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Started by Chad - August 27th, 2010 2:37 AM
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I know what you mean, but for me its not right. I mean humans are creating a way to live longer which isn't natural. I don't think we need a lot of these medications. But still, testing on animals seems cruel to me. If we test on people who are condemned to death because they murdered I think it would be just as good :/

Wow, I sound kinda heartless saying that D:
The way you are saying it makes it sound like ALL of them are for humans. In actuality, most are (I admit that), but there are animal ones too (hence why vets give shots for dogs, and cat sprays and stuff). Not everything tested is for humans, so... It kinda makes sense, in a bizarre way.

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The way you are saying it makes it sound like ALL of them are for humans. In actuality, most are (I admit that), but there are animal ones too (hence why vets give shots for dogs, and cat sprays and stuff). Not everything tested is for humans, so... It kinda makes sense, in a bizarre way.

Don't worry, I sound heartless for saying that animal testing is justifiable. But, you have to admit, in scientific terms, it does make sense. You go from basic cells, to more advance creatures, before reaching the target. In ethical views, not so much You can see how I passed Science and still have a small social life
Well, they test dog medicine on dogs, etc., so then why can't they do the same with humans? I've seen many different types of animal cruelty things in different countries.

lol on the second paragraph XD


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Well, they test dog medicine on dogs, etc., so then why can't they do the same with humans? I've seen many different types of animal cruelty things in different countries.

lol on the second paragraph XD
It links back to what I said about complexity. We begin with the most simple - basic cells. We move up to simple behaviour creatures, we move up to slightly more complexed, before reaching us. In theory, a dog doesn't have the same amount of potential neuron pathways as a human, nor imagination (apparently), or a few things humans have, so isn't as complex a being. In theory. I disagree with Animal Testing (but I also do agree with the theory)


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It links back to what I said about complexity. We begin with the most simple - basic cells. We move up to simple behaviour creatures, we move up to slightly more complexed, before reaching us. In theory, a dog doesn't have the same amount of potential neuron pathways as a human, nor imagination (apparently), or a few things humans have, so isn't as complex a being. In theory. I disagree with Animal Testing (but I also do agree with the theory)
Oh. Well, still I rather have the drugs not tested on animals unless it is of utmost importance.


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Oh. Well, still I rather have the drugs not tested on animals unless it is of utmost importance.
You say that, yet the drugs cannot be developed when important, as it requires such a long process to just test them on humans. If we need to test them on animals too, it takes a good... Well about 5 years if done properly (yet more like higher...) before it is deemed safe for commercial sale.


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You say that, yet the drugs cannot be developed when important, as it requires such a long process to just test them on humans. If we need to test them on animals too, it takes a good... Well about 5 years if done properly (yet more like higher...) before it is deemed safe for commercial sale.
I still think we should test them on serial killers. :/
Just to make it even.


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I still think we should test them on serial killers. :/
Just to make it even.
But that would help them. Never live with the guilt. Surely better to mock them by making them not important to humanity. Testing on them fuels their "God" complex, where they feel the human race owes them, making them worse. And a mutation could make them deadly (may I dare say Batman villains?)


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But that would help them. Never live with the guilt. Surely better to mock them by making them not important to humanity. Testing on them fuels their "God" complex, where they feel the human race owes them, making them worse. And a mutation could make them deadly (may I dare say Batman villains?)
Those mutations are logically impossible. :/ If a mutation did occur they would die a short while after.


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Those mutations are logically impossible. :/ If a mutation did occur they would die a short while after.
Logically, yes and no. But anyway, this isn't relevant to Animal testing (though they are animals...)

All I'm saying is, animal testing you can see the theory of, as testing on less complex beings means that if no faults occur, then less chance of faults may occur if humans take it.


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Logically, yes and no. But anyway, this isn't relevant to Animal testing (though they are animals...)

All I'm saying is, animal testing you can see the theory of, as testing on less complex beings means that if no faults occur, then less chance of faults may occur if humans take it.
Well, even though I am confused I'll say this;
Its not right either way. But, I still understand its better, but in no way I agree with animal testings.


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Well, even though I am confused I'll say this;
Its not right either way. But, I still understand its better, but in no way I agree with animal testings.
I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but you can see why it is done. I don't agree with it, but if I had my way, I'd continue it because it is better than seeing people suffering in the world. There is always a price.


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I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but you can see why it is done. I don't agree with it, but if I had my way, I'd continue it because it is better than seeing people suffering in the world. There is always a price.
I agree. But, I also think humans should live/die naturally :/


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If it can save human lives, I don't care if a thousand animals die. People are infinitely more important to me than animals. I try not to be too aggressive about my opinions, but this is one that I feel very strongly about. I have seen good people who spend their lives trying to develop cures for diseases that could save millions be ridiculed as murderers by "animal rights" activists. The way I see it, those people are the real murderers, those who would sacrifice human lives in favor of animals. People are dying right now from diseases that could be cured with research on animals, and anyone that would interfere with that research is no better than a murderer to me.

Normally I would think such words a bit harsh, but if you listen to the "animal rights" people (especially PETA), you'd think my words are the epitome of kindness compared to what they say about people who share my beliefs.
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If it can save human lives, I don't care if a thousand animals die. People are infinitely more important to me than animals. I try not to be too aggressive about my opinions, but this is one that I feel very strongly about. I have seen good people who spend their lives trying to develop cures for diseases that could save millions be ridiculed as murderers by "animal rights" activists.
Hmmm I still think they should experiment on human criminals rather than on animals who have done nothing wrong.

Also maybe they should televise some of the less disgusting experiments because people like to watch bad stuff happening to criminals. The format of the show could be like they spend the first twenty minutes talking about the crimes which the person has done and there will be interviews with the victims and reconstructions of the crimes and things like that: this will be to make sure that the viewer hates the criminal by the time the program shows him being experimented on so we will not feel sorry for him. And then after that there will be a montage of video clips showing the criminal undergoing the experiments. Also to make sure it is not too disgusting they will play an upbeat song like The Lion Sleeps Tonight over top of the montage.

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Well who else do you want to test it on, science can not continue to grow without a few sacrifices along the way. But on the other end, I couldn't bring myself to ever do it; let alone say it.
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Depends on the animal, in my humble opinion.

For one thing, I wouldn't mind experimentation on pitbulls. Those things scare me.

Unless, of course, it's genetic experimentation to build a better pitbull. *Shudder*


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Depends on the animal, in my humble opinion.

For one thing, I wouldn't mind experimentation on pitbulls. Those things scare me.

Unless, of course, it's genetic experimentation to build a better pitbull. *Shudder*
Want to know how to get a better pitbull? Train it. They are just the same as other dogs. They were bred to be aggressive to other dogs though, not humans. But many pitbull owners just get one to seem "cool" and 'dangerous'. For their own personal image. And then don't bother training the dog because it's ''cool'' if they let it go wild. That, and the media doesn't help. Heaps of people get badly attacked by different dogs everyday, but everyone focuses on pits. And then plenty of people don't know what one looks like, which causes pitbulls being blamed when it wasn't even a pit attack. You can't blame a whole breed. That's like saying all of one race is evil because several people of that race are bad. (though dogs can't really be bad, they don't have the knowledge of right or wrong)

I also second criminals (mass murder, rape etc) being tested. I do wonder if we should even have all of this medical stuff. Things die. That's life. Sometimes it may be your own fault (maybe you were a heavy smoker?). But it's life. We have to accept it. But at the same time I don't know what I'd do if I was on my death bed with the choice of medication or death. Maybe I'd go naturally, or maybe I'd go, hey hold on I still have my whole life ahead of me! And I can't say I don't take the occasional panadol when I'm in pain.

So I don't agree with animal testing, but I'm not one of those people who'd break in and free the mice. Mainly because if they weren't born and raised in the wild, they're not going to live long out there (and I can't keep a heap of mice. I don't have the money, the space, or the time. It'd be just as cruel) Even so, if they must test on an animal, I'd want them to do it on mice, just because I'm pretty sure they only live for a year or so (could be wrong though, not a mouse expert.) Where as guinea pigs live for an average of 5 years. There are things we can do to prevent getting cancers etc though anyway so if we just prevented ourselves from getting them.... (except theres a lot of cancers with an unknown cause).
But I don't think it's going to stop. So theres nothing I can do. I can't even protest since there's no labs here. Sorry if all of that makes no sense. I'm incredibly tired.