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Started by poopnoodle September 25th, 2010 5:50 PM
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That may be true, but Autism and ADD are extremely over-diagnosed.
But I already said that they probably are in my first post. What I was pointing out was that they do actually exist -- the person I was replying to said they don't, which is a misinformed observation -- they both do exist.
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Just be happy that it isn't as over diagnosed as it was in the 90's... EVERY Kid in my school was on some sort of medication for ADD, or was told they have autism.

The only thing was, you could tell who did and didn't actually have it... There IS a difference, you just have to look harder.
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Just be happy that it isn't as over diagnosed as it was in the 90's... EVERY Kid in my school was on some sort of medication for ADD, or was told they have autism.

The only thing was, you could tell who did and didn't actually have it... There IS a difference, you just have to look harder.
And you can bet the shrinks and drug makers made a killing off of it too, until people wisened up. ;)

It seems that since the 90's, any difference is a disease to be cured. ;P

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Just be happy that it isn't as over diagnosed as it was in the 90's... EVERY Kid in my school was on some sort of medication for ADD, or was told they have autism.

The only thing was, you could tell who did and didn't actually have it... There IS a difference, you just have to look harder.
Oh God that's true. :/ Everybody had ADD in the 90's it seems. And yeah, the differences are there, and it doesn't always take a physicians eye to discern it. My mother is a Special needs teacher, specializing in Autism and its related disorders. All she has to do is look at the kid and she can tell.

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Exactly, The spectrum encompasses many autistic-related disorders, But for some reason they all get dubbed as Autistic if they fall under it. :/ Doesnt make much sense to me.
One of my friends is "autistic" and this irks me. Someone who is socially awkward and eccentric but intelligent doesn't need to be "treated" the same as someone who struggles to do even basic things.

I visited his (high) school once which specialized in working with kids who have autism or mental/behavioral disorders, and it was a little sad what kind of people were all umbrella'd together. One of their courses was a basic cooking class emphasizing not to touch hot things and how to use a microwave. They decided this all was similarly appropriate for someone capable of leading a normal but reclusive life, and someone who actually struggled with said class.

I think it's not only over-exaggerated, but the over-exaggeration and lack of fine distinctions can further stunt people who are simply sort of awkward or strange. Most kids with mild autism would, in my opinion, get by fine with nothing more than a little one-on-one for their problem areas. These schools, among other things, are probably making it worse.
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One of my friends is "autistic" and this irks me. Someone who is socially awkward and eccentric but intelligent doesn't need to be "treated" the same as someone who struggles to do even basic things.

I visited his (high) school once which specialized in working with kids who have autism or mental/behavioral disorders, and it was a little sad what kind of people were all umbrella'd together. One of their courses was a basic cooking class emphasizing not to touch hot things and how to use a microwave. They decided this all was similarly appropriate for someone capable of leading a normal but reclusive life, and someone who actually struggled with said class.

I think it's not only over-exaggerated, but the over-exaggeration and lack of fine distinctions can further stunt people who are simply sort of awkward or strange. Most kids with mild autism would, in my opinion, get by fine with nothing more than a little one-on-one for their problem areas. These schools, among other things, are probably making it worse.
Definitely. People that emphasize a child's differences rather than what they have in common with 'normal' people is making the problem much worse than it should be.
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One of my friends is "autistic" and this irks me. Someone who is socially awkward and eccentric but intelligent doesn't need to be "treated" the same as someone who struggles to do even basic things.

I visited his (high) school once which specialized in working with kids who have autism or mental/behavioral disorders, and it was a little sad what kind of people were all umbrella'd together. One of their courses was a basic cooking class emphasizing not to touch hot things and how to use a microwave. They decided this all was similarly appropriate for someone capable of leading a normal but reclusive life, and someone who actually struggled with said class.

I think it's not only over-exaggerated, but the over-exaggeration and lack of fine distinctions can further stunt people who are simply sort of awkward or strange. Most kids with mild autism would, in my opinion, get by fine with nothing more than a little one-on-one for their problem areas. These schools, among other things, are probably making it worse.
Oh I agree- I see that all the time as my Mom is a teacher. The real problem is the state law and the system that determines what lands you in the special needs/Inclusion classrooms. My Mom has told of many a time where she made it very clear to upper faculty that several of her students were not even Autistic, some just had behavior issues, and some were even mentally ill, and being in a special needs class did nothing for them. But the system actually prevents many of them from getting to where they need to go.

And doctors diagnosing it left and right certainly doesn't help. :/

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Oh I agree- I see that all the time as my Mom is a teacher. The real problem is the state law and the system that determines what lands you in the special needs/Inclusion classrooms. My Mom has told of many a time where she made it very clear to upper faculty that several of her students were not even Autistic, some just had behavior issues, and some were even mentally ill, and being in a special needs class did nothing for them. But the system actually prevents many of them from getting to where they need to go.

And doctors diagnosing it left and right certainly doesn't help. :/
Considering that the person you're quoting lives in my state, the handling probably varies from school district to school district and possibly even case manager to case manager, since I was considered "autistic" (high-functioning autism, I was told) and didn't have to be sent away to such intellectually degrading classes. Though, at my district, those life skill classes were reserved for those who clearly needed them, and most had already been taught how either at a lower level of schooling or by their parents anyways, since personal responsibility is a cultural thing in this area. Through persistent verbal protesting on my part, I largely minimized the effect that my case manager had on the classes I took, since I largely wanted to blend in and keep that as a minor part of my high school life.
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Considering that the person you're quoting lives in my state, the handling probably varies from school district to school district and possibly even case manager to case manager, since I was considered "autistic" (high-functioning autism, I was told) and didn't have to be sent away to such intellectually degrading classes. Though, at my district, those life skill classes were reserved for those who clearly needed them, and most had already been taught how either at a lower level of schooling or by their parents anyways, since personal responsibility is a cultural thing in this area. Through persistent verbal protesting on my part, I largely minimized the effect that my case manager had on the classes I took, since I largely wanted to blend in and keep that as a minor part of my high school life.
Thats true, Ohio's school systems, by and large aren't too great. :/ But that's still a state education mandate here at least, which means the scenario I described isn't unique. Regrettably.

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The definition of what people consider symptoms of autism have broadened, or it could be from an environmental cause. I'm pretty sure diagnosis, like everyone else said, has been false too.
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What exactly are the symptoms of autism? Or, what are the symptoms that class someone under that spectrum?
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Autism I think is a form of evolution in humans, not every evolution has good effects some have odd effects or make them look odd to others.
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What exactly are the symptoms of autism? Or, what are the symptoms that class someone under that spectrum?
That's why the diagnoses are so hard to make. It can vary from individual to individual.

Courtesy Autism.about.org-

Language-related symptoms.
  • Delayed or unusual speech patterns (many autistic children, for example, memorize video scripts and repeat them word for word with the precise intonation as the TV characters)
  • High pitched or flat intonation
  • Lack of slang or "kidspeak"
  • Difficulty understanding tone of voice and body language as a way of expressing sarcasm, humor, irony, etc.
  • Lack of eye contact
  • Inability to take another's perspective (to imagine oneself in someone else's shoes)
A majority of autistic people are either hyper or hypo sensitive to light, sound, crowds and other external stimulation. Some have both hyper and hypo sensitivities. This often results in autistic people covering their ears, avoiding or reacting negatively to brightly lit areas, or -- on the other hand -- crashing hard into sofas and craving strong bear hugs. While it's unusual to find an autistic person who is obviously physically disabled as a result of the disorder, most autistic people do have some level of fine and gross motor difficulty. This often manifests itself in poor handwriting, difficulty with athletic coordination, etc. As a result, when autistic people get involved with sports, it's usually in individual, endurance sports such as running and swimming.

Personality Differences

While autistic people do differ from one another radically, it is fairly typical for people on the spectrum to:
  • Engage in repetitive behaviors and ritualized activities, ranging from lining up items to following a rigid routine,
  • Have one or a few passionate interests,
  • Have difficulty in making and keeping multiple friends,
  • Prefer activities that require relatively little verbal interaction.
It also seems to be the case -- for as-yet-undetermined reasons -- that certain interests are of particular interest to many people on the autism spectrum. For example, an enormous number of young children with ASD's are fascinated by trains (and the Thomas the Tank Engine toy), while a great many older children and adults on the spectrum are interested in computers, science, technology, and animals.
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That's why the diagnoses are so hard to make. It can vary from individual to individual.

Courtesy Autism.about.org-

Language-related symptoms.
  • Delayed or unusual speech patterns (many autistic children, for example, memorize video scripts and repeat them word for word with the precise intonation as the TV characters)
  • High pitched or flat intonation
  • Lack of slang or "kidspeak"
  • Difficulty understanding tone of voice and body language as a way of expressing sarcasm, humor, irony, etc.
  • Lack of eye contact
  • Inability to take another's perspective (to imagine oneself in someone else's shoes)
A majority of autistic people are either hyper or hypo sensitive to light, sound, crowds and other external stimulation. Some have both hyper and hypo sensitivities. This often results in autistic people covering their ears, avoiding or reacting negatively to brightly lit areas, or -- on the other hand -- crashing hard into sofas and craving strong bear hugs. While it's unusual to find an autistic person who is obviously physically disabled as a result of the disorder, most autistic people do have some level of fine and gross motor difficulty. This often manifests itself in poor handwriting, difficulty with athletic coordination, etc. As a result, when autistic people get involved with sports, it's usually in individual, endurance sports such as running and swimming.

Personality Differences

While autistic people do differ from one another radically, it is fairly typical for people on the spectrum to:
  • Engage in repetitive behaviors and ritualized activities, ranging from lining up items to following a rigid routine,
  • Have one or a few passionate interests,
  • Have difficulty in making and keeping multiple friends,
  • Prefer activities that require relatively little verbal interaction.
It also seems to be the case -- for as-yet-undetermined reasons -- that certain interests are of particular interest to many people on the autism spectrum. For example, an enormous number of young children with ASD's are fascinated by trains (and the Thomas the Tank Engine toy), while a great many older children and adults on the spectrum are interested in computers, science, technology, and animals.
In a way I fall under some of these, I wonder if I might be low level autistic...but then again I do have ADD...
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That's why the diagnoses are so hard to make. It can vary from individual to individual.

Courtesy Autism.about.org-

Language-related symptoms.
  • Delayed or unusual speech patterns (many autistic children, for example, memorize video scripts and repeat them word for word with the precise intonation as the TV characters)
  • High pitched or flat intonation
  • Lack of slang or "kidspeak"
  • Difficulty understanding tone of voice and body language as a way of expressing sarcasm, humor, irony, etc.
  • Lack of eye contact
  • Inability to take another's perspective (to imagine oneself in someone else's shoes)
A majority of autistic people are either hyper or hypo sensitive to light, sound, crowds and other external stimulation. Some have both hyper and hypo sensitivities. This often results in autistic people covering their ears, avoiding or reacting negatively to brightly lit areas, or -- on the other hand -- crashing hard into sofas and craving strong bear hugs. While it's unusual to find an autistic person who is obviously physically disabled as a result of the disorder, most autistic people do have some level of fine and gross motor difficulty. This often manifests itself in poor handwriting, difficulty with athletic coordination, etc. As a result, when autistic people get involved with sports, it's usually in individual, endurance sports such as running and swimming.

Personality Differences

While autistic people do differ from one another radically, it is fairly typical for people on the spectrum to:
  • Engage in repetitive behaviors and ritualized activities, ranging from lining up items to following a rigid routine,
  • Have one or a few passionate interests,
  • Have difficulty in making and keeping multiple friends,
  • Prefer activities that require relatively little verbal interaction.
It also seems to be the case -- for as-yet-undetermined reasons -- that certain interests are of particular interest to many people on the autism spectrum. For example, an enormous number of young children with ASD's are fascinated by trains (and the Thomas the Tank Engine toy), while a great many older children and adults on the spectrum are interested in computers, science, technology, and animals.
comparing these symptoms to some of the traits of the autistic children i work with, i remembered one of the autistic boys in my group has a conspicuous lazy eye and i wonder if it has any relation to his autism...>o>

so i looked up some physical symptoms:
  1. Abnormal Walking Behavior: An autistic child may may walk only on her toes, or more slowly and with short steps. She also may bump into objects because she does not have appropriate awareness of her environment.
  2. Hypersensitivity: Many autistic children are hypersensitive to sensory stimulation, and may become very upset when touched, or when encountering bright lights or loud sounds.
  3. Repetitive Behavior: Another physical symptom of autism is repetitive behavior such as rocking, hand flapping or twirling. The child may rhythmically bang his head or grind his teeth.
  4. Chronic Gastrointestinal Ailments: According to the Autism Research Institute (ARI), many autistic children have chronic diarrhea, constipation, gastritis or colitis. The organization says evidence indicates many autistic children have lactose or gluten allergies or sensitivities, which may be causing the gastrointestinal problems.
  5. Low Sulfate Levels: GI endoscopy results in autistic children with gastrointestinal problems show that over 90 percent have very low sulfate levels, according to the ARI, which can cause significant problems in natural detoxification processes.
  6. Co-Existing Disorders: The National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) finds that autistic children have a higher risk for co-existing disorders such as tuberous sclerosis and Tourette syndrome. Additionally, up to 30 percent of autistic children develop epilepsy.

courtesy of ehow
i didn't find anything that mentioned the lazy eye, but my findings did answer some other distinguishing mannerisms i've been curious about, most notably the information about different walking manners. i work with an autistic boy and autistic girl that have always walked on their toes.

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ignorant rubbish..
Actually.... it could theoretically be stopped if it were simply a genetic issue, although it would entail using horrible, horrible Eugenics policies.

But we aren't totally sure if It is only based on genes, or if environmental features play a part as well.

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The only thing that needs to be said is this:

Minecraft.
Honestly, what will Minecraft do with fixing something like this? It's like you're telling people that if you have something about yourself then you have to play Minecraft for example. It really is generalization and discrimination towards people who have Autism.

My views in Autism Spectrum Disorder is simply that the person is just a little slow when it comes to learning and the social environment.

Coming from someone that actually has this disorder, I can say that I am a bit slow when it comes to being social. I do sometimes say awkward things around people when I don't mean to. I was a little slow when it came to learning at the speed of everyone else, needing a Speech Pathologist when I was young.

But it can also affect your learning and social skills in a positive manner. I was always shooting ahead of everyone in class and was being able to study at a higher level than everyone else.

tl;dr Autism can affect people in many different ways, positive and negative. I personally like to see Autism as somewhat of a blessing in disguise.

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Honestly, what will Minecraft do with fixing something like this? It's like you're telling people that if you have something about yourself then you have to play Minecraft for example. It really is generalization and discrimination towards people who have Autism.
It is pretty autism, dude.

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Honestly, what will Minecraft do with fixing something like this? It's like you're telling people that if you have something about yourself then you have to play Minecraft for example. It really is generalization and discrimination towards people who have Autism.

My views in Autism Spectrum Disorder is simply that the person is just a little slow when it comes to learning and the social environment.

Coming from someone that actually has this disorder, I can say that I am a bit slow when it comes to being social. I do sometimes say awkward things around people when I don't mean to. I was a little slow when it came to learning at the speed of everyone else, needing a Speech Pathologist when I was young.

But it can also affect your learning and social skills in a positive manner. I was always shooting ahead of everyone in class and was being able to study at a higher level than everyone else.

tl;dr Autism can affect people in many different ways, positive and negative. I personally like to see Autism as somewhat of a blessing in disguise.
I can attest to all of that. My cousin is on the spectrum, so his social skills are a little lacking, but the kid has every scientific name of almost every animal memorized and can rattle them off at will. I talk about a blue whale, and he'll correct me with Balaenoptera musculus. He's a walking Zoologist.
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i heard before the autism rate was a lot lower, when you think about 1/100 thats like "DAMN" so you have a 1% chance for an autistic child. Autism doesnt mean that the person is 'dumb', it is that they have trouble with social interaction, my highschool has a freshman autistic kid taking Geometry, a class for average juniors

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i heard before the autism rate was a lot lower, when you think about 1/100 thats like "DAMN" so you have a 1% chance for an autistic child. Autism doesnt mean that the person is 'dumb', it is that they have trouble with social interaction, my highschool has a freshman autistic kid taking Geometry, a class for average juniors
Some of the smartest people in history are thought to of had autism.
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Some of the smartest people in history are thought to of had autism.
There is evidence to support that Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, Leonardo Da Vinci, etc, all had some sort of Autism spectrum disorder. Worked out for them.

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There is evidence to support that Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, Leonardo Da Vinci, etc, all had some sort of Autism spectrum disorder. Worked out for them.
*COUGH* I've got an IQ of 152, I believe some cases of autism may actually help boost the gain of knowledge. I never focused on social interaction, and more on my studies... when I wasn't exploding from sort of hyperactive burst of energy...
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*COUGH* I've got an IQ of 152, I believe some cases of autism may actually help boost the gain of knowledge. I never focused on social interaction, and more on my studies... when I wasn't exploding from sort of hyperactive burst of energy...
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