Same-Sex Marriages will not resume in California Page 2

Started by FreakyLocz14 August 28th, 2010 4:41 PM
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FreakyLocz14

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And if the judges are all conservative, then how can they be objective when they're always going to lean that way?

And yes, religion does have a hand here. Same sex marriage isnt looked well upon by the church, or by Christianity. It may not be in Prop 8, but the opposition to same sex marriage is rooted in America's Judeo-christian belief system.

And the "southern democrats" you speak of, werent democrats at all. They're conservatives, its just that ideological shift in the 60s-70 to blame.



But we dont have a direct say in all ares of government. In example, The electoral college technically chooses the president, not the popular vote. So the electoral college, made up of some electors, can throw out 50 million votes essentially.
No, the Southern Democrats do still exist. There are plenty of conservative Deomcrats from the South that exist in the politics there. And yes they were Democrats because they were members of the Democratic party. There wasn't an ideological shift, there have been liberal and conservative ends of both major parties for as long as they existed. Richard Nixon, who was actually quite center-left, is who championed the Republican Party's dominance in the South.

Just because Christians tend to believe something doesn't make a law a theocratic law. Christians tend to oppose drug usage and sales as well as opposing the legalization of child pornography. Should these legalized because the majority of Christians support it, hence violating the Establishement Clause?

The Electoral College is a federal function, so that's irrelevant to this discussion. Proposition 8 is a state law, and in the State of California, people have a large amount of power to pass laws based on a direct popular vote.
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And people like me did not deny blacks the vote. People like me freed the slaves and led the way in the black civil rights movement. Who were the KKK? Oh, that's right, Southern Democrats.
You took the entirety of my message out of context, at least, what you read.

You posted a thread that was a debate, you cannot ignore parts of people's posts and only reply to other bits. If you don't read everything, it makes you extremely ignorant towards the debate and it makes it so your posts are not worth reading.

I am not being rude, I am just saying that you shouldn't just pick what you do and don't like in a post and only reply to that. Especially in a debate. It's rather rude. :(

Also, the rules of democrats and republicans have switched over time in the US. The republicans used to be more progressive, now they're not. Democrats used to be backwards, now they're not.

However I wouldn't call Republicans backwards, they just like things to stay the way they are. :/

Anyway, your entire side of the debate (as in, posts from you) are ultimately flawed by the fact that you don't read people's posts.
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No, the Southern Democrats do still exist. There are plenty of conservative Deomcrats from the South that exist in the politics there. And yes they were Democrats because they were members of the Democratic party. There wasn't an ideological shift, there have been liberal and conservative ends of both major parties for as long as they existed. Richard Nixon, who was actually quite center-left, is who championed the Republican Party's dominance in the South.

Just because Christians tend to believe something doesn't make a law a theocratic law. Christians tend to oppose drug usage and sales as well as opposing the legalization of child pornography. Should these legalized because the majority of Christians support it, hence violating the Establishement Clause?

The Electoral College is a federal function, so that's irrelevant to this discussion. Proposition 8 is a state law, and in the State of California, people have a large amount of power to pass laws based on a direct popular vote.

And we all know how well things worked out for Nixon.


But when we allow personal religious beliefs to permeate into government function, it is a theocratic law. Those that argue against same sex marriage, do so through the traditional, biblical interpretation of marriage, that it should be between a man and woman because that was the way it supposedly designed to be. So making laws based on personal religious beliefs is both illogical and unconstitutional.

Notice you said "tend" Anybody in their right mind would try to limit the sales of drugs and pornography, so that really doesn't have any bearing towards your argument at all. And the establishment clause was designed to prevent the exact same thing you're supporting, an establishment, or favoring of certain religious values and practices within the government.




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Just because the majority believes in something, that doesn't make them right. :(
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Just because the majority believes in something, that doesn't make them right. :(
No, but it's wrong the majority what they want. Though, their are plenty of things wrong with not letting gay people marry.

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And we all know how well things worked out for Nixon.


But when we allow personal religious beliefs to permeate into government function, it is a theocratic law. Those that argue against same sex marriage, do so through the traditional, biblical interpretation of marriage, that it should be between a man and woman because that was the way it supposedly designed to be. So making laws based on personal religious beliefs is both illogical and unconstitutional.

Notice you said "tend" Anybody in their right mind would try to limit the sales of drugs and pornography, so that really doesn't have any bearing towards your argument at all. And the establishment clause was designed to prevent the exact same thing you're supporting, an establishment, or favoring of certain religious values and practices within the government.



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Actually the Yes on 8 campaign didn't base their campaign on religion or by saying that same-sex marriage or even that homosexuality in general is immoral. Their message was a voters vs. judges on whether we should allow activist judges to overturn the people's vote. They also claimed that same-sex marriage would be taught in public schools if it were allowed to continue happening. I'm not saying I agree with their reasoning, but I'm merely pointing out that Prop 8 wasn't passed on religious grounds.

Just because the majority believes in something, that doesn't make them right. :(
There is no right and wrong in politics, there are only opinions. That's why we have elections: to see whose opinion will prevail and become policy.

And all of your points you made were fallacious personal attacks and have not merit in a debate, therefore the majority of your post did not warrant a response.

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When majority opinion is that the minority should not have rights, it is the government's duty to interfere. As a Libertarian, I am generally opposed to government interference, but this is one of the core reasons for a government to exist.
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