5th Gen New Types? Page 27

Started by ChrisTom May 16th, 2010 3:31 PM
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Okay honestly this light type I'm actually against
I'm usually for a lot of things
The fact is light (to me) would only make sense to be super effective against dark and ghost.
I don't see how it would make sense for it be super effective against dragon types.
Also something people seem to be forgetting to mention is the fact that dragon is also super effective against dragon...not just ice.
Bug has the power it deserves now with actual good attacks like x-scissor as bug is actually super effective against the ever so powerful psychic types.
I was a huge fan of scizor in SS/HG for that reason.
I will give you the benefit for poison being underpowered and everybody only using toxic as it's the only move actually worth using it seems.
I don't see how light would be super effective against poison either but I guess it could be stretched.

Yeah, and then how can you see that ICE could be super effective against Dragon types? The truth is, the dragon type is basically a mix of the flying type and the normal type, but since everyone thinks of them as really powerful pokemon, they don't have those same weaknesses. But since they had to be weak to something, they chose Ice because its powerful against few things (Grass).

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NO LIGHT TYPE. or any new type.

all they need to do is make adjustments. for example, bugs should not be weak against rock type anymore.
exactly!! ive always thought this!! bug losing its rock weakness would really help it cos not only is being weak to rock type moves themselves annoying but stealth rock (which i feel should be weakened CONSIDERABLY this generation) destroys bug pokemon who are easy to finish off because of all there weaknesses..

plus poison needs to be super effective against i think 2 more types would be fair? i was thinking dragon and flying..
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I'd see Light as a fairly balancing type.

Let's see how.

Super Effective:

Looking over possibilities as both a photon and a purity form, these types come to mind:

Dragon, Dark, Ghost, Water, Steel

Steel is highly reflective and will leave a great glare and will burn to the touch. Water is too, and focused photons can vaporize it.

Dragon, Dark and Ghost are the 'evil' types vanquished by warriors of light... with orbs... warm destiny orbs!

So that's a bunch of common types countered there.

But where would it fall flat?

Fire, Ice, Electric, Poison

Fire and Electric would mostly be empowered. Ice needs a new resistance and Ice looks nice and shiny in the right light. Poisonous clouds deny sunlight: ask planet Venus!

Immune Types as I could see it.

Grass, Psychic.

Psychics are 'enlightened', thus above the light that is to be. Grass just absorbs it because its yummy sunlight!


As a defensive type.... things get interesting.

Weakness wise its a bit hard to say the way things could be.

Ghost, Poison, Psychic, Dragon

Simple enough. Poison murks up light types and ghost or shadows just block the light away. Dragons can use their mysticness to siphon it and psychics enlighten themselves even further! Lots of underrep'd types attackwise.

But what doesn't hit hard?

Fire, Ice, Electric, Ground, Rock, Fight

The physical earth cannot beat the light which enriches soil and the bright fires and sparks cannot really harm it. Can you punch intangible light without being Chuck Norris? Go ahead, punch a star! Ice will start to melt...ish.

Types Light could be immune to:

Dark

Shadows may pass, but you cannot absense the light without gravity!


So let's see what it does to the type chart:

New SE hits for Poison and Ghost! SHWEET!
Ice/Electric and Rock/Ground/Fight resist? Double sweet!
New SE dragon hit and dragon slayer? Awesome?
A middle finger for Spiritomb, Seadra, and all 3 Sinnoh Legendary dragons? Can't complain!
Grass and psychic get an immunity? Uh, Okay.

The only thing missing is something to give electricity a second weakness.


This post is Ironic because its the 666th response!
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Agreed, Dilasc. I think the Light type doesn't need to be considered only to do with photons or only to do with purity/holiness; why not both? That's how Dark is conceived - both as a lack of physical light, for example Faint Attack or Pursuit, and also as impurity or "evil", like Dark Pulse or Bite.

Check out this thread. You'll see that BleuVII has conceived the Light-type - and its various type matchups - pretty similarly to how you have. For the skeptics out there - it's clearly not too close to Psychic as a type, if two completely separate people have managed to put a bit of thought into it and come up with perfectly reasonable concepts.

Oh, and the number of the beast is 616, not 666...

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Oh, and the number of the beast is 616, not 666...
Not buying it, even the latin vulgate bible says 666 which is the most accurate readings, all bibles todays are translations from the latin vulgate.

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I would like to see Plastic Type for the man-made pokemon.
Haha, oh man :'D That'd be so weird.



Anyway, I don't think there's any need for a new type, although I would like to see some adjustments to existing types.

The point is, a LOT of people would get angry if a new typing was introduced this late... plus they'd have to change the typings of a lot of existing moves and muck up people's "perfect" movesets etc etc

Also, there isn't a dire need for a new type, I think we have all the types we need and it's just silly wanting even more :/
what jigglypuff?

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Haha, oh man :'D That'd be so weird.



Anyway, I don't think there's any need for a new type, although I would like to see some adjustments to existing types.

The point is, a LOT of people would get angry if a new typing was introduced this late... plus they'd have to change the typings of a lot of existing moves and muck up people's "perfect" movesets etc etc

Also, there isn't a dire need for a new type, I think we have all the types we need and it's just silly wanting even more :/
ya adjustments would be great cos a lot of people are just instantly consigned to the scrap heap when they are giving a certain typing and its not really fair for them

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Adding a light type to balance the types smh...obviously some of you guys haven't read up on the thread. That's already been discussed and taken apart. All you need is a solid ice move to combat your feisty dragons. Most of them carry a 4x weakness...and don't even mention Kingdra because it doesn't compare to the likes of Dragonite/Salamence/Garchomp, hell even Flygon. Also, I just don't see how practical it is to add the light type for this.

Also, bug will always be weak to rock. That's just common sense.
~bug go squishy squishy!
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Adding a light type to balance the types smh...obviously some of you guys haven't read up on the thread. That's already been discussed and taken apart. All you need is a solid ice move to combat your feisty dragons. Most of them carry a 4x weakness...and don't even mention Kingdra because it doesn't compare to the likes of Dragonite/Salamence/Garchomp, hell even Flygon. Also, I just don't see how practical it is to add the light type for this.

Also, bug will always be weak to rock. That's just common sense.
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I don't think the real problem is that Dragons are overpowered, because of the 4x weaknesses you mentioned. I think the real problem, why Pokemon isn't as balanced as people seem to claim it is, is that types like Poison, Bug and Normal are so clearly underpowered. That's what a new type could bring - a bit more strength to the weaker types, while potentially undermining the current "stronger" types. While "strong" and "weak" types exist, the game isn't balanced, by definition.

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Not buying it, even the latin vulgate bible says 666 which is the most accurate readings, all bibles todays are translations from the latin vulgate.
You realize he is getting information from a wiki page right... that just proves that you can't argue with it... If he is wrong he can edit the page and make himself right xD

I'd see Light as a fairly balancing type.

Let's see how.

Super Effective:

Looking over possibilities as both a photon and a purity form, these types come to mind:

Dragon, Dark, Ghost, Water, Steel

Steel is highly reflective and will leave a great glare and will burn to the touch. Water is too, and focused photons can vaporize it.

Dragon, Dark and Ghost are the 'evil' types vanquished by warriors of light... with orbs... warm destiny orbs!

So that's a bunch of common types countered there.

But where would it fall flat?

Fire, Ice, Electric, Poison

Fire and Electric would mostly be empowered. Ice needs a new resistance and Ice looks nice and shiny in the right light. Poisonous clouds deny sunlight: ask planet Venus!

Immune Types as I could see it.

Grass, Psychic.

Psychics are 'enlightened', thus above the light that is to be. Grass just absorbs it because its yummy sunlight!


As a defensive type.... things get interesting.

Weakness wise its a bit hard to say the way things could be.

Ghost, Poison, Psychic, Dragon

Simple enough. Poison murks up light types and ghost or shadows just block the light away. Dragons can use their mysticness to siphon it and psychics enlighten themselves even further! Lots of underrep'd types attackwise.

But what doesn't hit hard?

Fire, Ice, Electric, Ground, Rock, Fight

The physical earth cannot beat the light which enriches soil and the bright fires and sparks cannot really harm it. Can you punch intangible light without being Chuck Norris? Go ahead, punch a star! Ice will start to melt...ish.

Types Light could be immune to:

Dark

Shadows may pass, but you cannot absense the light without gravity!


So let's see what it does to the type chart:

New SE hits for Poison and Ghost! SHWEET!
Ice/Electric and Rock/Ground/Fight resist? Double sweet!
New SE dragon hit and dragon slayer? Awesome?
A middle finger for Spiritomb, Seadra, and all 3 Sinnoh Legendary dragons? Can't complain!
Grass and psychic get an immunity? Uh, Okay.

The only thing missing is something to give electricity a second weakness.


This post is Ironic because its the 666th response!
Wouldn't Steel and Water be Resisted as hell with a Light type? Steel would reflect the light back and Water doesn't carry light...
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what kind of light are you speaking? Some may be thinking Light as is 'light from a flashlight' or light as in 'holiness light' both of which is different.

flashlight light:

Weakness - Steel, Dark, Grass, Fire and Psychic.
Resistant - Ghost, Bug, and Electric
Strong against - Ghost, Bug, and Dark

Holiness Light -

Strong against - Poison, Ghost, Dark (e.i. cleansing from sickness and evils)
Resistant to - Dark, Poison, Fire
Weak against - Ice, Dragon and Normal.


It really is hard to say what a light type would be like, considering some of us have been arguing two different things. Dark type actually flips bakc and forth from ill-will attacks with nocturnal pokemon. (Although there are some ill will pokemon)

Truthfully Psychic type is not light type nor anywhere near light type.

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You realize he is getting information from a wiki page right... that just proves that you can't argue with it... If he is wrong he can edit the page and make himself right xD
If you're that concerned I might be lying, here is a (non-Wikipedia) link to why 616 is nowadays considered at least as likely as 666. And just for the fun of it, here is another.

It hardly matters anyway - it can't prove it either way, the most I can offer is that 666 isn't definitely the number of the beast, and nor is 616. And either way, I don't believe in all that so I frankly couldn't care less! :D

Anyways, on-topic:

what kind of light are you speaking? Some may be thinking Light as is 'light from a flashlight' or light as in 'holiness light' both of which is different.
Personally I think a bit of both, as I mentioned in my last post. I think they could be combined in the way Dark is (for me, although others would disagree) a combination of a lack of light and a lack of purity. Also, Psychic seems to be a combination of a mental focus/ability and an innate goodness (I don't personally see the latter particularly - I don't understand how people see Alakazam, Mewtwo, Hypno or Claydol as "good" as opposed to Dark's "evil." I think they all look quite sinister, myself).

Finally:

How is Normal underpowered? Did we forget about Snorlax, Miltank, Tauros, Slaking? You catch my drift; the list goes on..

Not to mention the variety and creativity of movesets for them.
You kinda made my point for me there - those Normal-type Pokemon may not be underpowered (stats-wise), but Normal-type moves definitely are, otherwise they wouldn't need such flexible movesets to be useful Pokemon. Likewise, Gengar isn't a useless Pokemon just because he's part-Poison-type, but I can't imagine there are many Gengars with Sludge Bomb in their moveset. Sludge Bomb may be a powerful and accurate move, with the benefit of STAB for Gengar, but Poison moves have such poor type matchups that it'd be a wasted move when Gengar could use something to cover his weaknesses instead.
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The Light I proposed was a revision from an old version of my Light type which was a bit different balanced around the fact that it had 6 other types to go with it: Magic, Gravity, Time, Wind, Wood and Acid and from the spreadsheet I made with them, they seemed to balance out nicely, granting types what they need in most cases:

A type to be immune to rock: (Magic)
Ice gets some defensive resists: (Light, Gravity, Time)
Poison Gets some SE Use: (Magic, Light, Wood, Acid)
Electric gets new weaknesses: (Magic, Time, Wood)
Steel gets some niche from being inferior to fighting as an attack type: (SE vs magic, wood)
Types that resist nasty combos like Fire/Dragon, Ground/Dragon, Ghost/Fight and Ice/Electric, and Rock/Ground

Defensive precense for Grass helps in immunity to light...

Actually when all's said and done, the only types that wind up without anything immune to them are Grass, Water, Bug.

Hmmm, it's been a while since I've tampered with my old chart...


And maybe I've derailed the topic but I will post the original Light type as though the other 6 were there with it:

Attack:
Super Effective (2x): Ghost, Water, Dragon, Dark, Steel
Not Effective (1/2): Fire, Electric, Ice, Poison, Light, Acid, Time
No Damage (0x): Grass, Psychic

Defend:
Weakness (2x): Poison, Psychic, Acid, Time
Resistance (1/2): Electric, Ice, Fight, Ghost, Light, Air
Immune (0x): Dragon, Dark

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@Dilasc

I must commend you on your 8-Bit Theater reference.

I'm glad that people are starting to accept the idea of a light type as being separate from Psychic/Electric/Fire. As we get more and more media from Game Freak, I see it as less and less likely, but I still like the idea in my head.

It's all making me want to participate in a hack project to have a creative outlet for all of these ideas. I just don't have the time to do that.
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But the light type was guaranteed! Oh lordy lololol

You kinda made my point for me there - those Normal-type Pokemon may not be underpowered (stats-wise), but Normal-type moves definitely are, otherwise they wouldn't need such flexible movesets to be useful Pokemon. Likewise, Gengar isn't a useless Pokemon just because he's part-Poison-type, but I can't imagine there are many Gengars with Sludge Bomb in their moveset. Sludge Bomb may be a powerful and accurate move, with the benefit of STAB for Gengar, but Poison moves have such poor type matchups that it'd be a wasted move when Gengar could use something to cover his weaknesses instead.

Or it could be among Gengar's strongest moves. It's all in the eye of the beholder. You're looking at type matchups whereas I am looking at strength and power. How come so many pokemon use return on their sets? You have a valid point but I was referring to something else.
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Okay, My turn for Speculation!

Hypothetical new types:

LIGHT:

The light type will be the Counterpart to Dark. Alone, this type will be pretty weak, but it counters with high Health and evasiveness.

The main moves of the light pokemon will actually be non offensive, making one on one battles hard. The main advantages come from its moves when fighting in the 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 battles

MOVES: Light types will focus on healing and distracting, stopping opponents from harming others while making sacrifices to protect themselves. The can Faint themselves to heal their teammates fully, Transfer HP from themselves, Confuse opponents with blinding attacks and use themselves as shields.

TYPE WEAKNESS: Grass, Fire, Fighting, Poison, Psychic and Electricity.

TYPE STRENGTHS: Ghost, Dark, Bug, Rock.

ARTIFICIAL:

Artificial types are types that aren't purely organic. Grimer counts as it's just "Living" radioactive sludge, and Porygon counts for being man-made.

MOVES: All of the moves are based on Normal moves.

TYPE WEAKNESS: Water (Washing them away an link to electricity) and Eletric (Powering them too much) Bug (Can affect them like water does) Ground

TYPE STRENGTHS: Poison, Psychic, Dark, (Light?) and Grass
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Not buying it, even the latin vulgate bible says 666 which is the most accurate readings, all bibles todays are translations from the latin vulgate.
OK, totally off topic, but the Vulgate is almost never used for translations anymore. The Bible is almost always translated from Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek (the three original languages) into its target language. That has been the practice for hundreds of years now.

Anyway, on topic: .EJ, I was laughing with you the first time you brought back the post about Light type being guaranteed. Now it's kind of getting old.

@Balloken - I see the appeal for making Light a defensive type, but I'd definitely like to see it as an attack type. There's room for status/support moves in there, but I don't think I'd like it if that were the dominant move type.
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If you're that concerned I might be lying, here is a (non-Wikipedia) link to why 616 is nowadays considered at least as likely as 666. And just for the fun of it, here is another.

It hardly matters anyway - it can't prove it either way, the most I can offer is that 666 isn't definitely the number of the beast, and nor is 616. And either way, I don't believe in all that so I frankly couldn't care less! :D

Anyways, on-topic:



Personally I think a bit of both, as I mentioned in my last post. I think they could be combined in the way Dark is (for me, although others would disagree) a combination of a lack of light and a lack of purity. Also, Psychic seems to be a combination of a mental focus/ability and an innate goodness (I don't personally see the latter particularly - I don't understand how people see Alakazam, Mewtwo, Hypno or Claydol as "good" as opposed to Dark's "evil." I think they all look quite sinister, myself).

Finally:



You kinda made my point for me there - those Normal-type Pokemon may not be underpowered (stats-wise), but Normal-type moves definitely are, otherwise they wouldn't need such flexible movesets to be useful Pokemon. Likewise, Gengar isn't a useless Pokemon just because he's part-Poison-type, but I can't imagine there are many Gengars with Sludge Bomb in their moveset. Sludge Bomb may be a powerful and accurate move, with the benefit of STAB for Gengar, but Poison moves have such poor type matchups that it'd be a wasted move when Gengar could use something to cover his weaknesses instead.
I'm not Christian so I don't give a rat's ass about it... But lay off the Normal type they can be just as good...Return is a Normal type move and it can kick some ass... Hyper Beam... Hell get an Eevee with a Scarf, Return, and Adaptability and watch the bodies hit the floor... I defeated Morty with my under leveled Kangaskan with only Normal type moves...
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Anyway, on topic: .EJ, I was laughing with you the first time you brought back the post about Light type being guaranteed. Now it's kind of getting old.

@Balloken - I see the appeal for making Light a defensive type, but I'd definitely like to see it as an attack type. There's room for status/support moves in there, but I don't think I'd like it if that were the dominant move type.
Yeah...I'm starting to feel cheesy by referencing him constantly...I'll stop lmao

Not that there will be one, but I see it more as a defensive type. Moves like light screen and reflect would get retyped.
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only two types i want.
SOUND
come on,
Jigglypuff
Kricketune
Exploud
Politoed
Chatot
The list goes on
and theres
Hyper Voice
Bug Buzz
Sing
Grasswhistle
etc.
and to further prove it, there is the soundproof ability.
And then there is the ??? type, which has been done, but could be further applied to
Ditto
Porygon family
Kecleon
Castform
etc.
also the moves Hidden Power, Metronome, Sketch, etc.
??? could be neutral to everything.
But that would make it 19 types, so i guess Light COULD be an acceptable type.
moved to 649, see you there!