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Started by MistahDude July 13th, 2010 6:45 AM
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Is ejecting bubbles from their mouths a stereotype about hippopotamuses?
It was a point to say that iconic doesn't equal representative. No, hippopotamuses do not eject bubbles from their mouth. It's like if they made a Pokemon that looked like a kangaroo and they gave it a bottle of Vegemite. That doesn't mean Australians brush their teeth with Vegemite.

That was mainly to counteract the idea that Lt. Surge was offensive because of his bellicose nature. He may be American and focused on fighting, but that doesn't make him representative of Americans in general. At the same time, there are people who are like him in certain aspects, but that still doesn't make it representative. It was also to convey the fact that given even the smallest amount of impetus, anyone could make up a reason why they should take offense to any given thing. For example, if I were a Japanese woman wearing a kimono, I could say Froslass was offensive to me because it's a Ghost-type, therefore saying that I'm a zombie. Yes, I know what it's based on, but I could still draw negative thoughts from it. That's just an example like the Jynx fiasco whenever back when.

Furthermore, I find it a bit saddening that some people feel the makers of Pokemon have any malicious feelings when they put their pens to paper to make fun new Pokemon for us. There's a point where it's discrimination, and there's a point when people feel the need to be discriminated against.
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lucario is the most racist. look its blue and wears a bandit mask, good way to stereotype blue people game freak.
It's funny because there are actually blue people in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methemoglobinemia
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lucario is the most racist. look its blue and wears a bandit mask, good way to stereotype blue people game freak.
I hate blue people... They are all no good thieves... Damn you skeet... Damn you >.<
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It's funny because there are actually blue people in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methemoglobinemia


not really, more like zombie grey.

but then white people aren't actually white, blacks aren't black.
orange Barney with wings is a prime example of exactly how bad the First Generation's designs really were
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not really, more like zombie grey.

but then white people aren't actually white, blacks aren't black.
It's usually blue depending on your skin tone. If you're looking for ways to turn blue without having a crippling disease, try bathing in silver.

More on-topic? I'd also like to mention that stereotypes are a bit of a silly matter. They're things that are sensitized when they shouldn't be. The main problem that people see is the generalization aspect of it, though if people would understand that (1) not all people are the same (the stereotyping side) and (2) not all remarks are directed toward groups of people (the ones who feel stereotyped), then it wouldn't be such a problem. But people, ya know. Whatever.
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^ Racist. Against grey zombie-like people.

Maybe we should change this thread around. What "stereotype" did you find the most funny/refreshing when you first came across it?
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One isn't a "PC idiot" for being offended by something which is clearly a racist stereotype of the past anymore than you are clearly an insensitive idiot lacking knowledge.
Jynx was a light-hearted remark on a subclass of Japanese society and was misunderstood, and therefore thought to be offensive. She's not racist at all. That is what the original poster meant to convey, though it is really disheartening to see such a hypocritical post on the forums, new poster.

This is, once again, an example of a desperate outcry in an attempt to seek controversy.
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I even read that jynx was black in the original because there was nothing their it was psychic power holding the dress and wig together...as shown when you beat Jynx in Pokemon stadium 1...where the wig and dress are seen in the ground after you beat one...
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2 things....

First, the biggest peeve I have with pokemon forum sites is when somebody says that a certain pokemon is an "offensive stereotype" to a community. NINTENDO IS NOT STEREOTYPICAL! Would you say that Loudred is a stereotype to sound because he has a big mouth? Or that (god forbid) Magikarp is a stereotype to goldfish. They're not "stereotyped", they're based on objects, cultures, and animals in the real world.

And second: That's not even what this thread is about. It was meant to find pokemon and what they are based on. Like Mamepato is based (or stereotyped) on a pigeon. It's not something we should get all worked up about, Just think about the based pokemon that have been introduced here. For example:

Hihidaruma and the Daruma pots.

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@Gymnotide: @JakeCrowd: @Other various people in this topic:

Some people seem to be not getting what this topic is about. It's about stereotypes, not political correctness. Hippos are not stereotyped as blowing bubbles when they yawn. Americans do have war stereotypes.

You can't just make up a stereotype like "all goldfish look like Magikarp" and then say that that is a real stereotype and thus Magikarp plays off stereotypes, that's ridiculous.

Only a few people have ever properly complained about Pokemon being politically incorrect (you can find a list at Bulbapedia). As dogasu put it:

The problem with these "but ___ is a negative stereotype, so why haven't they been banned!?" statements is that nobody has acted on any of these. Ms. Weatherford saw a character whom she believed was a negative stereotype, and she DID something about it. She wrote a well-researched article and got it printed on a respectable news website (instead of, say, some random Pokemon fansite). Nobody's done that with, say, Lombre, which is why the character is still around today.
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@Gymnotide: @JakeCrowd: @Other various people in this topic:

Some people seem to be not getting what this topic is about. It's about stereotypes, not political correctness. Hippos are not stereotyped as blowing bubbles when they yawn. Americans do have war stereotypes.

You can't just make up a stereotype like "all goldfish look like Magikarp" and then say that that is a real stereotype and thus Magikarp plays off stereotypes, that's ridiculous.

Only a few people have ever properly complained about Pokemon being politically incorrect (you can find a list at Bulbapedia). As dogasu put it:
That whole Hippo and Goldfish stereo type was going overboard like you said. So that's why Jynx skin was change because of that lady, huh.
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@Gymnotide: @JakeCrowd: @Other various people in this topic:

Some people seem to be not getting what this topic is about. It's about stereotypes, not political correctness. Hippos are not stereotyped as blowing bubbles when they yawn. Americans do have war stereotypes.

You can't just make up a stereotype like "all goldfish look like Magikarp" and then say that that is a real stereotype and thus Magikarp plays off stereotypes, that's ridiculous.

Only a few people have ever properly complained about Pokemon being politically incorrect (you can find a list at Bulbapedia). As dogasu put it:
I am aware of the thread topic and I don't believe I've said anything about political correctness, only attributes to stereotypes which cause controversy.

My original standpoint is still that even though a Pokemon resembles something, doesn't mean it represents it.

As for the "make up a stereotype" of your argument -- You absolutely can. As long as there's something being attributed to another thing, anyone viewing it from any standpoint can then generalize. That's playing off the basic definition. It's still going to be a stereotype, but maybe not to you. As long as something has a special meaning or value about something else, can be construed in that way, and has a person or group who believes it to be "standard," then something in a "stereotype." Furthermore, I still have a problem with "stereotype" as a word, since it's subjective and one thing could be a stereotype to one group of people but not to another.

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And if you want me to extrapolate, well, almost all stereotypes are generalizations. Moreover, I think it's a bit silly to debate over it, but my first example of being a hippo wasn't that yawning bubbles was the stereotype, but that Hippopotas was a stereotype for hippopotamuses in general (it very well is because it takes the form of a hippopotamus and shares its moniker as set forth into definition by human perception and taxonomy) and that the yawning bubbles was a created, but misperceived and therefore "derogatory" remark.
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I liked Lt. Surge. In the games, it wasn't as if he was saying, "WAR IS SO AWESOME AND GLORIOUS, I LOVE WAR AND COCA COLA AND McDONALDS! AND WAR!". I did not see anything offensive in his character, to be perfectly frank, unless you somehow manage to find military personnel offensive by the very nature of their existence.

Wooguru looks awesome and if it is supposed to be a nod to the United States, then the game will be imbalanced because it will be the strongest of all non-legendary Pokemon and will be totally awesome.XD

But no, I don't see anything offensive here in the slightest in regards to the good Lieutenant or Wooguru.
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I liked Lt. Surge. In the games, it wasn't as if he was saying, "WAR IS SO AWESOME AND GLORIOUS, I LOVE WAR AND COCA COLA AND McDONALDS! AND WAR!". I did not see anything offensive in his character, to be perfectly frank, unless you somehow manage to find military personnel offensive by the very nature of their existence.

Wooguru looks awesome and if it is supposed to be a nod to the United States, then the game will be imbalanced because it will be the strongest of all non-legendary Pokemon and will be totally awesome.XD

But no, I don't see anything offensive here in the slightest in regards to the good Lieutenant or Wooguru.
neither do I. Though I don't think Wooguru will be a Pseudo :P
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neither do I. Though I don't think Wooguru will be a Pseudo :P
Same here, but if it is based on the US, then it would still have incredible stats! In fact, I think unleashing a lvl. 100 Wooguru itself would cause the world to end due to incredible win.

About the Good Lieutenant, the only thing I dislike is the hair. Unbecoming of a military man.:P
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Same here, but if it is based on the US, then it would still have incredible stats! In fact, I think unleashing a lvl. 100 Wooguru itself would cause the world to end due to incredible win.

About the Good Lieutenant, the only thing I dislike is the hair. Unbecoming of a military man.:P
Haha, they might make a China bird in gen 6 that tops Wooguru :P
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I think stereotype is a word a little bit too strong for what we have here. Sure you can say that the eagle is based on American motives, but that's as far as you can go. Any further is honestly an exaggeration.
So if it happens to learn Bounce, is it going to be about America's recession?
If it learns Drill Peck, is it going to be "hiddenly related" to illegal oil drilling?
If it learns Covet/Knock off/Thief... don't wanna go there :p

It's a fun debate but let's just hope it doesn't get blown out of proportion by some groups, because then we'll have another Jynx here, and the color scheme will be unnecessarily changed.
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I pull off an epic facepalm every darn time some n00b brings up "Offensive Stereotypes" existing in pokemon. Stop being an easily offended person, grow up and get some common sense. Oh, and don't forget a sense of humor too.
your comment is win.

relating to the jynx fiasco, one idiot got offended, over something they obviously didnt understand, sued somebody else, and now jynx is purple. that better not happen to wooguru.

Wooguru is my favorite gen poke so far, its pretty awesome. i like how it blends the two america's- todays america (the bald eagle) with the war headress (native american)

hopefully it will learn U-Turn... hint hint haha XD
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I am aware of the thread topic and I don't believe I've said anything about political correctness, only attributes to stereotypes which cause controversy.

My original standpoint is still that even though a Pokemon resembles something, doesn't mean it represents it.

As for the "make up a stereotype" of your argument -- You absolutely can. As long as there's something being attributed to another thing, anyone viewing it from any standpoint can then generalize. That's playing off the basic definition. It's still going to be a stereotype, but maybe not to you. As long as something has a special meaning or value about something else, can be construed in that way, and has a person or group who believes it to be "standard," then something in a "stereotype." Furthermore, I still have a problem with "stereotype" as a word, since it's subjective and one thing could be a stereotype to one group of people but not to another.

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And if you want me to extrapolate, well, almost all stereotypes are generalizations. Moreover, I think it's a bit silly to debate over it, but my first example of being a hippo wasn't that yawning bubbles was the stereotype, but that Hippopotas was a stereotype for hippopotamuses in general (it very well is because it takes the form of a hippopotamus and shares its moniker as set forth into definition by human perception and taxonomy) and that the yawning bubbles was a created, but misperceived and therefore "derogatory" remark.
You could just make a stereotype, but it would be like making up a new word that only you use. There's nothing official to say what is or isn't an English word, so technically it would be. Just no one would care. In other words, the hippopotamus stereotype analogy just doesn't work.

stereotype n.
1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. A person who is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.
You're sort of thinking of 'generalisation', not stereotype, anyway.

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I don't understand why people are getting offended over a game intended for children. It's not as if the developers said, "oh, hey, how about we offend people by making an Eagle representing America?" because they're not stupid.

If you can get offended over this, I'm struggling to see how you'd survive in the real world.

And clearly Snorlax isn't based off of Americans, because Snorlax is cool. Just kidding.
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your comment is win.

relating to the jynx fiasco, one idiot got offended, over something they obviously didnt understand, sued somebody else, and now jynx is purple. that better not happen to wooguru.

Wooguru is my favorite gen poke so far, its pretty awesome. i like how it blends the two america's- todays america (the bald eagle) with the war headress (native american)

hopefully it will learn U-Turn... hint hint haha XD

Even if I were the easily offended type, I actually wouldn't be offended by Wooguru. He looks awesome and I don't see anything disrespectful.

The Jynx fiasco was idiotic. But if I were an idiot who was easily offended, I can see how I may get offended. Now thankfully I am not an idiot and the idiot part of that equation is extremely important.