Should marijuana be legalized? Page 10

Started by FreakyLocz14 September 4th, 2010 8:24 PM
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Alriiight, this topic was supposed to remain calm, and allow people to answer the title question. D: Sooo lets not get too off-topic here. Bringing homosexuality and what not into this, drags it away from the original question. Don't really want to have close this, when some people could still give answers. @[email protected]

Although, I will say that IMO.. legalizing marijuana won't at all cause most of the population to walk around stoned. It might actually tame the abuse of the drug in some way, since sooo many people use it as a rebellious act. If there's no rebel thrill there, and it's just another drug on the shelf (so to speak), I think some of it's appeal will be lost.


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Alriiight, this topic was supposed to remain calm, and allow people to answer the title question. D: Sooo lets not get too off-topic here. Bringing homosexuality and what not into this, drags it away from the original question. Don't really want to have close this, when some people could still give answers. @[email protected]

Although, I will say that IMO.. legalizing marijuana won't at all cause most of the population to walk around stoned. It might actually tame the abuse of the drug in some way, since sooo many people use it as a rebellious act. If there's no rebel thrill there, and it's just another drug on the shelf (so to speak), I think some of it's appeal will be lost.
I definitely think if some of the edge, mystique and rebellion is taken away by legalizing it, the use of the drug could actually fall. Any kid's I've known who have done any drug, usually say rebellion and/or not knowing about it enough (the mystique part) to be their biggest factors in doing it.

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Do you have any evidence on what it does to people with schizophrenia in their family history?
and do you have any evidence on how it effects the entire population or just the people in these scientific trials? Also how extensive were these trials and how many people were involved? do you have that information?
Where are you even getting your information from? (if you've posted links in previous pages tell me which page)

I am not going to change my mind on this, I've seen how it can effect people. But it would be interesting to see how correct your sources are!
You have the burden of proof here. In order to justify the criminalization of cannabis, if it's on a claim of medical dangers, you must provide the studies that say so, not the other way around. Otherwise, if you said "Cannabis creates an invisible poltergeist that haunts the user for the rest of their lives," I'd have to find a study that proves otherwise when that is impossible.

That said, the studies that have claimed these things in the first place have been overturned, or were downright fraudulent. For example, on the claim that cannabis kills brain cells, this was "proven" by the Heath-Tulane study in which monkeys were suffocated with cannabis smoke. When you die, the first thing that happens is that your brain cells start to die. They then pointed to this and claimed that it was the cannabis smoke, not the fact that they suffocated the monkeys, that caused the brain cells to die. Utter garbage.

Now, if you'd like to provide a valid study that proves any of the harms mentioned here, then we could move forward on what we can do about them. Good luck with that.

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I definitely think if some of the edge, mystique and rebellion is taken away by legalizing it, the use of the drug could actually fall. Any kid's I've known who have done any drug, usually say rebellion and/or not knowing about it enough (the mystique part) to be their biggest factors in doing it.

Take the teeth away from the proverbial piranha, and it's harmless.
i don't think most people do marijuana because they aren't legally supposed to, it's not like they're in their rooms smoking a joint and going "yeah man we're breaking the law woooot." they do it because it feels good and they do it with their friends when they want to relax.
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i don't think most people do marijuana because they aren't legally supposed to, it's not like they're in their rooms smoking a joint and going "yeah man we're breaking the law woooot." they do it because it feels good and they do it with their friends when they want to relax.
heh, i can see people doing exactly that-- primarily teens. it's that subconscious feeling of empowerment and giving into the peer pressure to rebel...and that i can say from experience. i don't think that's the mindset of all drug-users (especially not marijuana-users) and i do acknowledge that natural adolescent curiosity plays a role, but i think it's obvious there's rebellious hype surrounding illegal drugs that appeals to young people, and deriving from that spectrum of young users is a developing habit that keeps them hooked through adulthood (thus adding to consumption statistics).
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I'm all for marijuana being legalized. Its isn't addictive like other drugs, which is a big plus. I'm not fully sure on it ability to cause any type of cancer, but to the best of my knowledge there isn't one reported case of it happening. It won't destroy your liver like the drink or screw up any internal organs like the other hard drugs do. It can be "a gateway drug", but it doesn't have to be. I have smoked marijuana before, I got high, the high wore off, end of story. I had enough common sense not to smoke more then I could handle or go drink to amplify the high. I didn't get curious and wonder how crack or cocaine or any other drug would affect me. Why? Again, common sense. I've read about marijuana, read the studies, and talked to people who have used and have been using it for a long time, because of this I know that the only seemingly bad thing that happens as a result of smoking is that your lungs might hurt for a bit after words. That's not the case with other drugs. Its been proven that hard drugs; cocaine, crack, PCP, whatever else can and will hurt you. Possibly kill you. If more people had enough common sense to "close the gate" so to speak, I think marijuana would be legalized fairly quickly. As for those people who might say "all drugs are bad", you're ignorant. What do you have to back-up that statement, morals you were taught as a child? If you haven't tried all drugs or at least seen the effects of all drugs you have zero grounds for making that statement. "Drugs aren't pure". "Purity" is nothing more then a concept meant to keep people from doing bad. Even so, marijuana is a 100% natural, purely Earth grown, drug.
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It can be "a gateway drug", but it doesn't have to be.
The only gateway is that dealers might want to get you on harder stuff. Legalize it, and you have better odds of milk being a gateway to alcohol than cannabis to cocaine.


"Drugs aren't pure". "Purity" is nothing more then a concept meant to keep people from doing bad.
Yup, you can't legislate morality.

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If it's only used for medical purposes, sure. In general? Nope.

(It might already be legal for medical purposes idk)
And it could be limited as in how much you're allowed to have, idk. :x
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If it's only used for medical purposes, sure. In general? Nope.

(It might already be legal for medical purposes idk)
Any particular reason why it shouldn't be legalized in general? I can understand if you don't want to do it (though I don't accept "it's bad for you" as a legit reason behind not doing it, however simply wanting to stay a sober person is alright) but that doesn't mean everybody should follow your sentiments, and to be honest if you aren't against alcohol and tobacco.. you'd have to be a bit hypocritical to take a stance opposite marijuana legalization. If you do happen to oppose those well more power to you but they're not going anywhere anytime soon, and there's no reason for them to be going anywhere. People have the right to do what they want to their bodies, and if they're paying medical insurance for the possible medical bills they'll incur, possible being the main idea, then it doesn't bother me.

Well... Prop 19 went up in smoke.
Hahaha, indeed. I'm surprised with myself really, I thought I would've taken it a lot worse than I have but I'm truly apathetic towards it. Regardless I'll still argue it's legalization because almost all anti legalization arguments are silly and made up.

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Any particular reason why it shouldn't be legalized in general? I can understand if you don't want to do it (though I don't accept "it's bad for you" as a legit reason behind not doing it, however simply wanting to stay a sober person is alright) but that doesn't mean everybody should follow your sentiments, and to be honest if you aren't against alcohol and tobacco.. you'd have to be a bit hypocritical to take a stance opposite marijuana legalization. If you do happen to oppose those well more power to you but they're not going anywhere anytime soon, and there's no reason for them to be going anywhere. People have the right to do what they want to their bodies, and if they're paying medical insurance for the possible medical bills they'll incur, possible being the main idea, then it doesn't bother me.
There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about opposing one thing and not opposing another. I repeat,

Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
is not being committed in any way shape or form. Thing you need to realize, like, right now, is that because all things are different it is not POSSIBLE to be a hypocrite merely by supporting two different views that might seem to be against each other to you. Because in reality, that's not evidence enough to say. All it is is irony. Nothing more.


For instance, I am against smoking, including marijuana, but not against drinking. Am I a hypocrite? No. That would be bigotry to call me that. It turns out I have a reason for the way I view things.

Gasp.

Calling someone a hypocrite, most incorrectly used insult ever


I'm against smoking because it's invasive and is not "their choice" as a result. You can't make a choice to damage someone else's health. That to me is wrong. I'm against getting drunk, because it tends to become invasive. Not against drinking, however.

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Hypocritical in the sense that most people who oppose marijuana say something along the lines of 'drugs are bad' and then you'll see them drinking a 40 the next day, I know people like this. Turns out, alcohol is a drug as well! Thanks for getting involved in an a/b conversation though, now can you c your way out! XD; I'm just kidding, please don't get angry!

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In terms of rebellion, no, I smoke marijuana when I have it, I purchase it and use it recreationaly, not ti 'fight the man' for lack of a better word.
It just works for ME, I'm not about to speak for millions of people, but when I've got, or smoke marijuana with someone who has it, my autistic social ineptitude seems to just, disappear. I get along with people I normally wouldn't because of the autistic properties I display. I don't just go around telling people I'm autistic, no, but normally I'm very quiet, I keep to myself, and I avoid contact with other people. Then I [b]BLAZE UP!![/u] It helps me work on my autism because my need to be socially detached is no longer apparent, I become happy, I talk to people, and I make more friends, even if THEY aren't high.

My autism is hard to deal with otherwise, I just, DON'T do things that have to do with other people, I can't really help it, but it REALLY helps when I come down from a high while still with that group of people, cause then I'm forced to be as chilled around people, and in the end I lose that autistic aspect of me. (It come back once I go home and I'm by myself for a while, but eh, I'm not complaining.)

Other than that I'll smoke by myself too, watch some funny videos, maybe have a bowl of cereal, and relax and enjoy not believing I'm a biological robot.

I'm against smoking because it's invasive and is not "their choice" as a result. You can't make a choice to damage someone else's health. That to me is wrong. I'm against getting drunk, because it tends to become invasive. Not against drinking, however.

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I beg to differ, you CAN choose not to damage someone else's health, it's called being considerate and not smoking around them. It's the kind of people who don't care and continue to smoke around those who do not wish to smoke that cause the problem.

I myself am against drinking, my father killed himself while drinking alcohol, and before that, my step-dad decided to go on a drunken spree and break things all over the house, as well as physically harm me, my sister, and my mother. (He has since then been divorced.)
My Grandfather basically lives at a bar, and refuses to stop drinking.
My best friend Mike's step-father has liver problems and still refuses to stop drinking. He has a wall of beer bottles 10 feet high and 12 feet wide.

From my own personal (Not speaking for everyone) experience, alcohol seems to cause MUCH MUCH more damage to people's lives than smoking ever will.
(Besides how often do you see people who are high on marijuana actually hurt people, it's the people who are not high who want more marijuana who hurt others for it. If it were legalized then that pseudo "need" for weed would easily be curved since it is readily available, like a snickers bar, people'd be like, "Meh, I can get one any time, not that big of a deal."
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Pot is safer than alcohol, and alcohol IS a drug. So it's nonsense to accept one while banning the other.

Those D.A.R.E. speakers who taught us all that propaganda about cannabis and other substances and how we should never ever touch them, but went home and drank a beer or a glass of wine with dinner are daaang hypocrites.:tired:

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Hypocritical in the sense that most people who oppose marijuana say something along the lines of 'drugs are bad' and then you'll see them drinking a 40 the next day, I know people like this. Turns out, alcohol is a drug as well!
Nobody did anything like that...

I beg to differ, you CAN choose not to damage someone else's health, it's called being considerate and not smoking around them. It's the kind of people who don't care and continue to smoke around those who do not wish to smoke that cause the problem.
Problem: Almost Nobody cares. It's been pretty much proven to me by now that people are very willing to victimize innocents in favor of an "It's my choice" point of view if they can get away with it.

They're either smoking around their friends, or their co-workers, or even their own family! ...It's disgusting really.

...How likely do you think it is that smokers are going to conform to going to some isolated place in order to smoke legally when so many clearly don't care about others in the first place?

Also, drinking =/= getting drunk. There's a fine threshold there.

Pot is safer than alcohol, and alcohol IS a drug. So it's nonsense to accept one while banning the other.

Those D.A.R.E. speakers who taught us all that propaganda about cannabis and other substances and how we should never ever touch them, but went home and drank a beer or a glass of wine with dinner are daaang hypocrites.:tired:
That does not mean they are not hypocrites. You clearly don't know what a hypocrite is. You, however are practicing bigotry by calling them hypocrites. =|
Hypocrisy is the act of persistently pretending to hold beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie.
Marijuana is is not "safe". I don't know what exactly you heard, but pot does have side effects, and some of them can be bad and even deadly when combined with certain situations. For instance, you should never drive while under the effects of marijuana. Here take this study for good measure. ( http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/driving.htm ) I would say that something is dangerous when it can be combined with a common daily activity to cause life threatening situations. No?
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Nobody did anything like that...



Problem: Almost Nobody cares. It's been pretty much proven to me by now that people are very willing to victimize innocents in favor of an "It's my choice" point of view if they can get away with it.

They're either smoking around their friends, or their co-workers, or even their own family! ...It's disgusting really.

...How likely do you think it is that smokers are going to conform to going to some isolated place in order to smoke legally when so many clearly don't care about others in the first place?
I care, and so does most of the people over here on the WEST coast.
A lot of it has to do with where you live, from my own travels to the west coast (All up and down it, Southern Texas, to Southern Florida, AAAALLLL the way up to the north most corner of Maine.) and from what I can tell, yeah, nobody really cares, same with California, but most of the states in-between have laws about that kind of thing, and many many places are no-smoking zones. And nobody likes the people that don't abide by them, simple as that. Take my mom for instance, she is a cigarette smoker, and she always makes sure to go outside away from people who don't want to breather the smoke, and in my case, most of my friends DON'T smoke cigarettes, so when I do, and they want to be near me, I always try my best to blow the smoke AWAY from them, and I apologize for the inconvenience.

Saying most people don't care about it is like saying most people don't care when alcoholics waste their lives and hurt the lives of others, smoking might affect someones physical health, but drinking can, and usually does, affect both the physical health and mental health of not only the drinker, but those associated with the drinker.
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Saying most people don't care about it is like saying most people don't care when alcoholics waste their lives and hurt the lives of others, smoking might affect someones physical health, but drinking can, and usually does, affect both the physical health and mental health of not only the drinker, but those associated with the drinker.
That's wonderful for you...but...

Every day, when I go into work, I take a dinner break. It would just so seem to happen that almost every single one of my co-workers...smokes. Every break, they will smoke, right at the store. Every day, I have to worry about choking on someone's smoke. People have sat down, right next to me, and started smoking. I have even been asked to give people lights. Offered cigarettes.

It also just so happens that every single one of my co-workers, are incredibly nice people otherwise.

I'm afraid I just don't believe you when you say people care. I have seen firsthand proof that they don't, and believe that nothing short of direct action against them is going to stop them from doing this.

I think the problem comes from the fact that smoking kills slowly and over time. Whereas the invasive parts of alcohol hurt/kill very suddenly.
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I would agree Marijuana should be legalized,
Sociologically its proven that "What is forbidden, its the funnest"
So if its legalized, people will get out of control smoking it for about a year maybe?
Then they will get bored and it wont be fun anymore because its legal, making people quit.
Marijuana is not addictive, highly proven, someone can smoke it once, and not smoke for 6 months if wanted. Society is the drug that pushes you to do things, when society finds it legal it wont be as fun as it used to, or pushed as it used to.
Yes it can be a gateway drug to heavier stuff, but if you think about it, so is alcohol, so is tobacco.
Drugs screwing up your life depends of the person, not the drug.
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Well, I have never smoked pot, prolly never will but there's less dangers to using pot than alcohol.

I think if it's regulated, it would be another taxable income for governments also it will give drug dealer types less money so it will help a little to actually clean up drugs on the streets.

Gotta work out the details, but I think it would be good to legalize it but keep it regulated, like alcohol.
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Nobody did anything like that...
Pokemon Trainer Yellow you seem to be confused. That's the whole reason I asked her you silly pokemon trainer you!

Gotta work out the details, but I think it would be good to legalize it but keep it regulated, like alcohol.
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That's wonderful for you...but...

Every day, when I go into work, I take a dinner break. It would just so seem to happen that almost every single one of my co-workers...smokes. Every break, they will smoke, right at the store. Every day, I have to worry about choking on someone's smoke. People have sat down, right next to me, and started smoking. I have even been asked to give people lights. Offered cigarettes.

It also just so happens that every single one of my co-workers, are incredibly nice people otherwise.

I'm afraid I just don't believe you when you say people care. I have seen firsthand proof that they don't, and believe that nothing short of direct action against them is going to stop them from doing this.

I think the problem comes from the fact that smoking kills slowly and over time. Whereas the invasive parts of alcohol hurt/kill very suddenly.

Are you JOKING me? Alcohol kills over time as well, have you ever heard of liver failure?
My grandfather had to have half of his liver removed and replaced because of his addiction and he STILL wont quit.
And if the smoke bothers you, why don't you take initiative and tell the persons you have a problem with that you would rather not inhale the smoke and that you'd appreciate it if they'd smoke elsewhere. It isn't hard.

I'd like to make a point that though I sound contradicting, I'm not trying to, I just come across as such. I'm not trying to prove you wrong, in fact you're completely right, but I'm right too, and that can not be denied without being completely incorrect.
I finf your ability to hold up a serious discussion nice, I don't run into that often enough, and I respect you for that.
With this, I'm done, I believe I've made my point for everyone to hear, though it IS off topic, and doesn't relate whatsoever to my original post.
To summarize, though the smoke inhalation by those who are in contact with those who smoke may cause a slow and untimely death, and alcohol slowly kills the user, and could kill those around them at any given point in time. I believe marijuana SHOULD be legalized, as it's financial benefits, as well as it's recreational benefits and medicinal benefits, SIGNIFICANTLY outweigh the negative effects. (Fun Fact, Marijuana Smoke contains less carcinogens than cigarette smoke, most anti-drug campaigns fight to emphasize the illegality of the substance, and falsify information about it, it does not control you, unless you let it, like alcohol.)
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That's wonderful for you...but...

Every day, when I go into work, I take a dinner break. It would just so seem to happen that almost every single one of my co-workers...smokes. Every break, they will smoke, right at the store. Every day, I have to worry about choking on someone's smoke. People have sat down, right next to me, and started smoking. I have even been asked to give people lights. Offered cigarettes.

It also just so happens that every single one of my co-workers, are incredibly nice people otherwise.

I'm afraid I just don't believe you when you say people care. I have seen firsthand proof that they don't, and believe that nothing short of direct action against them is going to stop them from doing this.

I think the problem comes from the fact that smoking kills slowly and over time. Whereas the invasive parts of alcohol hurt/kill very suddenly.
Well Cigarette smoke =/= Marijuana smoke. Marijuana smoke lacks the tar, carcinogens, and nicotine, basically everything that makes cigarettes unhealthy.

And alchohol kills about as fast as a bad Rick Roll does. It takes many years for the body to accumulate enough damage from Alcohol abuse to significantly harm them. I.E, Liver failure at 50 or 60.

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Well Cigarette smoke =/= Marijuana smoke. Marijuana smoke lacks the tar, carcinogens, and nicotine, basically everything that makes cigarettes unhealthy.


It's a myth that smoking marijuana isn't bad for you. =/ Smoking anything is bad for you. Even cigarettes can be made safe for human use by using the nicotine and tobacco in a way that isn't smoking them. So step off that horse.

We don't want to share your smoking habit and we expect you to respect that. If you won't, well, we have nothing more to discuss.

And alchohol kills about as fast as a bad Rick Roll does. It takes many years for the body to accumulate enough damage from Alcohol abuse to significantly harm them. I.E, Liver failure at 50 or 60.
Really? Explain the extremely sudden deaths of thousands of people every year at the hands of alcohol in things like drunk driver accidents. Explain violent drunks. Heck. Explain not-quite-violent drunks who like to harass people in other ways while you're at it. And don't derp up a storm about how the alcohol didn't "technically" kill these people, or hurt these people. We both know it directly and heavily influenced
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