What's with all the hate for Kanto? Page 3

Started by SandslashFTW September 9th, 2010 8:06 PM
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I haven't really heard too much hate for Kanto, though I do agree that the 1st Generation is better. I liked the 2nd Generation too and I liked some of the 4th (the ones with the more simple designs, although after seeing Empoleon use Drill Peck in the Anime I started to like it haha). Didn't care that much for the 3rd and from what I've seen, I don't care much for the 5th either. Some of the designs just too complicated for Pokemon.
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I dont get why people rip on any of the regions or pokemon, isnt the concept of the whole series ever changing and evolving? i guess people want there simple 2bit sprites, but think about how they might look nowadays if rby first came out now, with this technology, i bet they would be very detailed
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I've been reading through a couple threads and noticed a lot of hate for Kanto. How can you guys even think the new Gens are better than this one? No, it's not nostalgia, the new Pokemon are just horrible. They have too much detail and don't even look like Pokemon anymore. More like machines. I thought Pokemon were living creatures, animals. That's why I liked it so much, but the new ones are freakin' robots! I know, I know, HERP DERP DIGLETT HERP DERP VOLTORB, but those ones were simple. Simple designs were so much better, the new Pokemon look more like transformers than Pokemon ; eg. Rhyperior, Metagross, and the Gen 4 and 5 legendaries. Mewtwo was so awesome, it actually looked like a living creature. Wtf is a Dialga? Come on. Kanto and Johto ftw.

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you've got it all wrng, no offense, but people don't hate kanto cause of the pokemon or cause the region itself is old, it's just boring.
QUESTION :WHY ???
ANSWER: the freak'n region's been in all four previous gens, as in in 10 freaking game. come on. please poeple some change. i personally like the reagion itself but hate havng to go through it everytime a new game is out. i'm gratefull the two orignall games with kanto are already reamade and kanto won't be in any more games.

and for the seond point you tried to make, yes old classic pokemon are awesome, especially 2 and 3 gen pokemon, but gen 4 and 5 are exciting and what's robotic about metagross and rhyperior, their bodies are made of natural materials, steal and rock, they look awesome, so do most of gen 4 and maybe all of the gen 5 pokemon released do far.
and don't offend gen 4. i think they where the best pokemon games ever and my three favorite signiture pokemon are magmortar and dialga and palkia. still kidding. HAHA
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you've got it all wrng, no offense, but people don't hate kanto cause of the pokemon or cause the region itself is old, it's just boring.
QUESTION :WHY ???
ANSWER: the freak'n region's been in all four previous gens, as in in 10 freaking game. come on. please poeple some change. i personally like the reagion itself but hate havng to go through it everytime a new game is out. i'm gratefull the two orignall games with kanto are already reamade and kanto won't be in any more games.
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I love the region, but it's just become too repetitive and playing through it on almost every game I buy is just ridiculous and I restarted my Soul Silver the first time before I even took on Kanto.
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What people don't realize is that people have subjective tastes. Gasp! I know! Isn't it shocking? But believe it or not, it's true.

Some people like simple, animal-like designs. Some people like complex, exotic designs. Some people like something completely different in a Pokémon design. Some people don't even care about the design and think about the stats and moves instead, or even something completely different. And depending on these tastes, people have varying preferences about the individual generations of Pokémon, because each one experiments with different styles and has a different proportion of organic to exotic designs. This is perfectly fine.

However, people somehow seem not to realize that this is perfectly fine and instead attempt to desperately justify their opinion by bashing the generations they overall don't like as objectively awful in some way, like by claiming "Game Freak are running out of ideas" or "The new Pokémon look like crap" or "The new Pokémon don't look like Pokémon" or "The new Pokémon are overdesigned" or what have you.

Meanwhile, the people who do happen to like the newer generations take offense to this, and to justify their opinion, they instead lash back at Kanto. And then the Kanto purists get even more offended, and start trying to justify their opinion again by creating threads like this one.

Incidentally, I dislike most of the fourth- and fifth-generation designs. Good for me! That means I go on my merry way using the Pokémon that I do like - after all, nobody's forcing me to use any of the other ones - while being happy for people who genuinely love the other ones, without whining that Pokémon is ruined forever or that everything sucks now. Gee, that wasn't so hard.
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(Yes, I know you're a troll, but I'm still responding anyways)
You do realize your argument is instantly invalid because you like "Giratina" right? Do you realize you automatically fail, right?

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DEAL WITH IT
Oh darn, and here I thought it was a pokemon if it was a non-human organism that you could find in a pokemon game.

So what exactly makes a pokemon?

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I don't like Magneton. I don't think anybody does. All people do is bash on him. But Metagross on the other hand, how many fanboys does that dumbass hunk of metal have? They're both horribly designed Pokemon, Magneton is just about the only Kanto Pokemon I seriously dislike (I don't see why Dodrio and Dugtrio get so much hate, look pretty awesome), yet Magneton gets ripped on and Metagross gets love cause of 3rd and 4th gen *****s. Grinds mah gears.
Oh I don't know, it might because Metagross is a beast in competitive play while Magneton was doomed to UU until it got an evolution (which I'm pretty sure you hate anyways, so whatever. >_>)

My advice is to chill. the freak. out. No need to go off telling us we're not pokemon fans because you perceive the newer pokemon to be unoriginal. Believe it or not, there are people in the world with a different opinion than yours and its fully possible to like GenIII-GenV pokemon for any variety of reasons, including design and stats.

I'll give you a moment to let that sink in.

...

Now stop trying to impress your opinions on us because you'll just keep getting confronted like you have in this thread.
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(Yes, I know you're a troll, but I'm still responding anyways)

Oh darn, and here I thought it was a pokemon if it was a non-human organism that you could find in a pokemon game.

So what exactly makes a pokemon?
It's a Pokemon if it's not Giratina. Giratina is a transformer, not a Pokemon. And no, I'm not trolling because I'm standing up for Kanto.

Oh I don't know, it might because Metagross is a beast in competitive play while Magneton was doomed to UU until it got an evolution (which I'm pretty sure you hate anyways, so whatever. >_>)

My advice is to chill. the freak. out. No need to go off telling us we're not pokemon fans because you perceive the newer pokemon to be unoriginal. Believe it or not, there are people in the world with a different opinion than yours and its fully possible to like GenIII-GenV pokemon for any variety of reasons, including design and stats.

I'll give you a moment to let that sink in.

...

Now stop trying to impress your opinions on us because you'll just keep getting confronted like you have in this thread.
Exactly, it's impossible to use Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon when you're fighting Gen 3 and 4 Pokemon. The only way to really play the game now is to capture mecha-centipedes that can deploy nukes and dragon gods that can rip the fabric of time. Woo hoo, Pokemon!

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Exactly, it's impossible to use Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon when you're fighting Gen 3 and 4 Pokemon. The only way to really play the game now is to capture mecha-centipedes that can deploy nukes and dragon gods that can rip the fabric of time. Woo hoo, Pokemon!
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I count 21 GenI-II to 27 GenIII-IV...26-22 if you count GenIV evolved forms as "spiritual successors" to their NFE counterparts. Not as imbalanced as you make it seem. >_>
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I count 21 GenI-II to 27 GenIII-IV...26-22 if you count GenIV evolved forms as "spiritual successors" to their NFE counterparts. Not as imbalanced as you make it seem. >_>
20 : 28, actually. And very imbalanced, seeing as half of them are legendaries, and I wasn't only talking about competitive battling.
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Oh I don't know, it might because Metagross is a beast in competitive play while Magneton was doomed to UU until it got an evolution (which I'm pretty sure you hate anyways, so whatever. >_>)

My advice is to chill. the freak. out. No need to go off telling us we're not pokemon fans because you perceive the newer pokemon to be unoriginal. Believe it or not, there are people in the world with a different opinion than yours and its fully possible to like GenIII-GenV pokemon for any variety of reasons, including design and stats.

I'll give you a moment to let that sink in.

...

Now stop trying to impress your opinions on us because you'll just keep getting confronted like you have in this thread.
There are some problems I have with your post. If it's okay with you, I'm going to post my problems with it.

Firstly, we are not talking about stats, we are talking about design. Yes, we could be talking about Pokemon in terms of stats but then as Timbjerr said there isn't much of a difference between the old Pokemon and the new Pokemon when it comes to stats.

Secondly, I don't think any body's really here to change any one's opinion (because we all know that nobody will ever admit it if some body changed their opinion) we're just here to state our stance.
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Comparing Metagross to Magneton was folly to begin with. Metagross was designed to be a pseudolegendary pokemon with insane stats while Magneton was designed to be a crutch electric-type available mid-game.

It'd be like turning the tables and comparing Dragonite to Altaria. I know you'll agree that the more popular one has a better design and is more used in competitive battling. :P
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Now I'm confused.
Are you saying a Pokemon is well designed (by that as the concept is good) when it's stats are good or what?
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Now I'm confused.
Are you saying a Pokemon is well designed (by that as the concept is good) when it's stats are good or what?
ssftw brought up that newer-generation pokemon totally overshadow older-generation ones in competitive play by using the fallacious Metagross-Magneton comparison, so I just decided to turn the table around and compare the pseudolegendary from GenI with a mediocre pokemon from GenIII with a similar typing. My wording o fit all was off because I typed it all last night while I was all tired and scatter-brained. XD

Personally, I mainly judge pokemon by their design. If they're based on and interesting concept and a lot of creativity goes into it to separate it from its real-world counterpart, then I like it. I'll have to admit though that once I get into building competitive-build teams for any given generation, their stats and movepool become of more importance and I get to making teams built of pokemon that I like from both criteria.

Let's look at Bronzong, a pokemon that OP said earlier was uncreative and lol-worthy. Do a little research and you'll find it's based on a Japanese folk tale about a haunted bell that terrorized the monks of a religious temple. Kinda cool...kinda creepy...I like it. I just so happens to also be an excellent mixed tank for competitive battling, so I tend to use them a lot. :D

Infernape in particular gets hate for being unoriginal and is accused of being a Blaziken clone. I have to disagree. The Chinese mythological figure Sun Wu Kong that Infernape is based on is a very interesting figure...almost akin to an ancient Chinese Chuck Norris...much more interesting than the Horus of Egyptian mythology that Blaziken is based on. On top of that, he's built like the ultimate glass cannon and makes for a great sweeper or revenge killer on any team. :D

My overall point is that dismissing a pokemon just because it doesn't appeal to you instantly is just plain silly. Look up what they're based on because most of the pokemon based on mythological figures have really interesting histories. XD

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Let's look at Bronzong, a pokemon that OP said earlier was uncreative and lol-worthy. Do a little research and you'll find it's based on a Japanese folk tale about a haunted bell that terrorized the monks of a religious temple. Kinda cool...kinda creepy...I like it. I just so happens to also be an excellent mixed tank for competitive battling, so I tend to use them a lot. :D

Infernape in particular gets hate for being unoriginal and is accused of being a Blaziken clone. I have to disagree. The Chinese mythological figure Sun Wu Kong that Infernape is based on is a very interesting figure...almost akin to an ancient Chinese Chuck Norris...much more interesting than the Horus of Egyptian mythology that Blaziken is based on. On top of that, he's built like the ultimate glass cannon and makes for a great sweeper or revenge killer on any team. :D

My overall point is that dismissing a pokemon just because it doesn't appeal to you instantly is just plain silly. Look up what they're based on because most of the pokemon based on mythological figures have really interesting histories. XD
Okay, so what your saying is, that if a Pokemon is based on a myth that makes it orginal.
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My opinion on Kanto is that it's one of my favorite regions just because it's the original and it's where I started out, so I have very fond memories of it that can't be matched anywhere else in the Pokeworld. Other people may disagree with that previous statement for their own reasons and I respect that. As for why people hate any region, it's because opinion can be extremely subjective on virtually anything imaginable.

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I don't believe I forgot to do this. Anyway, until some people chill out and realise that this is a Pokémon forum and not a battlefield (and to lessen the infractions and warnings I'll have to give out), I'm going to close this thread.
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