Should marijuana be legalized? Page 6

Started by FreakyLocz14 September 4th, 2010 8:24 PM
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Whether or not marijuana is a gateway drug is personal. There are some drug addicts who started out with marijuana while there are a lot of people who smoke marijuana but don't use any other type of drug save the legal tobacco and alcohol.
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It's not like everyone who does smoke will always move to harder drugs, it's just that when it does happen lives get ruined


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It's not like everyone who does smoke will always move to harder druga, it's just that when it does happen lives get ruined
That's not always true either, but I'm sure the harder drugs aren't going to improve anybody's lives.

And on the part about taxing marijuana, if it was legal it would be much cheaper as it would be more widespread, and growers would have to lower prices to compete. So since the prices would be low compared to now, would people really be angry about it getting taxed? I figure the smokers would just be happy that they can get it legally, and almost everyone else would think: "Well, at least they are collecting tax off of it."

I kind of don't get exactly how less taxes would stimulate the economy. Care to explain?
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Go ahead, let stupid people make stupid decisions. But have it illegal to do in public, and by public I mean around anyone else that doesn't smoke weed. I will not be suffering for other people's mistakes, and I don't think anyone else should either, under any condition. Furthermore, quite frankly I don't care if it inconveniences the smokers. I'm sick of breathing people's mistakes, literally. And that, is the only way I would support legalizing marijuana, or smoking in general for that matter. Disagree if you will, but I work in an environment where I have to give old men lights, and sit around people who smoke, in public, all day long with a smile on my face. I've had to refuse cigarettes, with a smile on my face. I feel wrong pretending it doesn't bother me for the sake of being polite.
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That's not always true either, but I'm sure the harder drugs aren't going to improve anybody's lives.

And on the part about taxing marijuana, if it was legal it would be much cheaper as it would be more widespread, and growers would have to lower prices to compete. So since the prices would be low compared to now, would people really be angry about it getting taxed? I figure the smokers would just be happy that they can get it legally, and almost everyone else would think: "Well, at least they are collecting tax off of it."

I kind of don't get exactly how less taxes would stimulate the economy. Care to explain?
1) Lower taxes
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4) PROFIT!!!1

Sorry for the meme example but I think you get the point.

Go ahead, let stupid people make stupid decisions. But have it illegal to do in public, and by public I mean around anyone else that doesn't smoke weed. I will not be suffering for other people's mistakes, and I don't think anyone else should either, under any condition. Furthermore, quite frankly I don't care if it inconveniences the smokers. I'm sick of breathing people's mistakes, literally. And that, is the only way I would support legalizing marijuana, or smoking in general for that matter. Disagree if you will, but I work in an environment where I have to give old men lights, and sit around people who smoke, in public, all day long with a smile on my face. I've had to refuse cigarettes, with a smile on my face. I feel wrong pretending it doesn't bother me for the sake of being polite.
This.

I think smoking tobacco, marijuana, or any other drug around someone who doesn't want to be exposed to it should be illegal. People should be able to sue over this and it should be a crime if the perp did so with malice aforethought.
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Repeat offenders usually get caught doing other things and just had weed
I have inferred from this sentence that you have some sort of statistic to back it up, no?
The prison overcrowding wouldn't really be affected if weed was legal, because people who get caught for weed usually get fines or community service
No, you can absolutely go to jail on counts of substance possession and abuse.
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I hate weed. I hate its stench, and I hate its spreading influence, almost like an uncontrollable plague. Given what I've seen here, and elsewhere, weed WILL be more or less legal in around 20 years and, if my school is any indicator, at least 30% of people will smoke/use it. Am I against this? Very much so, but I have seen many times that any attempt to show the facts on weed are stuffed down the toilet. This is a losing battle that I have given up and retreated from. Those of you hoping for legalization, your patience will pay off, whether anyone else likes it or not.
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Constant you haven't had any proof that im wrong on any account or for that matter anything worthwhile to say besides random things to discredit me, and no weed crimes don't instantly put you in jail, unless you have obscene amounts.

Weed is relatively cheap as it is if you purchase from dealers, it is also much cheaper to buy from growers. If sold wide spread it's pricing will end up like more expensive just because stores would sell them at much higher prices then growers would, and they would be taxed. Prices might also rise due to the fact that many constant smokers would most likely begin to grow themselves.


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There are two things that bother me with marijuana legislation. The first is the notion that marijuana causes people significant harm, and the second is that people shouldn't be allowed to harm themselves provided they know the consequences. As I said earlier, if people know what they're doing, they should be allowed to do things harmful to themselves. However, how much harm does marijuana really cause? That's what I'd like to know; I've heard a number of people say that it's less harmful than tobacco. If that's true, there's no reason for it to be illegal.

Constant you haven't had any proof that im wrong on any account or for that matter anything worthwhile to say besides random things to discredit me, and no weed crimes don't instantly put you in jail, unless you have obscene amounts.
When you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you, not the skeptic. It is up to the person making the claim to present evidence of the truthfulness of that claim. For instance, if I claim I am a billionaire, and someone asks me for evidence of that claim, responding by saying "You do not have any proof that I am not a billionaire" is not an acceptable response, because the burden of proof is on me for making the claim to begin with.
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Proof isn't really needed when common sense and street smarts are used as tools in an argument. Statistics can push a debate one way or another, but aren't the end all be all.

Also, hes not saying anything outlandish, all the claims Nick has made are pretty realistic, and do make sense. Its pretty well known that the punishment for being caught with weed is a slap on the wrist, unless you're on probation. And even then, depending on the amount may only extend probation. Not put you in jail.

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Proof isn't really needed when common sense and street smarts are used as tools in an argument. Statistics can push a debate one way or another, but aren't the end all be all.

Also, hes not saying anything outlandish, all the claims Nick has made are pretty realistic, and do make sense. Its pretty well known that the punishment for being caught with weed is a slap on the wrist, unless you're on probation. And even then, depending on the amount may only extend probation. Not put you in jail.
That wouldn't hold up in a formalized debate, but I'll concede it this setting. However, the claim in question was that repeat offenders usually are caught for other things besides weed, which isn't something so obvious as to be covered by common sense. It was not the severity of punishment; nobody asked for statistics about that. Additionally, he has made some pretty outrageous claims, especially with regards to the effects of marijuana on future use of other drugs.
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Not that outrageous, especially when i have personally seen that happen to multiple people.


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Well I'm way too late to join in the debate, but I think it should be legal! :D and that California is taking a step in the right direction with Proposition 19. Hopefully it passes, and that many states will follow in the initiative.
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I'm going to cite the netherlands as an example here. AFAIK they have all drugs legalized, and their society hasn't collapsed, so why would ours if just pot was legalized? tbh, I don't really see any reason not to legalize pot.

I may go find articles later, too lazy right now.
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Read the thread Silver, the Netherlands has been used again and again.

For the upteenth time, the Netherlands is not a good example, because the US and Netherlands are completely different. The U.S has a much larger history with drug abuse and violence that the Netherlands do not. Just because they've successfully legalized it, and kudos to Netherlands for that, does NOT MEAN that the U.S will have the same result.

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However, how much harm does marijuana really cause? That's what I'd like to know; I've heard a number of people say that it's less harmful than tobacco. If that's true, there's no reason for it to be illegal.
But surely we should be working towards making tobacco/nicotine illegal, not making other substances legal. These things have no real benefit to society and are simply a detriment.
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For the upteenth time, the Netherlands is not a good example, because the US and Netherlands are completely different. The U.S has a much larger history with drug abuse and violence that the Netherlands do not. Just because they've successfully legalized it, and kudos to Netherlands for that, does NOT MEAN that the U.S will have the same result.
Marijuana wasn't even illegal until the beginning of the 1900s. America didn't seem to have any huge problems directly related to marijuana then, but feel free to correct me~
But surely we should be working towards making tobacco/nicotine illegal, not making other substances legal. These things have no real benefit to society and are simply a detriment.
Making them illegal will do no good either. The Volstead Act already showed us that making a popular substance illegal will only do harm. If nicotine and tobacco were made illegal, then a thriving black market will be made for it. Having no benefit to society? Well, it has an economic benefit iirc, but feel free to correct me.

The only way you could prevent people from using tobacco and nicotine without creating a black market is by educating them or using propaganda.

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Go ahead, let stupid people make stupid decisions. But have it illegal to do in public, and by public I mean around anyone else that doesn't smoke weed. I will not be suffering for other people's mistakes, and I don't think anyone else should either, under any condition. Furthermore, quite frankly I don't care if it inconveniences the smokers. I'm sick of breathing people's mistakes, literally. And that, is the only way I would support legalizing marijuana, or smoking in general for that matter. Disagree if you will, but I work in an environment where I have to give old men lights, and sit around people who smoke, in public, all day long with a smile on my face. I've had to refuse cigarettes, with a smile on my face. I feel wrong pretending it doesn't bother me for the sake of being polite.
Good point. Public smoking is a concern, since it violates the rights of nonsmokers who choose not to poison themselves, and smoke will force poison into their system whether they like it or not, and I, having relatives who smoke cigarettes, constantly have to ask them to not light up in their house when I'm visiting.
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Read the thread Silver, the Netherlands has been used again and again.

For the upteenth time, the Netherlands is not a good example, because the US and Netherlands are completely different. The U.S has a much larger history with drug abuse and violence that the Netherlands do not. Just because they've successfully legalized it, and kudos to Netherlands for that, does NOT MEAN that the U.S will have the same result.
I don't appreciate the tone you conveyed with that reply.

That being said, who's to say that the Dutch and Americans are different. Certainly not you, correct me if I'm mistaken but I highly doubt you're an expert on Dutch politics and culture, much less their society. Especially since you're a seventeen year old kid from America.

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1) Lower taxes
2) This lets people have more spending money
3) ?????
4) PROFIT!!!1

Sorry for the meme example but I think you get the point.
Ah, thanks, that does make sense. Politicians should just use memes to explain their ideas. :P

Constant you haven't had any proof that im wrong on any account or for that matter anything worthwhile to say besides random things to discredit me, and no weed crimes don't instantly put you in jail, unless you have obscene amounts.
Well if you need evidence to back up your claims, at least use real life examples that you've seen or experienced. They can't be proved either, but it's better than nothing.

Also, another thing, if it's legalized in California and not other states for a while, imagine the tourists we'd be getting, which means...... more money! $_$

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I don't appreciate the tone you conveyed with that reply.

That being said, who's to say that the Dutch and Americans are different. Certainly not you, correct me if I'm mistaken but I highly doubt you're an expert on Dutch politics and culture, much less their society. Especially since you're a seventeen year old kid from America.
Ad hominems are no way to attack an argument buddy. You don't need to be an expert to know that the U.S and Netherlands hold two completely different societies, especially in drug relations. Don't kid yourself



Luck, I'm exactly sure on the state of the US in the 1900s in relation to Marijuana, aside form the fact that around that time was (probably) the peak of the "devil plant" movement and whatnot.

And lol yeah, moreso than tourists I'd imagine there'd be an influx of new residents in CA.

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I've heard a number of people say that it's less harmful than tobacco. If that's true, there's no reason for it to be illegal.
Now, here's some common sense speaking on my part, because the ignorance of people who say Marijuana is safe, even relatively, makes me rage.

See, tobacco is bad for you. However, there are some forms of tobacco and nicotine that are meant to help people quit smoking that miraculously show no hint of doing harm to their body. The one instance I'm thinking of is a strip that is placed under the lip of the mouth.

So, why is tobacco or nicotine bad for you? Given the above logic says it's the way you use it. I mean, common sense should dictate from the start that breathing smoke from burning things is bad for you. Firemen wear breathing masks for a reason. What I'm trying to say is, if you're going to smoke something, you really should know and accept right off the back that it's bad for you whether it's tobacco, or weed, or paper, or hair, or whatever.

So yeah, whether or not it's less dangerous than tobacco, it's still smoking, which means it's bad for you.
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No. It's like saying being high is legal. Then people would start killing each other.
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Now, here's some common sense speaking on my part, because the ignorance of people who say Marijuana is safe, even relatively, makes me rage.

See, tobacco is bad for you. However, there are some forms of tobacco and nicotine that are meant to help people quit smoking that miraculously show no hint of doing harm to their body. The one instance I'm thinking of is a strip that is placed under the lip of the mouth.

So, why is tobacco or nicotine bad for you? Given the above logic says it's the way you use it. I mean, common sense should dictate from the start that breathing smoke from burning things is bad for you. Firemen wear breathing masks for a reason. What I'm trying to say is, if you're going to smoke something, you really should know and accept right off the back that it's bad for you whether it's tobacco, or weed, or paper, or hair, or whatever.

So yeah, whether or not it's less dangerous than tobacco, it's still smoking, which means it's bad for you.
Pretty sure anything is bad for you in excess. Caffeine is bad for you if you take in too much of it, as well as fat.

Anyways, it's not all bad. Cigarettes will never have enough good for me to actually use them, but they are used to release stress, and honestly, they do help some people who have stressful lives. Don't state it in a manner where you're saying "it's completely bad", even if it is almost that.
No. It's like saying being high is legal. Then people would start killing each other.
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Marijuana is a demotivator. It makes people more relaxed and lazy. And it does make everything taste better. You're thinking of crack cocaine and other drugs.