd say that R/S remakes for DS, more precisely for DSi, will be the last remakes ever because I don't think they will remake D/P/Pt and B/W/B2/W2. One reason is that Platinum storyline would make no sense to be mixed with Diamond or Pearl and Black2/White2 storyline would be impossible to be mixed with Black/White.

Another reason is 3DS' capabilities. I honestly don't see Hoenn/Sinnoh/Unova needing to be made for 3DS simply because they are not complex enough. I think 6 gen region for 3DS should be something looking like real world with streets full of people and cars, not little towns with some buildings. I wish that new region would be something like one big city divided into districts instead of towns.
Male
Seen April 14th, 2013
Posted April 13th, 2013
283 posts
11.2 Years
I'd say that R/S remakes for DS, more precisely for DSi, will be the last remakes ever because I don't think they will remake D/P/Pt and B/W/B2/W2.
Since they are promoting the 3DS with AR Searcher for B2/W2, there's no reason they'd choose to go backwards and focus on the DSi for R/S/E remakes.

And why can't later games be remade as well? Who says they HAVE to combine 3 games into 2 for remakes to work? The only reason it worked before was because there was no huge differences in the stories, and they could easily have been just added to one another, which is why the Crystal story about Suicune was added. I believe now there could be a chance that if Gen 3 remakes happen, they may actually remake Ruby, Sapphire AND Emerald since the stories are so different.

One reason is that Platinum storyline would make no sense to be mixed with Diamond or Pearl and Black2/White2 storyline would be impossible to be mixed with Black/White.
Platinum is too different from Diamond and Pearl, but Emerald isn't too different from Ruby and Sapphire?

And why can't they just remake Black and White, and Black 2 and White 2 later? A remake keeps the same basic story, so there's no need to change it. If compatibility is lost with these games in the future, there's no reason they couldn't be remade as well.

Another reason is 3DS' capabilities. I honestly don't see Hoenn/Sinnoh/Unova needing to be made for 3DS simply because they are not complex enough.
What do you mean by "not complex enough"? A region's design shouldn't determine whether or not it can be re-modeled into a 3D form, assuming Pokemon were to ever truly become fully 3D in the first place, as they have already said they prefer 2D sprites for the main series.

I think 6 gen region for 3DS should be something looking like real world with streets full of people and cars, not little towns with some buildings. I wish that new region would be something like one big city divided into districts instead of towns.
So, Gen 6 should just be one city rather than an entire country/region? How would Gym battles work if we stay in 1 city? Plus, Pokemon doesn't need to be realistic since it is a fantasy world.
"Believe in yourself and create your own destiny. Don't fear failure." - Only Toonami
=====

Pokemon White 2 Team:

Xander Olivieri

Seen 2 Days Ago
Posted November 8th, 2022
5,616 posts
13 Years
Just wanna say one thing. There has only ever been 1 DSi Game in existence when the DSi first came out and never has there been one after that. If RSE are made again for this current Generation it will be a DS game, not a DSi game. For it to be a DSi Game the entire game would need to be around the camera function like the original DSi game was.

Its the DS series as a whole that is slowly being shut down, the DSi have maybe a year or so left before Nintendo shuts that one down at the very least. Considering I see the remakes appearing no later than 2014, I see them on the 3DS as well.

As for complexity, there are some very simple 3DS games and there are some very complex DS games. Connectivity isn't an issue as 3DS's do have the original DS's engine in it as well, no one said a 3DS game shouldn't be able to connect with a DS game, they just haven't made one that does yet.

Pretty much all arguments against making it for the 3DS are as superficial as the reasons for remaking the Gen 3 games in the first place. None of them need to be done, but can be done.

Also another superficial connection just randomly thought up.

RBY = Gameboy
GSC = Gameboy Color
RSE/FRLG = Gameboy Advance (First Remakes was on the third Generation system)
DPPt/HGSS = Nintendo DS (Second Remake on Fourth Generation System)

Now Black and White broke the order for Main Series games coming out on the next generation model. As the Fifth Generation System is the 3DS, but if the remakes continue in that order they could come out for the 3DS. The Remakes skip a 1 System update and move to the next Generation.

This fits about as well as the every 10 year thing.

C Payne

Hoenn in 3D!

Male
Va
Seen August 22nd, 2014
Posted October 10th, 2013
454 posts
11.7 Years
They could expand every city in Hoenn with lots of new buildings and add 3d surroundings, but that would make remakes too much different from original versions. They're remakes after all, not 3d visualizations. Anyway, even after expansion, none of Hoenn cities would have that "big city" look like Castelia did.

Having B2/W2 as first sequels to main game in Pokemon history was really valid reason to remake Unova into full 3d for 3DS, but GF still didn't do it. Imo Unova is designed to be looking good in modern graphics more than Hoenn, so if GF refused to make Unova for 3DS, I doubt they will make Hoenn for 3DS.
I'm sorry, but that made my day.

By what you're saying, why even make remakes then? Remakes are supposed to build upon the storyline/visuals to make an overall better experience.

Ask yourself these questions: Was there a Safari Zone in the original GSC? Was there a Pokethlon in the originals? Was there a BF in the originals? The same goes for any other area changes.

I highly doubt adding in new buildings to town, and I mean regular buildings, with regular people talking about regular Hoenn things, would ruin it and cause them to seem too far from the originals; if anything, they'd feel a little more lively.



Anyways...the buggy thing about this all is that we have no idea how a 3DS region will look like, although that makes trying to picture Hoenn on the 3DS even more exciting. Right now I have a sudden urge to restart Emerald and/or RS yet again, for the heck of it.
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

Source: http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Hoenn-BW-styled-map-251951922
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
Platinum is too different from Diamond and Pearl, but Emerald isn't too different from Ruby and Sapphire?
We discussed it before, Emerald is not different enough to not being able to be mixed with Ruby or Sapphire. Platinum completely cancels Diamond and Pearl storylines and is unable to be mixed.


So, Gen 6 should just be one city rather than an entire country/region? How would Gym battles work if we stay in 1 city? Plus, Pokemon doesn't need to be realistic since it is a fantasy world.
Every district of that city could have its Gym Leader. And the whole city would be still called "region", with the difference that it would be more urbanized than previous regions. Region like that would totally make use of 3DS' capabilities, with all that urban architecture and upstate areas.


Anyways...the buggy thing about this all is that we have no idea how a 3DS region will look like, although that makes trying to picture Hoenn on the 3DS even more exciting.
I have doubts about Hoenn being made for 3DS because I think that game for 3DS should have ability to rotate view in 360 degrees and Hoenn wasn't originally designed for that purpose. It's the same like Unova wasn't originally designed for 360 degrees and that wasn't changed in B2/W2.
That's why the only way I can agree about R/S remakes being made for 3DS is the situation when GF would make them only for 3DS to improve 3DS sales, but it would be basically the same engine like in B/W, preprogrammed for 3DS with some 3d details added. Those remakes wouldn't be "full" 3d game, and they wouldn't feature 360 degrees view rotation.

Xander Olivieri

Seen 2 Days Ago
Posted November 8th, 2022
5,616 posts
13 Years
We discussed it before, Emerald is not different enough to not being able to be mixed with Ruby or Sapphire. Platinum completely cancels Diamond and Pearl storylines and is unable to be mixed.
Um...no. Emerald and Platinum do the exact same thing. They combine the two individual stories into one game, and then adds its own spin on it. Pearl and Diamond have a better chance of having Platinum's game story added into them seeing as unlike Ruby and Sapphire, Pearl and Diamond had carbon copy journeys with no changes between them for different teams.

Platinum only changed a few location looks as well as very minor changes to the story up until you get to spear pillar where like in DP Cyrus summons the legendary Pokemon and is stopped before realizing his goal. Difference here is in Pt Cyrus is stopped by Giratina and in DP he is stopped by the three fairies.

Emerald added a new lair for Magma which would have to be added as well as had them constantly switch up on who was the dominant bad guy, then had you leave sootopolis to get Rayquaza to stop their fighting.

Both triads are identical in the third game fused the stories together, but Platinum being mixed in has a better chance than Emerald being mixed in does seeing as Ruby and Sapphire are the only two Pokemon games that have dynamic differences. Its also the only game whose not separated mainly by the Mascot legend. The Bad Guys also separate the game. And Emerald changes the story flow just as much if not more than Platinum did.

MaddogSix

Comp. Programmer/Online Gamer

Male
Jacksonville, IL
Seen April 12th, 2016
Posted May 22nd, 2012
33 posts
11.2 Years
ok, GF & Nintendo both know that if they do remakes of R/S, they will make lots of money, so they will almost definitely do it, either in Gen 5 or Gen 6
Reasons for Gen 5: Make Hoenn region for DSi and 3DS, Money sooner
Reasons for Gen 6: Completely overhaul the look and feel with full 3D capabilities, Gen 6 might not be compatible with Gen 3 at all

C Payne

Hoenn in 3D!

Male
Va
Seen August 22nd, 2014
Posted October 10th, 2013
454 posts
11.7 Years
I have doubts about Hoenn being made for 3DS because I think that game for 3DS should have ability to rotate view in 360 degrees and Hoenn wasn't originally designed for that purpose. It's the same like Unova wasn't originally designed for 360 degrees and that wasn't changed in B2/W2.
That's why the only way I can agree about R/S remakes being made for 3DS is the situation when GF would make them only for 3DS to improve 3DS sales, but it would be basically the same engine like in B/W, preprogrammed for 3DS with some 3d details added. Those remakes wouldn't be "full" 3d game, and they wouldn't feature 360 degrees view rotation.
No offense, but duh...the Gba would have been no where near capable of pulling something like a real 360 view off. Have you heard of Sootopolis? It's located within a crater)surrounding the middle 'lake', so that right there is an example of something that would benefit from having a 360 view.

The part how you see them being on the 3DS makes little sense as well. Why would they waste branding it as a 3DS game if it is just going to be mainly DS engine? That would be better off as just a DS game, but with 3DS enhancements; which is what they should have done with BW2(as far as we know, they said we could play them in '2d' on the 3DS in one of those descriptions).
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

Source: http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Hoenn-BW-styled-map-251951922
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
No offense, but duh...the Gba would have been no where near capable of pulling something like a real 360 view off. Have you heard of Sootopolis? It's located within a crater)surrounding the middle 'lake', so that right there is an example of something that would benefit from having a 360 view.

The part how you see them being on the 3DS makes little sense as well. Why would they waste branding it as a 3DS game if it is just going to be mainly DS engine? That would be better off as just a DS game, but with 3DS enhancements; which is what they should have done with BW2(as far as we know, they said we could play them in '2d' on the 3DS in one of those descriptions).
I still think R/S remakes should be DS game. But if 3DS promotion is needed so badly, I said I can agree with being them branded on 3DS with some new 3d graphic effects just for 3DS selling purpose. But basically they should stay in B/W engine to keep connection with 5 gen.

You don't have to explain something that obvious like GBA being incapable of handling 360 view.
You say about Sootopolis crater benefiting from free 360 view. I've got a bit different idea about this. I can see view angles in Sootopolis changing automatically while player is walking in that city, the same like in places like Castelia or Skyarrow Bridge. In the same way, I can see view angles changing automatically while surfing on those vast ocean routes and while sailing with Mr. Briney to Dewford and Slateport. Free 360 view is not really necessary imo.

C Payne

Hoenn in 3D!

Male
Va
Seen August 22nd, 2014
Posted October 10th, 2013
454 posts
11.7 Years
I still think R/S remakes should be DS game. But if 3DS promotion is needed so badly, I said I can agree with being them branded on 3DS with some new 3d graphic effects just for 3DS selling purpose. But basically they should stay in B/W engine to keep connection with 5 gen.

You don't have to explain something that obvious like GBA being incapable of handling 360 view.
You say about Sootopolis crater benefiting from free 360 view. I've got a bit different idea about this. I can see view angles in Sootopolis changing automatically while player is walking in that city, the same like in places like Castelia or Skyarrow Bridge. In the same way, I can see view angles changing automatically while surfing on those vast ocean routes and while sailing with Mr. Briney to Dewford and Slateport. Free 360 view is not really necessary imo.
Then what need is there for a free 360 view if the game is going to just be one big sandbox(which you suggested before as like one big city? with different sections)? I was using that as an example because of you saying that nothing would really utilize it, when it could get the job done better than just an automatic rotational view.

Also, there still would be no point in branding them as full 3DS games if they would basically be mostly DS; since the 3DS has DS parts in it obv, they should just keep them for DS, just with 3DS enhancements. It would be a waste otherwise, imo at least.
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

Source: http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Hoenn-BW-styled-map-251951922
Male
Seen January 13th, 2013
Posted August 5th, 2012
497 posts
11.4 Years
Then what need is there for a free 360 view if the game is going to just be one big sandbox(which you suggested before as like one big city? with different sections)? I was using that as an example because of you saying that nothing would really utilize it, when it could get the job done better than just an automatic rotational view.

Also, there still would be no point in branding them as full 3DS games if they would basically be mostly DS; since the 3DS has DS parts in it obv, they should just keep them for DS, just with 3DS enhancements. It would be a waste otherwise, imo at least.
Imo Hoenn, like all other regions created so far, is too small and too simple for getting full 360 view. I think full 360 view will be introduced with new region, designed like real city, not like little "cities" created so far. Castelia is now the closest city in main Pokemon games to that idea.

Imo automatic changes of view like in B/W would be perfect for Sootopolis - when player would be standing on entrance dive spot there would be view of the whole city. When player would be getting closer to gym, view would be getting closer to gym as well. When player would go to left or right side of city, view would also move to left or right side. And finally, when player would be getting close to Cave of Origin entrance, view would be going back to centered point.

Surfing on vast ocean routes and sailing with Mr. Briney could work as Hoenn's counterparts to passing Unova's Skyarrow Bridge, featuring many view eagles changing automatically.
Male
Seen April 14th, 2013
Posted April 13th, 2013
283 posts
11.2 Years
I really don't think Pokemon is going to have full 360 degree view. Even of Colosseum and XD we kept a very similar viewing standard with the games, only with it changing as needed like in B/W and being able to move more than just up, down, left and right.

The 3DS will just be able to generate better graphics and possibly allow for 3D characters and Pokemon battles, but then how would catching wild Pokemon in the grass work if they go full 3D?

I heard that Game Freak prefers the main games to keep the 2d sprites, so it's very possible that even with a jump to the 3DS, we'll still see 2D sprites return, which isn't really a bad thing as long as the games are fun.
"Believe in yourself and create your own destiny. Don't fear failure." - Only Toonami
=====

Pokemon White 2 Team:

C Payne

Hoenn in 3D!

Male
Va
Seen August 22nd, 2014
Posted October 10th, 2013
454 posts
11.7 Years
Well even if they were like Colosseum and XD, I wouldn't complain; loved those games. The thing about that is...how would a real overworld work with something like that? Catching Pokemon would be the same as like any battle on those games, except hopefully more fast-paced.

Btw, wombat, I'm not saying it wouldn't work out, I'm just saying it would work well with what I was saying too.

I mean I love sprites and all, but it would be nice to see them gone at least at some point. As far as I know, each angle and stuff of each Poke has to be redrawn and such, so that adds up to a lot of work...which is where the 3D designs of them come in. It would work out for sprites to stay if they just kept like they were doing, with there being one design for each class, etc. and just adding them all over; on top of that, Pokes being the ones in 3D(I guess in battles at least) would be a lot less work for them.


Wait a minute...maybe they could do like the 'entrance' scenes? Like how when you leave for a new town, it just shows you moving away from your current one in a little clip; that could work for switching between towns and routes, etc. I guess, although might be odd. I'm not sure how they'd work it out too well without a free 360 view.

Also, voicerocker, are you saying like a Colosseum style movement and such, but with more of a halfway top down view? Kind of like our standard view now, but just with enhanced graphics and free movement?
Don't you think Hoenn deserves to be at least this beautiful?

Source: http://pokemon-diamond.deviantart.com/art/Hoenn-BW-styled-map-251951922

Xander Olivieri

Seen 2 Days Ago
Posted November 8th, 2022
5,616 posts
13 Years
im curious to see if they did remake these two games...what the differences would be from the originals
Like the other remakes, hardly any changes would be made to the main story. It would still be the same Story as Ruby and Sapphire. They'd just throw in a small change to some of the cities, maybe add in a few extra traps to the gyms if they don't change the Gym Layout.

A few teams may be redone. And there is the after E4 extra story/Features (Like FR/LG's Sevii Island thing since unlike Gold/Silver, Ruby and Sapphire didn't have an after story.)

Any changes to the story would be small or to give small characters a larger part in the story (Kimono Girls in HG/SS and Bill in FR/LG)

How you get Items would prolly change as well, as a few story items were recieved differently in the Remakes than the originals.

Either way, the games will just be visually updated versions of Ruby and Sapphire. That's pretty much all remakes are.