3rd Gen Why do people hate the hoenn pokes so much? Page 2

Started by GreenLanturn June 26th, 2010 10:34 AM
  • 42686 views
  • 411 replies
Age 35
Seen July 2nd, 2017
Posted February 23rd, 2016
142 posts
17.3 Years
I've played at least one game from each generation and my hate towards R/S/E stems not from the pokemon designs, the region design, or any of the improvements. What incurs my hate are simple things.

First of all, it had a lot of hype due to the second gen which had earned all the hype with plenty of twists and turns the first time you play it. I rushed blindly into Ruby, expecting a big fake-out like the part where 2nd gen went "you beat the elite four, now you get to explore a second region!" and I was left with a tower that I never visited. At all. I was expecting a huge finale that would bring more to the post game other than "you just saved the region and you're now the Champion. Good job." In all, I was left unfulfilled.

The second thing is that they (understandable from a technological standpoint) cut out any hope of ever using the pokemon you had spent years training through two generations of games. I was a bit put-out about that.

But the biggest thing that made me hate it was the sorry excuse for a rival. I got into Pokemon to mop the floor with rivals such as Blue/Green and Silver. They made me want to work harder to beat them and I felt satisfaction when I made them scream in agony after a battle. Then I find the R/S/E rival, whose name I've forgotten cause that's how much I found him to be lackluster. Instead of making me feel just primal satisfaction towards torturing his pokemon, the game made me feel guilty for even using my best pokemon against him. I've never felt guilty for beating the rival before. That and it was creepy how the rival was stalking you... *shivers out of fear*

Go ahead and call me nostalgic, but I don't care because I also accept each gen for the good, the bad, the ugly, and all the upgrades that they bring to the next generation. I just hope that the next generation does not have these things which annoys me since two of these three are why I've barely touched my Platinum game since I bought HeartGold and SoulSilver.




Click here to see my current RMXP project!

Amore

Seen 2 Hours Ago
Posted 2 Hours Ago
5,243 posts
13.7 Years
Hmmm....I do dislike May's pathetic weakness. And how you only battle her 5 times....and she still doesn't get a Blaziken/Sceptile/Swampert. That's pathetic. I think the next Gen. got it right. You have Dawn, who's pathetic.....but then you also get your crazy rival who does a cool and over-exuberant dance, and whose pokemon actually end up stronger than G/S/C Red's pokemon!

FreakyLocz14

Conservative Patriot

Male
Seen August 29th, 2018
Posted August 28th, 2018
3,497 posts
14 Years
The Hoenn Pokemon are great. The most uncreative Pokemon are numbers 387 to 493 in the Pokedex. Sinnoh was just spammed with too many legendaries, and strange looking evos and pre-evos of past Pokemon. And Starly and Bidoof, seriously? After Hoot-Hoot/Sentret and Taillow/Zigzagoon, how many incarnations of Pidgey and Rattata do we need?

The only complaint I have about 3rd Gen is Brendan's weak Pokemon and lack of a fully evolved starter. I'd like to see that changed if these games are to be remade.

Ho-Oh

used Sacred Fire!

Age 31
Female
QLD, Australia
Seen June 5th, 2022
Posted April 23rd, 2022
35,988 posts
17.5 Years
By far, I think I've played Hoenn games the most out of all. I've manged to get 3 level 100 starters from it within the last 8 or so months, and by having both Ruby and Sapphire, I've reset many times. Why? I don't know. They're the least addictive of all the games. (Then again, I've had Pearl since 2008 and haven't felt the need to reset it, same goes for LeafGreen, which means both are more boring.) Johto and Kanto games however, have been reset, just not to the extent of R/S. I really have had no reason to play them over and over.

Overall, I hate the games. They just seem depressing and too natural for me. Reasons why? The route before Fortree was SO DAMN LONG, rained most of the time...yeah. I don't know, something about the appearance of the games just made me feel down when playing them.

The music seemed too different from Johto/Kanto's - which interested me as a child. That was the music I grew up with, although not exactly when I was a young kid, but it was an important part of my childhood. It captured the childhood innocence I had which I've now long lost. Many of the things I can remember as a child... well, Gold was apart of it. I mean, I've even had pictures taken of me playing Gold. The most stand out moment was when I finally reached the top of the Tin Tower in Gold, facing Ho-Oh, (sadly that excitement has been lost in HG, but this isn't supposed to be about why HG cannot compare to Gold for me.) However, on that point, I don't have any memories of playing R/S. At that time I'd assume I was in my late childhood to early teen years. People didn't care about Pokemon anymore. I didn't. The spark I had from Gold/Crystal, and even R/B/Y just was gone.

On a positive note for R/S, most of the Pokemon I consider to be apart of gen 1/2, due to Sinnoh's terrible Pokemon. I mean, even Torchic, one of the Hoenn starters is my favourite Pokemon overall. Sadly it didn't come from Johto - but either way, due to some of my favourites (Azurill being the second favourite from Hoenn), I don't hate Hoenn as much as I'd hate Sinnoh. Also, positive of Hoenn - Bellossom was included...but it still didn't have the spark Johto had with its Pokemon.

I would compare Hoenn to Sinnoh but I just dislike it too much to make many valid points.

Overall though, Hoenn was nice...just didn't exactly appeal to me. Though some of the Pokemon were amazing. <3
Male
Seen November 28th, 2012
Posted August 1st, 2011
76 posts
13.7 Years
In my experience, R/S got overshadowed by FR/LG

I picked up R/S at the end of 4th grade, a time when my classmates often made fun of my friends and me for playing pokemon, so I just sort of lost interest. Not to mention that FR/LG came out just a little while after.

Being that Red version remains to this day my favorite, the remakes of the old classics seemed to gather most of my attention.

Don't get me wrong, I love some of R/S's pokemon. Sceptile, Manetric, Breloom, Aggron, Flygon, Exploud etc.

TwinkleClefable

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star~

Age 26
Female
Magical Moon Land
Seen July 30th, 2010
Posted July 30th, 2010
99 posts
12.9 Years
I love Hoenn pokemon, it brings a new taste to the pokemon world and new characters. I mean we like..get...10 or more new legendaries,and awesome pokemon: Mawile is just pure win, so is Gardevoir.

I don't really know why some people hate Hoenn. But i guess everybody just hates a certain Pokemon generation. The only reason for people to hate Hoenn is the Anime, no more misty, ash voice change etc. But that isn't the Pokemon.

I have no concern about the Pokemon whatsoever, and i just think the Pokemon are amazing, like all Pokemon are.
Male
Seen September 9th, 2010
Posted August 6th, 2010
31 posts
13 Years
i actually like most of the hoenn pokes, mostly the starters :) like TwinkleClefable said, (in my words) people can hate or like certain poke gens or regions... its just personal pref i guess but i like them all :DDDDDDDDDD

*ahem*... FOR THE 20TH TIME... my sig... heart gold setup
geez, i take too much time makin sigs... :(all except aerodactyl are japanese, aero is german :D


Age 30
Male
Anywhere but Hoenn
Seen April 13th, 2012
Posted April 23rd, 2011
312 posts
13.1 Years
Here is why hoenn sucks a ton
1. may was your rival, you know the character with the most fanservice in the anime. she was more concerned with her outfit than making a team.
2. Contests nuff' said
3. the morbidly obese legendary pokemon Groudon You fatty.
4. Team aqua and magma were quite possibly the worst evil teams in the franchise. Hell the thinly vieled global warming message just kinda pissed me off. Al gore could have been their leader
5. Your main character was either a a) old midget b) an albino. (may sucked no one i know chose her)
6.gaylow (taillow) was in that generation.
7. You weren't even given the masterball, you found it on the ground. imagine the coversation
Grunt 1: Dude did you hear? a ten year old is beating our team.
Grunt 2: Hey you still got the masterball?
Grunt 1: Hehe you said ball, nah i left it in this easily accessible place
Grunt2: so its safe?
Grunt 1: yeah guess what else is easily accessible? YOUR MOM
Grunt 1&2: hehehehehehe
^^^^^^ happened liek that
8. Dive was a horrible concept.
9. You had to READ brail, someone needs to tell Gamefreak how brail works; CAUSE THEY DOIN' IT WRONG
10. I haet teh mudkipz

there i gave you 10 reasons to hate hoenn

Dancing rave milk Approves of this message
FC: 2193 7898 2132
Charmillionare gives this sig a BOOM BOOM CLICK out of BOOM DRIVE BY:bandit:
I herd you enjoy the mudkip phenomena
Age 29
Male
Temporal Tower
Seen October 18th, 2013
Posted February 9th, 2013
90 posts
13.1 Years
Hoenn Pokemon are actually mostly my favorite ones, and I've been playing Pokemon since RBY. I love how they had a more 'modern' look to them in a sort of way (try to see what I mean by looking at Manetric or Tropius or something). I also love the 'ancient design' theme on Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza. It's true that Hoenn Pokemon can tend to be weak or pointless, but I love their design and theme.

Personally, I agree that some of the Sinnoh Pokemon are a little ridiculous: I don't really blame GameFreak though: after a certain amount of time, people start running out on ideas. But I mostly like the Sinnoh and Black and White ones, to be honest: the only thing I really hate is the Sinnoh/B&W's legendaries looking like new modern Yu Gi Oh stuff, instead of simple designs like before.

Anyway, RSE was probably my favorite region: I adore Milotic and Tropius, I adore making secret bases (the Sinnoh ones kind of suck), and I really miss using Dive. I'm really looking forward to a Hoenn remake :)
currently playing - favorite Pokemon - art gallery
paired with - shoddy

Resultz

All- round Poke-Whizz

Male
Yorkshire, England
Seen September 2nd, 2011
Posted August 22nd, 2011
583 posts
13.8 Years
Im not going to regurgitate easons people have aleady said, although i agree with most.
A few of mine..
-Dive, Sure AND waterfall.. hinting at a water team there gamefreak?
-Mauville city bored the HECK out of me.
-Steven is the easiest champion in the franchise.

Hoenn suprisingly is my favourite region, it was the first game i properly played. I remember the hype and the TV adverts in the UK i was unbelieveably excited going to the shop to buy it.
-Most of my favourite pokemon (Lunatone, Zangoose, Flygon,Sharpedo) are from hoenn(darn you version exclusives.)
MY HACK:
LOOKING FOR HELP MAKING POKEMON HYACINTH:
APPLY IN THE THREAD!;
MANY POSITIONS AVAILABLE!

Age 30
Male
Anywhere but Hoenn
Seen April 13th, 2012
Posted April 23rd, 2011
312 posts
13.1 Years

Yeah Hello proffessor clueless pedophile beard hows it going?
he got pwned by a poocheyena

Dancing rave milk Approves of this message
FC: 2193 7898 2132
Charmillionare gives this sig a BOOM BOOM CLICK out of BOOM DRIVE BY:bandit:
I herd you enjoy the mudkip phenomena
Seen October 10th, 2010
Posted August 5th, 2010
7 posts
12.9 Years
I don't see why people say Pokemon designs are getting worse. Each and every generation has their flaws when it comes to design: Generation one actually had some of the worst, in my opinion.

- Drowzee: Looks plain strange.
- Magneton: Three of it's evolved form stuck together. Real creative.
- Dodrio: ... Same words from Mangeton.
- Weezing: Two Koffing stuck together.
-'n'-

myrrhman

Challenge God

Age 32
Male
Knoxville, TN
Seen April 15th, 2023
Posted May 9th, 2016
1,824 posts
13.2 Years
Fourth Gen is way worse than Third Gen, but third gen still has some notably bad Pokemon in it. Like Wynaut. Come on, his name is Why not and he's holding his arms like he's shrugging. Seriously? Another one that got me was Nosepass. He's a magnet, ok. That's stupid. On top of that, he looks retarded. He has a big red nose. His evolution is so much more retarded, but Nosepass is pretty bad.

I guess I don't like third generation because there aren't as many epic Pokemon like the originals had, coupled with way more stupid Pokemon.
Male
Whyalla, Australia
Seen March 2nd, 2013
Posted December 16th, 2011
779 posts
14 Years
-Steven is the easiest champion in the franchise.
Actually, it's Lance. Hey, he may use Dragon types but Feraligatr+ Ice Punch/Fang= EPIC WIN.
Everything you say to me pushes one step closer to the edge



And I'm about to break
I need a little room to breathe...

Steam IGN: Hybrid Theory
Male
Seen July 8th, 2010
Posted July 8th, 2010
6 posts
13.2 Years
lol nobody here has fought for the point that third gen poke's sucked...........so heres my opinion.
THIRD GEN RULLLLLLLLLLLLESSSS!!!!

c'mon i mean, you got stuff like :breloom, blaziken, sableye, barboach, gardevoir, shiftry, shedinja, delcatty, aggron, METAGROSSSSSSS, medicham, manectric, wailord, camerupt, torkoal, flygon, altaria, zangoose, hariyama and salamence.

i disagree with anyone who says thaty ANY pokemon is useless. there are strong pokemon and there are untrained pokemon.......point: any pokemon is "useless" when it is untrained, only after grindan can a pokemon unlock its potential....proof is in zigzagoon......IT EVOLVES TO LINOONE!!!! AWESOME.

JAKE OUT.
75% of Pokemon gamers use cheats and specially made codes to make their pokemon battle-worthy. If you are one of the 25% percent that level their Pokemon up legally, put this in your signature.

yaminokaitou

りゅうのマスター

Female
South Korea
Seen April 23rd, 2011
Posted December 30th, 2010
350 posts
17.2 Years
I skipped out on R/S/E for two major reasons.

1. I hated the character designs.
2. I liked maybe three of the new pokemon designs. And two out of three were legendaries.

I just really didn't think it was worth the cash when I really didn't like any of the pokemon.

Zeta Sukuna

Descendant of the Inchlings

Age 29
Southern Florida
Seen 2 Days Ago
Posted 4 Days Ago
1,712 posts
15.3 Years
Okay, Hoenn is my second favorite behind Sinnoh, but I have to take care of something. I love the pokemon designs, and while it was a bit too easy, I had some fun with it.

1. may was your rival, you know the character with the most fanservice in the anime. she was more concerned with her outfit than making a team.
2. Contests nuff' said
3. the morbidly obese legendary pokemon Groudon You fatty.
4. Team aqua and magma were quite possibly the worst evil teams in the franchise. Hell the thinly vieled global warming message just kinda pissed me off. Al gore could have been their leader
5. Your main character was either a a) old midget b) an albino. (may sucked no one i know chose her)
6.gaylow (taillow) was in that generation.
7. You weren't even given the masterball, you found it on the ground. imagine the coversation
Grunt 1: Dude did you hear? a ten year old is beating our team.
Grunt 2: Hey you still got the masterball?
Grunt 1: Hehe you said ball, nah i left it in this easily accessible place
Grunt2: so its safe?
Grunt 1: yeah guess what else is easily accessible? YOUR MOM
Grunt 1&2: hehehehehehe
^^^^^^ happened liek that
8. Dive was a horrible concept.
9. You had to READ brail, someone needs to tell Gamefreak how brail works; CAUSE THEY DOIN' IT WRONG
10. I haet teh mudkipz
1. Anime =/= Game. You can't treat the characters of the game the way you do with the anime. They have two different personalities, you know. The only thing that is the same is really their appearance.

2. Your own opinion. Other people like the contests in Hoenn. I don't, but I at least recognize that fact.

3. Your own opinion. Groudon was there, but it has its fans. It's currently my third favorite pokemon, and I like the fact that it was there.

4. You have a point here, but that message didn't piss me off. I didn't care about that message, really. I have even ignored the message before and it was good.

5. Old midget? You mean May? Nice insult, man. And Brendan being an albino? Don't say that to the manga readers, else they will argue all day against you that it is, indeed, a hat. I like the two designs a lot myself.

6. Your opinion once again, there are a lot of people who like Tailow/Swellow. About half of these seem to be subjective, but you portray them to be objective. You can't do that in this fandom, else you will be flamed. While I'm on that topic, I eagerly await yours.

7. They didn't really need the Master Ball, and it was a way to put it in the game. Yes, Birch could have given it to you, but that'd be reusing another event, and that wouldn't be cool.

8. Your own opinion. I love Dive, personally. They could have done a lot more with it, though.

9. So? Who cares if you had to read braille? There is something called Visual Braille, you know that, right? It's another form of the alphabet, and if they wanted to put it in, then they can.

10. Your own opinion, Mudkip is my favorite of the three. In fact, literally half of the points are subjective only to you. Sure, there may be people who feel the same, but you seem to be saying it as if everyone thought that. No. I don't think that, and there are a lot of people who don't think that.

I admit, there are likely people out there who think exactly the same as you, and would despise what I like about the generation, but to each his own. Don't try to make it seem like everyone hates those 10 things, because that's what I got out of your posts. Yes, some of my stuff is subjective, too, but at least I'm not trying to pass it off as facts.
Age 26
Male
Seen June 6th, 2017
Posted October 9th, 2016
1,162 posts
13.2 Years
Allow me to explain:

The first two regions were natural, and urban at the same time, hoenn is a freaking rainforest volcano land.
We had two rivals that were flat as stone and weak as magikarp
Pokemon like Nosepass, Ludicolo, and Masquerain
No bonus content after you beat the game.
TERRRRRRRRRIBBBBBBLE PLOT

paired to kaori & vrai

ase

learning How to Hack

Male
MD, USA
Seen March 17th, 2015
Posted January 14th, 2012
43 posts
13.3 Years
lol
Nostalgic people are so used to the classics, when they see different designs, you know, craziness. XD
that is SOOOOO FREAKIN TRUE the old pokemon fans flame almost anything that is new



follow the link below
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=222928
I believe in Jesus Christ my Savior. If you do too, and aren't scared to admit it, then copy and paste this in your signature.

DBZ: Possibly the BEST anime ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55% of plepoe can.
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! fi yuo cna raed tihs, palce it in yuor siantugre
I don't calculate stat values, I don't breed my way to perfection, and I don't care about natures. I catch my Pokemon the way they are, and treat them like individuals instead of brainless drones. If you use this philosophy, copy & paste this into your signature