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Old January 25th, 2011 (7:41 AM).
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To awnser the topic well Ulgamoth and Genesect are the only bug pokemon that i know that can learn fly but since its ought to learn fly i would say Flygon it even has Fly in its name!
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Old January 25th, 2011 (9:34 AM).
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^^Of course! DUH ;)
New topic for all of you:
Which Bug Pokemon ought to learn HM Fly in your opinion?
>Implying I didn't make that topic some time ago

Most Bugs just don't seem strong enough to carry a human... But all those stage 1 birds don't either.

Shinysweetie, Flygon can learn Fly, actually. He's just not a Bug.
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Old January 25th, 2011 (10:23 AM).
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Well, you'd have to watch out using Vibrava, because he's a Dragon type too...
I know. if it wasn't for Kyogre and many revives i would have lost that match XD

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But of course flygon beats them all.
He's not a bug :/

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Most bug type Pokemon can't learn fly because of the fact that the majority of them are pretty small. Masquerain is included there. At the same time, one cannot imagine flying on a Pidgey either. @[email protected]

Some sort of discrimination against bugs I guess. XD
i agree, the thought of a bug carrying you around is absurd XD
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What About That Pinecone?!
Discuss Pineco and Forretress, argument on what it is, why it's bug, if it should even be bug...same for forretress, what is it? why is it bug?

If that argument's not good for ya how about:

The Unbreakable Shuckles....
Argument on Shuckle....why is this a bug? what is it anyway? a worm, get argumenting.

I don't know if we've discussed these before as i missed alot due to the move to canada, and you lot had to keep yourselves amused didn't you? XD.
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Old January 25th, 2011 (12:31 PM).
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Great topic Xil.
I'll answer the first one for now.
Well really, WHAT about that pinecone? I really don't see how gamefreak came to idea to identify pinecones to bugs! The very idea is absurd!
I do like their designes, but not much bug-like there...
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Old January 25th, 2011 (12:41 PM).
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My thoughts exactly. I think pineco should have been Grass-type. And Forretress should have been just Steel. It would create less RAEG if a Steel/Bug is introduced then.
But apparently Pineco is based on a bagworm..? I don't believe it.
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Old January 25th, 2011 (12:43 PM).
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Hm, glad you like it :)
I agree with you, i've never seen them as bug, why?! is there a type of pinecone bug in real life?! even "On the origin of species" hasn't figured them out yet!
And what is Forretress anway?! talk about Pineco, but why have a pinecone evolve into....whatever that is.... hm, have we taken them off the list yet? cuz we have to!

As for Shuckle....acctually i think i will choose to hide my opinion on that for a while longer because i am curious as to your opinions. (devilsmiley)

Ninja'd...STEINO! YOU JUST RUINED MY BIG FINISH FOR THIS POST! XD
Bagworm? pfff that's a pinecone, even it's name says so....sometimes i don't understand Gamefreak's methods....
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Old January 25th, 2011 (12:44 PM).
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Well, I think Forretress is some kind of chesnut. Excuse me, a bagworm living inside a chesnut. How could I get that wrong? XD
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Old January 25th, 2011 (1:05 PM).
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Well, I think Forretress is some kind of chesnut. Excuse me, a bagworm living inside a chesnut. How could I get that wrong? XD
1. a chestnut?
2, what the hell is a bagworm anyway?!
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Old January 25th, 2011 (1:13 PM).
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I think a bagworm is some kind of parasitic insect... And according to Bulbapedia it's living inside Pineco and Forretress..? Hello Nintendo, there are eyes on the core! Which is not an insect!

But I'm pretty confident Forretress is a chestnut.


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Imagine that thing with eyes.
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Hm, but if it was meant to be a bagworm they should've made it obvious, and the chestnut with eyes....SERIOUSLY? if they wanted a bagworm they did a hell of a rubbish job! i vote pinecone and chestnut OUT!
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Old January 25th, 2011 (1:20 PM).
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I agree. Down with the proletariat!

Does the fact that I'm a co-owner mean that I can commence a voting or does that have to go through you, draggy?
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Old January 25th, 2011 (1:31 PM).
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I agree. Down with the proletariat!

Does the fact that I'm a co-owner mean that I can commence a voting or does that have to go through you, draggy?
Draggy's offline, but i wanna see the pinecone walk the plank! i think Draggy would say yes anyway, let's start!
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Old January 25th, 2011 (1:35 PM).
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I have no idea how they got a bagworm from pineco. They did how ever try bagworm againthis time they di much better.
Spoiler:

Look familiar ?
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Old January 25th, 2011 (1:41 PM).
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Burmy!

But is that one big bagworm or a lot of little ones? I can't really see...
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I believe it's one it is also the main reason I love Burmy/Mothim so much because they stayed very true to the actual species also the bagworms can change there "Cloaks" so to speak dependent on their environment
Here check this link out and tell me It doesn't make you want to catch a Burmy.
http://woodypests.cas.psu.edu/factsheets/insectfactsheets/html/bagworm.html
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Old January 25th, 2011 (11:25 PM).
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So they really do live in bags like that... Wow. That's pretty cool.
In a way, it makes sense that Pineco is supposed to be a bagworm. The pine tree is one of their hosts, and they're usually mistaken for pinecones.
But Pineco's still just a pinecone. Not a bagworm.
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Old January 25th, 2011 (11:29 PM).
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http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/204.shtml
Read the D/P/Pt & HG Pokedex entries it clarifies that Pineco use tree bark in a simular fashion as burmy. Forretress I just have no clue.

Edit also the Crystal entries helps too
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex/204.shtml
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Old January 26th, 2011 (9:04 AM).
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I have no idea how they got a bagworm from pineco. They did how ever try bagworm againthis time they di much better.
Spoiler:

Look familiar ?
So that's Burmy huh!

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I believe it's one it is also the main reason I love Burmy/Mothim so much because they stayed very true to the actual species also the bagworms can change there "Cloaks" so to speak dependent on their environment
Here check this link out and tell me It doesn't make you want to catch a Burmy.
http://woodypests.cas.psu.edu/factsheets/insectfactsheets/html/bagworm.html
I see.....

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So they really do live in bags like that... Wow. That's pretty cool.
In a way, it makes sense that Pineco is supposed to be a bagworm. The pine tree is one of their hosts, and they're usually mistaken for pinecones.
But Pineco's still just a pinecone. Not a bagworm.
Yes, it's a pinecone and that's that, it dosen't look like much of a bagworm.
same for forretress

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http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/204.shtml
Read the D/P/Pt & HG Pokedex entries it clarifies that Pineco use tree bark in a simular fashion as burmy. Forretress I just have no clue.

Edit also the Crystal entries helps too
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex/204.shtml
Yeah...that's great that you're proving all this but this isn't a disscussion about burmy, it's about the pinecone and the chestnut, pinecone to chestnut sorta makes sense, but they should NOT be bugs.
ok, the voting should comence now, master tkallab, give the word.
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No, i acctually think that a lot of people would vote them in, since they go waaay old...
I'm gonna research more about the subject, and then make a decision.
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No, i acctually think that a lot of people would vote them in, since they go waaay old...
I'm gonna research more about the subject, and then make a decision.
How does way old have anything to do with anything?! tkallab and me are already voting them out! their status as bugs have been forgotten and therefore sustained, but now! we have noticed their treachery, and now it is THEIR turn to walk the plank.
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Well, if you have an article, people can see all arguments from both sides... So I say let Draggy do his research. Want me to help you?
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I never said that he shouldn't do his research, i, for one, would love to see the other side of the argument, that's the fun in it.
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Old January 26th, 2011 (12:00 PM).
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Well, another side is that Pineco is supposedly a bagworm that disguises itself with pieces of bark to look like a pinecone. I, however, find this very unlikely, because it's impossible to make the bark stick to its body like that, especially without arms. Also, if it's true, what's Forretress supposed to be?
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Well, another side is that Pineco is supposedly a bagworm that disguises itself with pieces of bark to look like a pinecone. I, however, find this very unlikely, because it's impossible to make the bark stick to its body like that, especially without arms. Also, if it's true, what's Forretress supposed to be?
Yes, it's gonna be hard for Draggy to find something to counter this....
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Old January 26th, 2011 (12:30 PM).
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No one needs to counter anything. We just need arguments for both sides. Counterarguments come later.
 

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