Devolution Spray

Started by SIN1488 September 9th, 2010 2:04 AM
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Should the Devolution spray be in the games as a real item?

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If nobody else remembers, this thing was a trainer card:


Now, it's a good idea for an item, but as far as I know it was never in the show, and I definitely know it was never in any of the games.

So I ask, why? It could be a good item in the game if you decide you didn't want something to evolve after all. Or you just wanted it to evolve to learn a certain move, and then devolve it. Maybe you liked a certain shiny pokemon, but then when you evolved it you didn't like the way it looked.

So do you think they should have these in the games? And to be more specific, should they be a one of a kind item like the Master Ball, or should they have a certain price on them?
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I remember that card and I also remember being pissed that I couldn't find it in Red. Back then I thought that it was a real item, it was just hard to find.

I think it'd be a good item to have in-game, but it'd also be kind of cheap to be able to buy them at marts. It should either be a one-time only item like the Masterball or come in very limited quantities, like in R/B/Y when there was only a limited number of Moon Stones. Otherwise it would make me realize I wasted hours of training and breeding to get an Arcanine with both Extremespeed and Flare Blitz. ;;

EDIT: haha, I just remembered the many episodes of the anime when Ash contemplated evolving Pikachu. How helpful this would have been.

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IMO it would have some usefulness (such as for branched evolutions and learning moves) but I'm of the camp that says all Pokemon need to reach their final form eventually because that's when they're most powerful.

And I think the whole idea of evolutions learning different moves at different levels was to have you make tough decisions. Having this item in mass quantities somewhat defeats this purpose.

And please don't introduce this item in the anime. There are precious few Pokemon that evolve anyway on the show

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The concept of devolving a Pokemon does sound neat, but I wouldn't be fond of it. In the anime: no; it wouldn't seem ethnical IMO to devolve a Pokemon (forcing it into its previous state). In the games: yes, it could come in handy.

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Ha. I remember this. Most players are children too young to use sites like Bulbapedia and Serebii effectively, right? So many of them probably won't know what the next evolution of X Pokemon is going to be when they get their new next generation game — they might not like it, and we know how young children can be... In any case I always thought they should put it in; it's up to the player whether s/he actually wants to use it.

To people saying it should be a one-off item, I think it'd be better to see three or four around, as with Ether and Elixir. People don't keep just one Pokemon.

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I like the idea but doesn't it seem a bit savage making a creature smarter and then reducing its brain size when it devolves. I believe this was also in a manga
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Oh, the times I would have wished for something like that. There are certain Pokemon I catch/obtain that I do not want to evolve. One of these instances is my starter Pokemon. I've accidentally evolved my starters so many times, and was always so pissed off about it. I usually ended up restarting the game which really sucked since I was already so far into it... </3

Yes. Make it an item. D:


Then again that gives people free-range to make crazy crap like Hydro Pump/Thunder Eevee or something weird like that. >_<;

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Back when Gold and Silver were first released in Japan, people were referring to the Everstone as the "Devolution Stone", which made me think that it was basically the in-game version of this card.
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Could always have the spray cause Pokemon to lose any moves their pre-evolutions can't learn.
Also make it only work on Pokémon you didn't force to evolve (i.e. won't work on evolution stone'd or tradevolved Pokémon), because there's nothing accidental about those actions that a devolution spray would exist to counter.

Have them in very limited numbers, perhaps even only one like the Master Ball (optionally with it also being a lottery prize).

On the other hand, though, I don't think it'd be worth it. Pokémon is all about evolution, and while you might be able to have a few gimmicks, such as an unbreedable evolved Pokémon whose baby form can only be obtained via devolution (like Phione was only obtainable via breeding), I don't really think it sits well in the Pokéworld. It doesn't feel right, somehow.
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Then again that gives people free-range to make crazy crap like Hydro Pump/Thunder Eevee or something weird like that. >_<;

To be honest I don't like this idea, a Flareon with Hydro Pump? No thank you.

And really low quality for some reason...

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As convenient as it sounds, it just doesn't make any sense. Pokemon evolution is more like a metamorphosis. The Pokemon is simply maturing. It's like turning a butterfly back into a caterpillar, a frog into a tadpole, an adult human into a baby. Frankly, it's just unethical.

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I dislike the idea, really. It would defy the laws of nature. D:

It may come in handy, but I wouldn't be using it, purely because I feel morally against it, or something. XD;
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I want the devolution spray to be in the games. I had a shiny Whismur which I now regret evolving because shiny Exploud looks too similar to its normal form. If the spray was in B/W, I could send shiny Exploud over to those games then use the spray to change it back to a Whismur.
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I remember that card and I also remember being pissed that I couldn't find it in Red. Back then I thought that it was a real item, it was just hard to find.

I think it'd be a good item to have in-game, but it'd also be kind of cheap to be able to buy them at marts. It should either be a one-time only item like the Masterball or come in very limited quantities, like in R/B/Y when there was only a limited number of Moon Stones. Otherwise it would make me realize I wasted hours of training and breeding to get an Arcanine with both Extremespeed and Flare Blitz. ;;

EDIT: haha, I just remembered the many episodes of the anime when Ash contemplated evolving Pikachu. How helpful this would have been.
i dont think it should be like a one time masterball but more like a rare candy in which there are few of but not alot of
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I wouldn't want it. There's such thing as an Everstone and pressing B. And breeding for another if you really care enough to have the previous stage. Or catching another. Or trading. Infinite solutions. Don't wanna hear about if you can't. It shouldn't matter that much to devolve. It sounds painful and inhumane anyway.
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From some of the points you stated, I'd have to reply that the B button cancels evolutions when they happen so you wouldn't need spray for that. If you didn't like a shiny's evolved form then you should have checked out what it looked like on the internet before-hand. Although, I do like the idea of evolving to learn certain moves and devolving afterwards. That is why I found myself voting 'yes'.
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Coincidentally, I browsed Bulbapedia and looked at the Slowpoke article a few days ago. That led me to a piece of trivia that mentioned if Slowbro receives a heavy blow or something to that effect, the Shellder will be knocked off and the Slowbro will revert to a Slowpoke. It was said that was the only time devolution has been referenced in the games, even though it is currently impossible to achieve in the games and anime. That "reversion" bit linked to the "Devolution" card article, and there you go...

Anyway, I think this would be an interesting feature in the games. That "Flareon w/Hydropump" hypothetical moveset mentioned earlier gave me a laugh. Regarding movesets, the feature would most likely help Pokemon with multiple evolutions, with Eevee being the epitome of this concept. However, most people evolve their Pokemon to have them reach their strongest capabilities in order to be suited for battle.

A "Devolution Spray" could help with accidents in the games, though. There may have been one or two times where I wanted to revert a Pokemon but couldn't since I had saved already. Plus, if Trainers don't know about the thing where "Pokemon who evolve via stones rarely learn any more moves upon evolving" (i.e., Raichu not being able to learn Pikachu's 'speed' techniques if evolved too quickly) and they save before learning this tidbit, then they might have to obtain a new Pokemon and start Training from scratch...

Another scenario is if you only save right before entering the Elite Four's building, you beat the Champion after a few hours, but a Pokemon happens to evolve post-battle. Since the game automatically saves after the "Champion Victory" cutscenes, you either have to accept the evolution or start the challenge over from scratch (a bit of a stretch, but still, it's a possibility).

As for rarity, I think if the Devolution Spray's rarity was equivalent to that of the Everstone, then that would suffice in the games. I mean, I hardly use the Everstone at all, but occasionally it does have its uses.

I wouldn't mind if the item didn't appear at all in the anime, but it could be an interesting plot point if a crime syndicate-affiliated professor used it for those movesets mentioned earlier (i.e., a family of Eevees, including Flareon w/Leaf Blade, Vaporeon w/Fire Blast, Jolteon w/Surf). Having Ash & co. facing off against such a bizarre Eevee family would be quite a sight to see, as well as raising a debate on the ethics of the "Devolution Spray" and using it strictly for battling purposes... :)

Of course, if the Devolution Spray eliminates all moves gained past evolution, then such an Eevee scenario as described above would be unable to come to fruition... :( But only time will tell should such an item come up in-game!
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One-off, like a Master Ball, would be the way to go. I can't believe I just found my Devolution Spray card....not that I ever used it....

And I think it would have to be like Rotom's form-changing, where the signature move reverts to Thundershock/another signature move. Boltbeaming Jolteon would be too much....especially as giving it Fire Blast would leave only Lanturn not hit...