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Started by mervyn797 August 8th, 2010 6:37 AM
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Mac OS on the other hand has based its system from UNIX, the most stable operating system. The programs are separated and if one program crashes you can restart it or force quit it (a feature only in Mac OS).
Linux destroys Mac in terms of security. Also, Windows doesn't work the way you think it does and this so called advantage has been on Windows as long as I can remember.

Now security. Like all Windows users have experienced, Windows is the most prone OS to viruses and problems. Whereas Mac OS is a secure OS (because UNIX is secure), and is yet to be affected with viruses.
Windows is the most attacked OS. It is not the most "prone" OS. Macs are not secure Operating Systems. In fact, Linux pretty much embarrasses them in that regard.




Windows 7 is just an incredible OS. I could never imagine using anything but it and maybe Ubuntu for any reason.
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Windows, most computers use it and it just makes your life easier... you don't have to worry if you can run certain program or not if you have a Mac, or if you have a problem that you can't solve... everybody's using a Windows PC.
I really don't trust Macs that much, but IDK why everybody in the sound industry uses a Mac.
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ive seen that people who play a lot of pc games, do not use mac.
does windows have anything to do with better graphics?
Most of the games only support Windows. Mac users usually use boot camp or something to run Windows on their PC to play games. There are games compatible with Mac, though. As for the graphics, they are the same, no? (not sure) Maybe Windows is better, IDK. Windows is the best OS for games, so if you are into gaming, stay with Windows.

Is Windows poor when it comes to running higher-end 3D games, or not? It will run slowly, so I've heard. :\

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ive seen that people who play a lot of pc games, do not use mac.
does windows have anything to do with better graphics?
There are a number of reasons why this is. The first reason: most computer games nowadays are written for Windows, because that's where the market is. If they had time, they might write a port for OS X as an afterthought, but it undoubtedly wouldn't be as good.

The second reason: the Mac video drivers and libraries aren't written for gaming. It's as simple as that; games can't utilize the graphics power present in most computers as well as they can under Windows. This is due to the fact that the game engines are more developed for Windows based systems than for OS X based systems. If you don't believe me, get a computer with both operating systems on it, download the exact same game (for me, it's Portal à la Steam on Snow Leopard and Win 7) and play it on both. The Windows version will be a lot better. Trust me.

The third reason: Making games is hard. Most developers just develop for Windows because that's either all they know how to do or they simply don't want to make it for Mac.

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Is Windows poor when it comes to running higher-end 3D games, or not? It will run slowly, so I've heard. :\
Not really, no. That all depends on your hardware and which version of Windows you're using, as well as how well the game is programmed. Windows Vista and Windows 7 will have no problem if given powerful enough hardware.
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I'm a Mac user, but I've been a Mac user for quite a long time, so I don't really know much about PCs. Macs I feel like allow more detail work (I'm talking about in programming, movies, ect.), but they're a lot more confusing to use than a PC. Also (my dad, who loves all Apple products) has pointed out that in many movies, the 'bad guys' use PCs, while the 'good guys' use Macs. Haha- I'm wondering if that's really true or not :P

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I'm a Mac user, but I've been a Mac user for quite a long time, so I don't really know much about PCs. Macs I feel like allow more detail work (I'm talking about in programming, movies, ect.), but they're a lot more confusing to use than a PC. Also (my dad, who loves all Apple products) has pointed out that in many movies, the 'bad guys' use PCs, while the 'good guys' use Macs. Haha- I'm wondering if that's really true or not :P
Again, Macs are PCs. PC stands for "personal computer."

You can do programming just fine on a Windows computer, and there are plenty of powerful movie editing tools on Windows computers as well. Mac OS X is generally touted as being "easier" than Windows (whether it is so is a matter of preference). You've got your notions backward.
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No, I don't use Windows. I used to, though. It used to happened to me with Windows; namely XP (SP 2). I use Mac OS now. I was just stating my experience with Windows, as a previous Windows user :\

Anyway, I don't know what you want to do, but try out the Mac. IF you don't like it, switch back..
Well that was because sp2 sucked. Try win xp sp3 and win 7 those are awesome and i dont think that you will have any problems with them unless your one of those persons who like to enter in any webpage no matter what your gut feeling tells you.

oh my?!? i really think i have.

but really, ive never seen many people use mac OS. And also why is mac so expensive? :\ (in comparison to a windows PC or laptop with almost the same specs.)
I know they actually overcharge for there specs i mean an i7 with 4 gigs of ram 3k??? really.

Well i never tried mac so i wont say anything about it being safer or less safer, the reason that mac doesn't get viruses is because not that many people have it so coders don't actually try to make viruses for mac or so ive read. I wont say anything about the interface either honestly i find windows interface comfortable and responsive and don't forget beautiful. I wont talk about stability on macs i don't have any stability problems on xp she runs perfect with the occasional lag which is because i have a lot of things that emulate win7 effects on xp and its very rare that i lag. And lastly my opinion: I find that windows is better than mac (even though i havent used the original) i find it better ive been with windows since xp came out so i can tell you that windows is better.
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I find that windows is better than mac (even though i havent used the original) i find it better ive been with windows since xp came out so i can tell you that windows is better.
Really? You said that you were underqualified to give an opinion and then made a verdict. The fact is that each brand has pros and cons, so each person should make their own choice.
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but really, ive never seen many people use mac OS. And also why is mac so expensive? :\ (in comparison to a windows PC or laptop with almost the same specs.)
Yes they overcharge, that should be obvious. In my opinion, you're paying for the Apple logo and the OS X.
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Macs are better in a sense that they are less prone to viruses and other malware as not many people actually make them. They'd rather create malware and trojans for Windows PCs, as there is a larger proportion of users using Windows.

However, I do prefer Windows personally; as I am pretty much used to using them and don't intend on switching to a Mac anytime soon. xP

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Macs are better in a sense that they are less prone to viruses and other malware as not many people actually make them. They'd rather create malware and trojans for Windows PCs, as there is a larger proportion of users using Windows.

However, I do prefer Windows personally; as I am pretty much used to using them and don't intend on switching to a Mac anytime soon. xP
You probably won't want to switch any time soon considering how much of an increase malware, trojans etc are in the wild now for mac OS X.

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You probably won't want to switch any time soon considering how much of an increase malware, trojans etc are in the wild now for mac OS X.
The number is still very small in comparison to Windows machines. They are also less susceptible to drive-by style attacks. You're usually going to get them through pirated Mac software, so if you're not stupid, you're pretty safe.
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You probably won't want to switch any time soon considering how much of an increase malware, trojans etc are in the wild now for mac OS X.
As new, but remember Mac OS X based on BSD, which in turn is one of the most stability UNIX systems ever. UNIX/UNIX-like (*cough*Linux*cough*) have superior security systems that even if UNIX had the same amount of virus of Windows people still get way less infected.

So unless some random guy cracks through every wall in UNIX's system,..... (actually i can't think of a ending for this. )

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The number is still very small in comparison to Windows machines. They are also less susceptible to drive-by style attacks. You're usually going to get them through pirated Mac software, so if you're not stupid, you're pretty safe.
If you're not stupid you're pretty safe on a Windows machine as well.

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As new, but remember Mac OS X based on BSD, which in turn is one of the most stability UNIX systems ever. UNIX/UNIX-like (*cough*Linux*cough*) have superior security systems that even if UNIX had the same amount of virus of Windows people still get way less infected.

So unless some random guy cracks through every wall in UNIX's system,..... (actually i can't think of a ending for this. )
Unless you can provide actual tech details as to why it's more secure, which I'm pretty sure you can't, I'll have to point out that Mac OSX is not more secure than Windows.

Once again, Linux destroys Mac OSX in terms of security.
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Unless you can provide actual tech details as to why it's more secure, which I'm pretty sure you can't, I'll have to point out that Mac OSX is not more secure than Windows.
Well, it's more pointing to the UNIX system.
1. UNIX, unlike Windows, is built for multi-user capabilities. Therefore, in UNIX,because by default you aren't the controller of the computer, you have to run the command "sudo" in order to run admin tools. Or with Mac, you have to personally make an admin account which the average Mac user wouldn't.
2.UNIX itself uses a much more secure system of permissions which no one but the admin can change the permissions. And if some malware tries to change it, you'll get a popup asking for permission to access admin rights.
3. Mac itself has library randomization, unlike Windows, Mac's memory address randomize constantaly changes, giving hackers a less success of making buffer overflows and gaping explotation holes.
4. Mac's built-in sandboxing system allows Mac-bulitin software (iLife, iWork, blah, blah, I just use my Mac for Slackware and Ubuntu) to run without interfering with the system and when you "X" the application, the hidden process also terminates along with it.
5. And while it's expensive as ****, Mac system's hardware are all from Apple, so you can send it in for checkup.
Bonus. Oh and for running Windows programs on Mac (directly, no Virtualbox or Boot Camp), use WINE: an application that gives your UNIX system a compability layer for Windows .dll dependent .exe files. If the program turns out to be a virus, all it's doing is attacking a virtual Windows directory with like 40-ish files. Compability's not the best, but it's pretty good. Played Grant Theft Auto: San Andreas at almost full speed on that thing. And the best thing: it's open-source and free.

You see, with Mac and UNIX, hackers have to find new ways to exploit things.
tl;dr Use Linux if you're cheap.

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Well, it's more pointing to the UNIX system.
1. UNIX, unlike Windows, is built for multi-user capabilities. Therefore, in UNIX,because by default you aren't the controller of the computer, you have to run the command "sudo" in order to run admin tools. Or with Mac, you have to personally make an admin account which the average Mac user wouldn't.
2.UNIX itself uses a much more secure system of permissions which no one but the admin can change the permissions. And if some malware tries to change it, you'll get a popup asking for permission to access admin rights.
3. Mac itself has library randomization, unlike Windows, Mac's memory address randomize constantaly changes, giving hackers a less success of making buffer overflows and gaping explotation holes.
4. Mac's built-in sandboxing system allows Mac-bulitin software (iLife, iWork, blah, blah, I just use my Mac for Slackware and Ubuntu) to run without interfering with the system and when you "X" the application, the hidden process also terminates along with it.

You see, with Mac and UNIX, hackers have to find new ways to exploit things.
tl;dr Use Linux if you're cheap.
1. Windows also uses a similar model of administrative rights vs user rights.
2. This is incorrect. The owner of a particular file can change permissions. This also works on Windows if you set it up correctly.
3. Memory randomization does next to nothing. As long as you know where something is relative to something else, it doesn't matter where the segment is.
4. If it was truly sandboxed, it wouldn't be able to do make writes outside of the sandbox, and thus wouldn't be very useful. You can sandbox applications on Windows with Sandboxie if you really want.

Hackers have to find new ways to exploit things on Windows, as well. Security updates are constantly being pushed out, and each new installment of Windows is more secure than the previous (except perhaps Windows 7, since UAC is gimped).
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Really? You said that you were underqualified to give an opinion and then made a verdict. The fact is that each brand has pros and cons, so each person should make their own choice.
thats what i said i havent used the orginal in an apple pc but i have used it on a windows pc dual booting...... i just dnt know if its the same cuz i just got it from a personal site and well it was free so idk.

If you're not stupid you're pretty safe on a Windows machine as well.
im with this guy i almost never get any viruses ^^. I dont even get spyware so yeah i support this completely XD.
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Well, it's more pointing to the UNIX system.
1. UNIX, unlike Windows, is built for multi-user capabilities. Therefore, in UNIX,because by default you aren't the controller of the computer, you have to run the command "sudo" in order to run admin tools. Or with Mac, you have to personally make an admin account which the average Mac user wouldn't.
2.UNIX itself uses a much more secure system of permissions which no one but the admin can change the permissions. And if some malware tries to change it, you'll get a popup asking for permission to access admin rights.
3. Mac itself has library randomization, unlike Windows, Mac's memory address randomize constantaly changes, giving hackers a less success of making buffer overflows and gaping explotation holes.
4. Mac's built-in sandboxing system allows Mac-bulitin software (iLife, iWork, blah, blah, I just use my Mac for Slackware and Ubuntu) to run without interfering with the system and when you "X" the application, the hidden process also terminates along with it.
5. And while it's expensive as ****, Mac system's hardware are all from Apple, so you can send it in for checkup.
Bonus. Oh and for running Windows programs on Mac (directly, no Virtualbox or Boot Camp), use WINE: an application that gives your UNIX system a compability layer for Windows .dll dependent .exe files. If the program turns out to be a virus, all it's doing is attacking a virtual Windows directory with like 40-ish files. Compability's not the best, but it's pretty good. Played Grant Theft Auto: San Andreas at almost full speed on that thing. And the best thing: it's open-source and free.

You see, with Mac and UNIX, hackers have to find new ways to exploit things.
tl;dr Use Linux if you're cheap.
User Account Controls does the same thing as this apparent mystical thing that the mac does with a popup with something about malware changes. And did you know that Linux is can do everything UNIX can do, but more and better?

Though I don't know if hackers have to find new ways to exploit things on UNIX when apple does a silent antimalware update patching more than 40+ exploits.

And you have to remember that Apple is it's "own" OS, so really you're just paying 3x the normal price for an Apple logo on your case.

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1. Windows also uses a similar model of administrative rights vs user rights.
2. This is incorrect. The owner of a particular file can change permissions. This also works on Windows if you set it up correctly.
Keep in the mind that the permissions system only became as proactive as they are now in Vista. In XP, you could easily modify system files without authentication, providing your are an admin. Furthermore, you can plug access and modify a Windows filesystem from underneath Linux, ignoring any permissions going on there. You do a similar thing in Mac, but NTFS writing is patchy, to say the least.