5th Gen Team Plasma Discussion Page 19

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Team Rocket had their time to shine, especially since we were able to see them again in the Gold/Silver remakes. Since this is a new generation, Team Rocket being the evil crew would be a little too eccentric. Sure Cynthia makes an appearance, but she's just one character and not a main part of the storyline.

Team Rocket are getting redeemed in Best Wishes anyway, they don't need to be included for the 5th time in Pokemon gaming history. >:

As for Team Plasma, their cause is really ridiculous. "Pokemon need freedom, but I'm gonna fight you with my equally captured Pokemon to make you free yours!"

That.. makes no sense. As for them as a whole? I don't hate nor like them yet. I do however like N and Geechisu's story a lot. I hope I spelled that right... N is the first truly smart villain, and his father is bad in a good way. Their story is actually really dark, and it makes me enjoy Pokemon even more. I've noticed that Pokemon has gotten pretty dark lately, even in Best Wishes.. like episode 4 with that poor Pokabu. >_<;

I'm lovin' it. <3

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As for Team Plasma, their cause is really ridiculous. "Pokemon need freedom, but I'm gonna fight you with my equally captured Pokemon to make you free yours!"

That.. makes no sense.

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You know, that isn't really the plan. Geechisu is using Team Plasma and N to free Pokemon from all trainers so he is the only one with Pokemon, thus ruling the world. Still kinda ridiculous though.

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You know, that isn't really the plan. Geechisu is using Team Plasma and N to free Pokemon from all trainers so he is the only one with Pokemon, thus ruling the world. Still kinda ridiculous though.
Huh, well how would him having Rashiram and Zekrom help his plan for everyone to liberate their pokemon...unless he planned on threatening people with Rashi-Zek...then he would have to go on to the other regions...
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Huh, well how would him having Rashiram and Zekrom help his plan for everyone to liberate their pokemon...unless he planned on threatening people with Rashi-Zek...then he would have to go on to the other regions...
N wants Zekrom and Reshiram to make the world "Black and White", separating humans and Pokemon.

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N wants Zekrom and Reshiram to make the world "Black and White", separating humans and Pokemon.
I know but in a way how would his plan have worked, would he have used them like Pain wanted to use the demons for peace (sorry if this doesn't make sense for non Naruto fans) as they aren't like Kyogre, Groudon, or Dialga and Palkia who can make it rain, dry, bend time or bend space for the ideals of the bad guys.
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MRAS: I understand, and I was kind of thinking thinking the same thing, but if not, then I honestly don't get how N would use Zekrom/Reshiram to separate pokemon and humans, unless he threatened to use the legendaries to kill them, I don't see how it would work, but then again, there is probably some sort of explanation.

Honestly, Team Plasma is an awesome team, from what I learned about them. It's about time to have a corrupt PETA-like organization.

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Ok honestly unless your 8-10 none of the villian teams were that evil for these reasons 1. there plans are short sighted( rocket= wanna steal all pokemon and use them for evil, what evil? and they werent even close to completing there goal. Magma/Aqua= [email protected]&king up the planets water land ratio, yea cant see any bad from that lol. Galatic= didnt know what there insane boss was doing. 2. they all got defeated by a kid. To be honest Tram plasma seems to be the 2nd best Team Rocket being the 1st because it first.
Next gen should have two villans one for each version ones a crazy clown that just wants caos, and the other some costume vigilantie......why so serious LOL
Let me tell you what they wanted to do, and why. Because you don't seem to really get some of the hints in the games.

Rocket: Wants to steal pokemon, why? To make money. They sell pokemon in game, did you know that? Rocket Game Corner isn't named that just because it's a cool name, Team Rocket owned that place. Casinos make money, so that in itself makes them money. The pokemon that you get from earning/buying coins, yeah, they are from TR's care.

They went after the Master Ball so they could mass produce it to capture rare pokemon. Both for their own use, and to sell them, because, like a lot of normal gangs, they want money.

Rocket (Gen II): They're doing the same things, mutilating pokemon to obtain profit. Think about it, they were selling Slowpoketails for 1,000,000 yen, that's a lot of money, you know. They evolved Magikarp into Gyarados, as a precursor to both getting their boss, who is indeed one of the most powerful trainers in the world, back, as well as making their pokemon even stronger. These Rockets, however, didn't want money, they wanted control over people more.

About both Rockets not being close to completing their goal? Guess again, Rockets REACHED their goal, they were getting MONEY, a lot of it. The second generation failed only due to your time-travelling future self.

Magma: They are insane eco-terrorists who want to dry up the planet and leave it with hardly, if any, water, and try to awaken an ancient GOD to do it. Not to mention they try to BLOW UP A VOLCANO... TWICE! That would have KILLED people in Fallarbor and Lavaridge Town. Not to mention poisoning the air in Verdanturf.

Aqua: They are insane eco-terrorists who want to DROWN the planet, and make it so that there is little to no land left. They aren't as bad as Magma, as they don't want to blow up a volcano (Emerald only), but they still want to drown the world. That would kill everyone as well, for there wouldn't be anywhere to live, and most everyone would die, unless their city is built to live floating.

Of course they're not going to reach their goals, because their goals would kill everyone on the planet.

Galactic: A CULT who wants to rule everything, at least that's what's told to the grunts. Cyrus KNOWS that if everyone were to learn of his goal, that he would get no support, which is WHY they don't ever find out. Their goal was to kill everyone except them, pretty much, so even the grunts are nuts.

And before you mention their dress, they are uniforms and Cyrus is preparing them to be drones. That's why they're stupid, that's why they all look the same, because he is basically forcing them to be such. The Commanders are different, but Cyrus would have betrayed them in the end as well. They look stupid, yes, but they're MEANT to look stupid.

Do I have to comment any farther on this one?

And your second reason? Well, you're justified, but you can say the same thing about them beating the Elite 4, too. Does that make all of the E4 unlikeable because they were beaten by a kid?

And at this point, you're just trolling, but I'll respond to that anyway, since I feel like it. Bad idea. There we go.
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Team Plasma is a very unique team, for the fact that they're technically doing something good but it's still bad and that the leader is not a wrinkly old guy like Cyrus a kid.
not true Team Magma and Team Aqua also thought they were doing something good for the betterment of pokemon...actually the only one's who feel resentment for what they have done were Maxie, Archie and N, Geovanni and Cyrus who were both doing bad things on purpose didn't really show resentment for their actions.
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Wow, been awhile since I've been here.

Rocket: Wants to steal pokemon, why? To make money. They sell pokemon in game, did you know that? Rocket Game Corner isn't named that just because it's a cool name, Team Rocket owned that place. Casinos make money, so that in itself makes them money. The pokemon that you get from earning/buying coins, yeah, they are from TR's care.
True, but the making money part was mainly Giovanni's mother's agenda when she was in-command.

When Giovanni inherited it, he focused the syndicate on making money AND ruling the world.


Rocket (Gen II): They're doing the same things, mutilating pokemon to obtain profit. Think about it, they were selling Slowpoketails for 1,000,000 yen, that's a lot of money, you know. They evolved Magikarp into Gyarados, as a precursor to both getting their boss, who is indeed one of the most powerful trainers in the world, back, as well as making their pokemon even stronger. These Rockets, however, didn't want money, they wanted control over people more.
Eh...not really. All they wanted was to bring Giovanni back THEN focus on the things you've said.

Magma: They are insane eco-terrorists who want to dry up the planet and leave it with hardly, if any, water, and try to awaken an ancient GOD to do it. Not to mention they try to BLOW UP A VOLCANO... TWICE! That would have KILLED people in Fallarbor and Lavaridge Town. Not to mention poisoning the air in Verdanturf.
You sure you wanna see Groudon as a "god"? He didn't really have any deity-like prowess like Giratina, Dialga or Palkia or Arceus. And its not really that they tried to "blow up" Mt. Ember, they were just trying to awaken Groudon who was inside at the time.

Aqua: They are insane eco-terrorists who want to DROWN the planet, and make it so that there is little to no land left. They aren't as bad as Magma, as they don't want to blow up a volcano (Emerald only), but they still want to drown the world. That would kill everyone as well, for there wouldn't be anywhere to live, and most everyone would die, unless their city is built to live floating.
Wow...sorry but your sort-of making them more evil than they were...

They weren't trying to "drown" the the planet. They were just trying to expand the water masses to "make more aqua habitats for aquatic Pokemon by awakening and manipulating Kyogre.

Galactic: A CULT who wants to rule everything, at least that's what's told to the grunts. Cyrus KNOWS that if everyone were to learn of his goal, that he would get no support, which is WHY they don't ever find out. Their goal was to kill everyone except them, pretty much, so even the grunts are nuts.
I....guess a cult can work. But they didn't wanna rule anything....in this world anyway. But yea the whole syndicate was concocted by Cyrus with a twisted dream of manipulating both Dialga and Palkia to "create a new world" where there is " no conflict or strife of any kind" since he believed "Spirit" was the enemy. And yea, Cyrus was using all of them, including Saturn, Mars, Jupiter, and Charon. Sadly only, Saturn was mature enough to walk away and not overreact to Cyrus's disappearance.

Anyway, the outfits of Plasma are..weird to say the least. Plus the objective of Plasma....to be hones, I saw this coming. No lie. But that's what doesn't make sense to me. Everyone seems to be comparing them to the PETA but corrupt. I guess but it just doesn't make sense to me.
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True, but the making money part was mainly Giovanni's mother's agenda when she was in-command.

When Giovanni inherited it, he focused the syndicate on making money AND ruling the world.



Eh...not really. All they wanted was to bring Giovanni back THEN focus on the things you've said.



You sure you wanna see Groudon as a "god"? He didn't really have any deity-like prowess like Giratina, Dialga or Palkia or Arceus. And its not really that they tried to "blow up" Mt. Ember, they were just trying to awaken Groudon who was inside at the time.



Wow...sorry but your sort-of making them more evil than they were...

They weren't trying to "drown" the the planet. They were just trying to expand the water masses to "make more aqua habitats for aquatic Pokemon by awakening and manipulating Kyogre.



I....guess a cult can work. But they didn't wanna rule anything....in this world anyway. But yea the whole syndicate was concocted by Cyrus with a twisted dream of manipulating both Dialga and Palkia to "create a new world" where there is " no conflict or strife of any kind" since he believed "Spirit" was the enemy. And yea, Cyrus was using all of them, including Saturn, Mars, Jupiter, and Charon. Sadly only, Saturn was mature enough to walk away and not overreact to Cyrus's disappearance.

Anyway, the outfits of Plasma are..weird to say the least. Plus the objective of Plasma....to be hones, I saw this coming. No lie. But that's what doesn't make sense to me. Everyone seems to be comparing them to the PETA but corrupt. I guess but it just doesn't make sense to me.
I agree with you on the teams, but who put down mount Chimney as Mt. Ember...know your Hoenn geography who ever said that...
Actually the one pulling the strings behind N was Geechisu so the real purpose was to rule the world by depriving everyone of pokemon...which still sounds crazy and doomed to fail in a way...more than Cyrus' plan in my opinion...
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True, but the making money part was mainly Giovanni's mother's agenda when she was in-command.

When Giovanni inherited it, he focused the syndicate on making money AND ruling the world.
Is this from the anime? Well, I see them as different continuity, personally, and as Giovanni's mom wasn't in the games, then that part isn't applicable. And TR, in the games, doesn't seem to want to take over the world. But maybe I missed something.


Eh...not really. All they wanted was to bring Giovanni back THEN focus on the things you've said.
Then why bother with the Slowpoketails? Why not just continue going in secret? They seemed to do well in it during the past three years. They were still going after money, that's the only explanation I could think of. You could say they were gathering money to get the technology, but then how could they have been together for that long? Since it's kind of implied that they were Team Rocket even during those years.

But maybe I'm wrong with this.

You sure you wanna see Groudon as a "god"? He didn't really have any deity-like prowess like Giratina, Dialga or Palkia or Arceus. And its not really that they tried to "blow up" Mt. Ember, they were just trying to awaken Groudon who was inside at the time.
I wasn't seeing it (Groudon/Kyogre as gods) as how I saw it, but it kind of seems, TO ME, how the games were treating them, with the formation of the land and the sea, and I likened them more to the Roman/Greek gods anyway A lot of those gods don't have deity-like prowess, yet are still gods. And how would they have woken Groudon up with a meteorite on top of the mountain? Not to mention the SECOND time, they wanted to blow up the mountain by sending a rocket into it... After Groudon woke up.

Wow...sorry but your sort-of making them more evil than they were...

They weren't trying to "drown" the the planet. They were just trying to expand the water masses to "make more aqua habitats for aquatic Pokemon by awakening and manipulating Kyogre.
Meh, I wasn't ever good at defending Team Aqua, so maybe I did get a bit carried away with them. BUT it still seems that it could do a LOT of damage to costal cities anyway, so millions would still have died, as Kyogre's storms would probably be likened to Hurricanes. We know how much damage those can cause.

I....guess a cult can work. But they didn't wanna rule anything....in this world anyway. But yea the whole syndicate was concocted by Cyrus with a twisted dream of manipulating both Dialga and Palkia to "create a new world" where there is " no conflict or strife of any kind" since he believed "Spirit" was the enemy. And yea, Cyrus was using all of them, including Saturn, Mars, Jupiter, and Charon. Sadly only, Saturn was mature enough to walk away and not overreact to Cyrus's disappearance.
Team Galactic, the cult, seemed to want to rule over the world to me. MAYBE not over the people, but if they were the only people left, then they would, technically, rule the world, and not just THE world, but a PERFECT world.

Anyway, the outfits of Plasma are..weird to say the least. Plus the objective of Plasma....to be hones, I saw this coming. No lie. But that's what doesn't make sense to me. Everyone seems to be comparing them to the PETA but corrupt. I guess but it just doesn't make sense to me.
It's basically a reaction to how people have been catching pokemon from their habitats. We haven't seen people try to even go for their freedom, which, to me, didn't make sense, as Pokemon is basically dog-fighting with superpowers. The members have good intentions to have people releasing them, but...

Spoiler:
Geechisu wants to separate humans and pokemon so he can rule the world with his pokemon, as well as Zekrom/Reshiram, as they wouldn't have any other way to defend themselves.


And I know that last part is debatable, I really do. And if my Plasma explanation didn't make sense, then I probably won't continue, since I am having a hard time wording everything.
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Is this from the anime? Well, I see them as different continuity, personally, and as Giovanni's mom wasn't in the games, then that part isn't applicable. And TR, in the games, doesn't seem to want to take over the world. But maybe I missed something.
I usually see things like that as canon, same with the 3rd edition for every generation ( Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum). Even though the origin of Giovanni was only in a Japanese OVA, I still say it works. But I guess that where we differ...

Then why bother with the Slowpoketails? Why not just continue going in secret? They seemed to do well in it during the past three years. They were still going after money, that's the only explanation I could think of. You could say they were gathering money to get the technology, but then how could they have been together for that long? Since it's kind of implied that they were Team Rocket even during those years.

But maybe I'm wrong with this.
Maybe its best to say that there we doing both?

I wasn't seeing it (Groudon/Kyogre as gods) as how I saw it, but it kind of seems, TO ME, how the games were treating them, with the formation of the land and the sea, and I likened them more to the Roman/Greek gods anyway A lot of those gods don't have deity-like prowess, yet are still gods.
But Groudon and Kyogre weren't based off of the Roman/Greek gods, they were based off of the behemoth and leviathan in hebrew lore, but whatever....

And how would they have woken Groudon up with a meteorite on top of the mountain? Not to mention the SECOND time, they wanted to blow up the mountain by sending a rocket into it... After Groudon woke up.
Wha? Oh right, when they tired to take over Mossdeep City's Space Center. They weren't planning on blowing up the volcano with a rocket, but with rocket fuel. They were planning on using rocket fuel from the space center to make Mt. Ember erupt.

Pokemon is basically dog-fighting with superpowers.
uh....wow......that's bit.......dark....isn't it?
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I usually see things like that as canon, same with the 3rd edition for every generation ( Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum). Even though the origin of Giovanni was only in a Japanese OVA, I still say it works. But I guess that where we differ...

Maybe its best to say that there we doing both?
Yeah, I concur with this.

But Groudon and Kyogre weren't based off of the Roman/Greek gods, they were based off of the behemoth and leviathan in hebrew lore, but whatever....
The Roman/Greek gods were an example of how they would be seen as Gods, not how I would see them as. I know they were based off of the Behemoth and Leviathan. If I said that they were, then I apologize.

Wha? Oh right, when they tired to take over Mossdeep City's Space Center. They weren't planning on blowing up the volcano with a rocket, but with rocket fuel. They were planning on using rocket fuel from the space center to make Mt. Ember erupt.
Even so, that's still pretty nasty. Probably nastier then what I said.

uh....wow......that's bit.......dark....isn't it?
No, it honestly isn't. That is literally pretty much what it can be seen as. HOWEVER, a lot of pokemon don't really mind this, as they are... usually... taken care of pretty well. (Other criminals probably don't take care of them too good, especially Cipher) So they are treated better then their real world equivalents, in a lot, if not a majority of cases.
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Hey I have been wondering are the grunts of Team Plasma smarter than those the Rockets and the Galactics? cuz those two teams had some pretty dumb grunts...
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Hey I have been wondering are the grunts of Team Plasma smarter than those the Rockets and the Galactics? cuz those two teams had some pretty dumb grunts...
I guess that's a matter of opinion, but as the generations go by evil teams bound to get smarter some time. Team Plasma seems to be one of those fierce and serious teams that don't play around much. I would assume throughout the game they take their work in what they are trying to accomplish more seriously than the others. However, I have yet to figure that out for myself.

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I beat N at the end of the game. Then i had to face the other green haired dude with the weird eye thing, but I lost. Then it sent me to the pokemon center right before i face the elite four, but when i tried to go back to face the green haired dude, it wouldn't let me. Where do I go?! How do I get back!?!?! Can anyone help me?!?!?

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