What's with all the hate for Kanto? Page 2

Started by SandslashFTW September 9th, 2010 8:06 PM
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Forgive me for making a pretty long post here but i just wanted to post a few pics of gen 3 & 4 pokemons that i personally don't think they deserve all the hate.

Of course you are entiteled to you own opinion, but i simply do not understand how these can be considered ''bad designs'', and they by no means look like robots. I actually think that allot of these (and some others that i'm to lazy to post) could work just fine as gen 1 & 2 Pokemons. Go ahead and reply if you disagree but post why you don't like them. Also, have you tried some of these? I didn't like Sceptile until i tried using him. Now he's one of my favorite grass types.
Altaria: So called "dragon/flying' type Pokemon. All I see is a blue bird covered in fluff.
Drifbloom: A BALLOON. WTF.
Tangrowth: Seriously? It's a big Tangela.
And I don't know wtf that thing under Tangrowth is, but it looks like a Togetic on crystal meth.

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I've been reading through a couple threads and noticed a lot of hate for Kanto. How can you guys even think the new Gens are better than this one? No, it's not nostalgia, the new Pokemon are just horrible. They have too much detail and don't even look like Pokemon anymore. More like machines. I thought Pokemon were living creatures, animals. That's why I liked it so much, but the new ones are freakin' robots! I know, I know, HERP DERP DIGLETT HERP DERP VOLTORB, but those ones were simple. Simple designs were so much better, the new Pokemon look more like transformers than Pokemon ; eg. Rhyperior, Metagross, and the Gen 4 and 5 legendaries. Mewtwo was so awesome, it actually looked like a living creature. Wtf is a Dialga? Come on. Kanto and Johto ftw.

/rant
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You're the one with possibly the worst evolution ever created as an avatar... LOL

Infernape is flat out a rip off of Charizard and Blazekin. Fire on it's ass and fire/fighting type? Come on. And it's Pokemon like "Bronzong" I'm talking about when I say they don't even look like Pokemon anymore. It's a floating piece of stone with designs on it? Does it even have a gender? I thought Pokemon were like animals... Rotom is a floating lightbulb. Again, I don't consider that a Pokemon... I guess Drapion looks alright, actually looks like a living creature. Also, some of us would prefer regular cities over strange ones like the one with the treehouses in Hoenn and the island floating on Corsola (I didn't really play through Emerald that well...).
I decided to edit my post and be more specific. I'm not saying that Mr. Mime and Jynx are bad pokemons. They are actually really good ones. But nothing can ever convince me that that they don't look like crap. Mr. Mime looks like a rejected disney charakter while Jynx just looks like...ugh. I also think that Magnemite and Dugtrio are two of the laziest looking evolutions ever. Yet people completely ignore these when saying that the newer ones look like crap.

Sorry for my little rant there. I can't help it sometimes :(
Tangrowth is just fine. I like him partly because unlike other Gen 4 evolutions like Rhyperior or Togekiss it dosen't look completely overblown. It's just a larger Tangela with arms. A simple evolution you might say? Then again, you praised the first gen pokemons for being simple. Why can't i praise some gen 4 pokemons for the same reason?

Oh, and let me repeat myself from earlier. Judging pokemons by their looks alone is stupid. Take a look at Tangrowths stats for example. He's a BEAST! And even though i said that Rhyperior and Togekiss looks overblown dosen't it make them bad either.
The Pokémon community is infected with the thought that everyone who doesn't like the newer games is a nostalgia freak and gets stamped as such. The reality itself is that one truly doesn't like the games just as with other game series and not for nostalgia.

In a community one has to listen, not only write what one thinks. Even though this is a community for something as petty as Pokémon, one still has to act in a certain way and contribute and grow by listening to other members.

And this isn't done in this community where people seem to not understand each other's views because of lack of maturing. And that's why threads like these reoccur over and over again.

You act like this and get angry because you think people dislike a game just for the designs. If you "new game likers" and the "old game likers" would think maturely you'd understand each other and see that you simply like something because you like the content. Like some people preferring Majoras mask over Ocarina of Time and vice versa. The game fits with YOU. It doesn't HAVE TO fit with OTHER PEOPLE. YOUR opinion is YOURS and because others don't agree you don't need to hate them. There's no need to hate as long as you try to understand, which obviously is evident that you don't. You just say that it's your way and that's it and everyone who don't think like you are morons and reasonable to hate.

That's a very odd thing to say.

And that's because there are people like you who hate so easily over trivial things that I really dislike the Internet.

It's all about OPINION. And it's nothing to hate people over. Especially over the Internet. Come on.

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You're right I don't understand the post, if I did I would have gotten another message than that the original poster simply dislikes the games because of designs. There has been no other points in his arguments that don't mention design.

I understand you're post fine, but the way you quoted Subsuck it just seems like you're defending the original poster because you feel the same about the designs. At least you backed up with other reasons then the designs of why you didn't like the games. Really I'm just annoyed that you would go attack Subsuck just because he was sharing his love for Tangrowth and you immediately taking it as an attack for someone who attacks people because he thinks they hate the games just for the designs. As far as we know based on the original poster's posts so far, that is the only reason he hates the games.

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I see that already someone has misunderstood my big paragraph of rant. I don't hate people for having opinions. I don't hate people for disliking certain pokemon or certain games. I hate people for needlessly beating down on new pokemon without any legitimate arguements. Every complaint about a generation three, four, or five pokemon that has been made here could just as easily be thrown at a generation one or two pokemon. In addition to that, every compliment for a generation one or two pokemon could be used to praise a three, four, or five pokemon. So please stop wasting time and thread space creating wars of flaming.

Also, I've seen quite a few posts consisting of people complaining that the new legendaries are gods. After reading this, I looked up 'legend' in the dictionary. The definition is as follows:

Legend
(noun)
1. A fictional story that may or may not be based on fact.
2. A story, usually concerning gods...

As you can see, I didn't need to continue the definition. The legendary pokemon are called that for a reason; they are supposed to be gods. Mew was the ancestor of all pokemon; lugia was the 'gaurdian of the seas'. The legendary pokemon were gods, are gods, and always will be gods. They simply became more intense and important as the generations went on; it seems as though the designers have a 'save best for last' opinion. Even so, not all of the new legendaries aren't all that more 'godly' than the old ones. Shaymin can make plants grow; Celebi can do that and time travel. So please do us all a favor and stop complaining about the legendaries.
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Good point about the legendaries. It doesn't stop me disliking how many of them are branded as legendary...I'd rather there be more rare pokemon, but still......

I don't think it's quite as "save the best til last" with the legendaries, as we have Arceus now....but they're still going to come out with some brilliant ones.

But really, it's all about opinion.....and what your first game was doesn't always effect it. For example, I started with Emerald, but I dislike Jirachi, which is a Gen III pokemon, and prefer Mewtwo > Deoxys, despite never getting a Kanto game (LeafGreen) until 2008.

And you can't really criticise all of any generations pokemon for how they were designed as a whole.

For example, compare:





Both Gen IV pokemon, the top one is more complex, the lower one is simple.

I could get pokemon fitting this criteria for all generations ( Celebi and Raikou, for example. Both legends, yet the former has a much simpler design).

Still, it's all a matter of opinion....we should all just try not to flame too much (no doubt no matter how much I try to be polite, sometimes I flame people)
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I've been reading through a couple threads and noticed a lot of hate for Kanto. How can you guys even think the new Gens are better than this one? No, it's not nostalgia, the new Pokemon are just horrible. They have too much detail and don't even look like Pokemon anymore. More like machines. I thought Pokemon were living creatures, animals. That's why I liked it so much, but the new ones are freakin' robots! I know, I know, HERP DERP DIGLETT HERP DERP VOLTORB, but those ones were simple. Simple designs were so much better, the new Pokemon look more like transformers than Pokemon ; eg. Rhyperior, Metagross, and the Gen 4 and 5 legendaries. Mewtwo was so awesome, it actually looked like a living creature. Wtf is a Dialga? Come on. Kanto and Johto ftw.

/rant
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I see exactly what you mean by robotic. *takes off sarcasm hat*

I couldn't care less if Pokémon are becoming 'more like machines'. It's the fact that Pokémon is evolving and changing that keeps me interested in the franchise. That may just be me speaking and I admit, since I started with Gen 4 it's my favourite, it doesn't necessarily mean I hate Kanto/Johto. As people above me have stated, some Pokémon are really great ideas, and some make you question what the designers were on when they thought of so and so.

It's not even the designs of Pokémon that makes me as an individual like Sinnoh. When did we have a snow city? Never. When did we have a evil team worth stopping? Nowhere to be seen until Gen 3. Battle frontier? See last answer. If every generation had pokemon, ideas and concepts the same as Kanto, EVERYBODY would get bored of it at some point or another, and stop taking an interest.

Final note. Look in the last paragraph. Keyword 'individual'. Some people hate Kanto and prefer new generations, like Sinnoh and Hoenn. Some people hate Sinnoh and prefer older generations such as you've said, Kanto/Johto. Some people flat out hate every generation, and some people like them all. You can't please everybody.

*end rant, braces for flaming*
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The reason I perfer the older generations to the newer ones is simply this:
I liked the older generation because of it's style.

I don't like the new generations because they don't have the same style of gameplay, Pokemon, ect. And I can't say that the games suck because they don't.
And I can't argue against the games for progressing but I can argue against those that would say that Pokemon shouldn't have a particular style.

The one question I want some one to answer is, what makes Pokemon different from other games of it's kind?
Is it the particular type of gameplay, the artistic style, the story, or just the goal overall?
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My reason for dislikeling SOME and by some a mean a good some of them is because they are over designed. thats the key diffrence early pokemon where more realistic and simple but now all the pokemon have metal spikes sticking out of weird angles or like 8 eyes oe just unneeded things like sea shells and crap. look at pikachu simple, adorable and is now the franchise mascot next to the pokeball. It's not nostalgia goggles its realistic examinations that give me my feelings of disgust for some of these new "pokemon"

Not to say there is no good ones because there are lots of them, there is just alot of really dumb, digimon looking ones too. arceus looks like a bloody digimon.
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Drifbloom: A BALLOON. WTF.
Again. You criticise a pokemon design for being simple. Despite the fact that you praise the first gen pokemons for the same reason. Why is that? I'm really starting to think that you're just another guy blinded by nostalgia. In Kanto we had pokemons based on magnets and bombs. Why is balloons such a big deal?

Tangrowth: Seriously? It's a big Tangela.
I don't know what to say about you. Do you know how much you have contradicted yourself by now? Tangrowth is a SIMPLE evolution design. Right now you are bashing gen 4 pokemons for the same reason you are praising gen 1 pokemons.

And I don't know wtf that thing under Tangrowth is, but it looks like a Togetic on crystal meth.
It's name is Froslass.

Froslass is one of those pokemon designs that needs a little bit of research for understanding it's origin. It's one of those more complex designs, but what's so bad about that? I think some of the satisfaction from some of the more complex pokemon designs is to figure out their origin. Froslass is based on the Yuki-onna, a japanese legend about a spirit of a woman who perished in the snow. When you look at the information and then looks at Froslass design aswell as the typing (Ice/Ghost) it makes perfect sense. I think it's a great design, and it's by no means bad just because it's more complicated.

Actually, what makes a pokemon design better just because it's more simple? Does the pokemons origin need to be recognizable the first time you see it?

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The only thing I have against the new generations are the sheer number of pokemon being introduced, when is enough enough?

We are already well over 450 and that number is going to keep rising until 80% of the pokemon becomes forgotten.
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The only thing I have against the new generations are the sheer number of pokemon being introduced, when is enough enough?

We are already well over 450 and that number is going to keep rising until 80% of the pokemon becomes forgotten.
I definitely agree. There are only so many names you can remember >_<

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I love Kanto partly because of nostalgia, but from all regions there are gems of pokemon in there, so all the regions have their ups and downs.

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I don't really like Subsuck's way of thinking either (just judging the designs), I wasn't trying to defend him (I think he can do it better himself) and I'm sorry if I made it seem that way.
Now, the reason why i mostly was talking about the designs was because the OPs post game me the impression that it was what this thread was about. Nearly all the critisiscm he gave the later gen pokemons are all on how they look. I just wanted to point out that i don't think that they are bad at all and that his way of thinking is easily contradicting.

Trust me, i never fully judge a pokemon just because of their design. I also like to see what stats, abilities and moves they have aswell. I praised Tangrowth earlier for having a simple design but i also like him because of his great stats and powerfull moves he can learn, like Power Whip for example.

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I think its about time people stop trying to bash GENs 3 and 4 for the sake of it.

if you like GENs 1 and 2 then good for you, but dont complain if you dont have anything to complain about.

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I could accept them being gods once in a time, but the 3rd gen and the 4th gen introduced too many legendaries, both alone and combined. When I see that there are too many then I don't see them as a special "breed" and can't understand how all of these gods can interact with each other. Maybe that's no matter to bring up in a Pokémon discussion, but I still feel that having too many legendaries makes them washed out and that makes it harder for me to think of them as the equivalents of gods in the Pokémon World.

According to Bulbapedia:

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Not all are really "gods" per se but are supposed to be powerful. And that's why it's weird for me to think of them having these godlike powers.
I definately agree that not all of them are gods, and I also agree that the sheer number of them can get quite annoying. But I also like to challenge myself with coming up with my own ideas of the creation of the pokemon world and legendaries just for the fun of it, and usually I can make some sense with it and fit in some decent interactions. Having so many legendary pokemon kind of reminds me of the Greek or Roman gods and other mythological people and creatures; there were a lot of them too and they varied in power. I guess it's those reasons that allow me to accept the legendaries.
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Look this is what i think the major problem is, the majority of the younger generation/fans of the new generations just assume that people criticize the new Pokemon because of nostalgia.

For example "I think its about time people stop trying to bash GENs 3 and 4 for the sake of it."

People are not bashing Gen 3/4 just for the sake of it, some people do give valid reasons but people tend to shrug it off sand say "lol nostalgia googles" which just adds more fuel to the flame.

Every single Pokemon has its flaws, however it is mostly opinion, you can't force your opinion onto other people and you can't attack people for giving an opinion, I hate the majority of of Gen IV and Gen III, however there are also about 70 Gen I pokemon I hate, its all opinion.
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I definately agree that not all of them are gods, and I also agree that the sheer number of them can get quite annoying. But I also like to challenge myself with coming up with my own ideas of the creation of the pokemon world and legendaries just for the fun of it, and usually I can make some sense with it and fit in some decent interactions. Having so many legendary pokemon kind of reminds me of the Greek or Roman gods and other mythological people and creatures; there were a lot of them too and they varied in power. I guess it's those reasons that allow me to accept the legendaries.
Personally, I like coming up with origin stories for all Pokemon, not just ledgies.
I view all Pokemon as mythical creatures (and even as Greek gods mostly though because in Greek mythology they tend to have more gods then creatures). I just view the ledgies as just more powerful creatures or gods.
It's kind of the reason I don't like the new ledgies. Not because of how many ledgies there are but because they absorb all of the attention. They take away all the attention away from other Pokemon. Hoenn didn't do this too much but with Sinnoh you have legendary Pokemon mentioned almost everywhere. Why are normal Pokemon seldom talked about or seldom have locations where they are most noted for being at or influencing?
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Hmmm...I'm pretty sure I'll be conveying the same message with this. I'm 16 years old. My first official game was Silver even though I've played Red and Blue. I loved it! My second game was Yellow. Even though it was a downgrade, I liked the fact that you get all of the starters and Pikachu follows you. Next I got Ruby, I enjoyed that you were more involved in the story with the antagonists. Nowadays, I hate playing the game because of the Pokemon themselves. Most of the designs started bugging me and the experience is just weird...I gave to my 18 year old friend and before he got his fifth badge he had a lv. 50-60 Kadabra. After some time, was Diamond and Platinum. I found the story the best, not realistic-wise, but it was engaging. Some Pokemon took some time to get used to but I found this Gen to be my favorite, story and design wise. The Pokemon were the strongest of them all, obviously.
Now when I got LG, I loved it because it felt fresh and I just enjoyed the nostalgia. Playing it nowadays feels weird because it felt too simple. I didn't find many of the Pokemon exciting and they were boring, IN MY OPINION. I found the story "lacking" but that's just me. Same with HGSS, even though that IS my favorite game and I LOVE Kanto. It's the content of the game that I base my opinions on.
For the Gen1 lovers, I think it is nostalgia...but one thing I can't wrap my head around is how you can generalize an era of Pokmeon as horribly designed...but that's just me -__-
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When people attack Kanto, it's not the first Generation of Pokémon they're attacking, it's the fact that the regions layout itself is considered incredibly bland compared to other generations. (Not by myself, of course!)

Also, nobody bashes Johto, as a large portion of the fan-base considers it the best region and generation in Pokémon.

You can't really say that R/S/E version is "new" anymore, but many people, whether Oldschool fan or relative Newcomer, seem to bash Hoenn more then any other region due to the large amount of water routes/low Pokémon diversity.

Sinnoh is fair game, similar to Kanto, and it is neither overly favored like Johto or loathed like Hoenn, though the Pokémon introduced in its Generation are often criticized.

Regarding the Metagross comparison...





I always though Magneton looked more robotic then Metagross.
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I consider myself a true pokemon fan since I have been into pokemon since day 1. I will continue to be with pokemon untill the very end. Also, the 4th generation is and always be my favorite. I have gotten sick and tired of Kanto and Johto. Iwould take the pokemon of time, space, antimatter, and creation, over the puny legends of kanto and johto any day.