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Started by digi-kun October 2nd, 2010 10:42 AM
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No. No. I was just saying that this:

I doubt I'd watch that show even if it did have appealing art. The extended battles, the constant yelling, definitely n ot my cup of tea (as most shonen shows aren't my cup of tea).

I'd like to add that there are several of the moe shows that I love the art but I haven't watched because the storyline or plot hasn't impressed me.
Kind of contradicts this:

And graphics play a partial role in whether I'll pick a particular game. Or a particular car, for that matter. As I mentioned, it's the total package I look for... appealing art, interesting storyline, good characterization, decent voice acting, BG music that fits the show... if a show is lacking too much in any of these categories, I simply won't be able to enjoy it as much.
I'm just saying, what LeSabre said in this quote basically says; if a show has FABULOUS ART, SUPER-SPECIAL AWESOME VAs, an okayish story, passable characters AND A GEOURGEOUS OST, than LeSabre would be able to enjoy. She's putting minimalistic bonuses on the same level of the basic structures of telling a story. If I were to tell you people what I loved about, say, Eyeshield 21, art would be on that list, but pretty far down. I'd mention the wonderful characters, the dramatic, tense story, the awesome games, how said games never drag, have I mentioned Hiruma yet? Then, maybe after a few more points, then I would say 'And it looks really, really nice.' Once I'm done all the basic story stuff.

When you're watching fiction, the thing that must come first-and-foremost is the story being told. Yes, it's being told through images, so art has some semblance of meaning, but it shouldn't be an important point as to what the story is telling. Yes, I absolutely adore, say, Takeshi Obata's art, but I'm not going to watch Bakuman because it's his pretty pictures, I'm going to watch it because I know it's going to be awesome sauce. Obata's art is nothing more than a bonus.

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I'm getting the feeling that you're saying the shoujo genre can't have good stories or characters...

The argument was that if anything is lacking too much in a certain category, it doesn't appeal. In Lesabre's case, a major attribute is story, which is heavily related to genre. Not having a taste for Shonen series (in this case, Dragonball, which is battle-based) doesn't mean that they can't enjoy storytelling at all. Not watching moe shows is supposed to be an example of good art, horrible story. As far as the second point goes, there are also many genres of fiction as well. It's like saying if you like good romance novels, then you automatically must like good fantasy novels as well or you hate good storytelling.

Frankly, a lot of the controversy is that you watch primarily Shonen and LeSabre watches primarily Shojo.

Speaking of hating on the moe, I can't stop watching Takagi punching Ishizawa for trying to get Takagi to ditch Mashiro for drawing too complicated, and not drawing moe XD

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That was a hell of a punch. As soon as you saw Shujin getting angry you could see the falcon punch coming. Best anime of the season by a long shot.
The great part about it is that that Mashiro takes this as advice and starts to move his drawing closer to the general Shonen style over Seinen

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The argument was that if anything is lacking too much in a certain category, it doesn't appeal. In Lesabre's case, a major attribute is story, which is heavily related to genre. Not having a taste for Shonen series (in this case, Dragonball, which is battle-based) doesn't mean that they can't enjoy storytelling at all. Not watching moe shows is supposed to be an example of good art, horrible story. As far as the second point goes, there are also many genres of fiction as well. It's like saying if you like good romance novels, then you automatically must like good fantasy novels as well or you hate good storytelling.
Well, digi pretty much summed up my argument in a nutshell, so I will slowly back away from this topic.

But not before saying that I just watched episodes 17-20 of Amagami SS (the Rihoko arc), which is an anime which pretty much has all the elements I look for in a great anime going for it.

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Not really, Ayase is totally serious about killing you for corrupting her Kirino, she came off as pretty yandere at the end of her arc too. The dad route is more unexpected actually. Hope for more in December[January]'s Dengeki.

bah, don't like Sankaku Complex though. Usually I just browse the headlines, pick up the relevant links, and form my own opinion of it rather than having them media me into their opinions (which I usually end up disagreeing with)
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Gotta admit the only VN i've played through is Clannad so through lack of experience it may have been surprising. I guess it wouldn't follow the show exactly as by the end of the episode she asked for Kyousuke's number Didn't she? :L

Anyway, I couldn't sleep tonight so i decided to have a Ghost Hunt marathon, I mean it's not scary or anything......Bang, arc about a guy who thought he could get healthy by killing, draining the blood from and then bathing in blood of his young victims. Cheery. :L
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Seeing as how you horrific criminals have neither requested, asked for, kindly said 'please', petitioned for, or inquired as to the availability of my consent, I'm gonna slap the Shanghai Law into effect, and I'm planning on suing your criminal behinds for four easy payment of $2,999.99.

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On that note, use "incompliatation™" without my consent, and... *Sharpens knife*
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My only VN has been "Hourglass of Summer," which was actually translated and released in the US by the now defunct Hirameki International company. The format itself is interesting; it's actually a DVD where you use the DVD navigation commands to choose your options and proceed through the story. The story itself is an interesting mix of romance and "skipping through time" to prevent disasters or make sure events occur in the future.

There was also a 2-episode OVA that kept the Japanese title, "Natsuiro no Sunadokei" which was decent for a 2-episode OVA but the VN is involved enough that the storyline really should have been stretched out over more episodes.

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I'm getting the feeling that you're saying the shoujo genre can't have good stories or characters...
What? I don't think I've said that. o_O

The argument was that if anything is lacking too much in a certain category, it doesn't appeal. In Lesabre's case, a major attribute is story, which is heavily related to genre.
What I was objecting to was that she was putting how the pictures were drawn on the same level on how the story was told. 3/5 of her enjoyment criteria was skin deep sound and sight things. People have dismissed shows because of their art style. A lot of people think the same was as LeSabre and I find that objectionable.

Not having a taste for Shonen series (in this case, Dragonball, which is battle-based) doesn't mean that they can't enjoy storytelling at all.
See prior.

Not watching moe shows is supposed to be an example of good art, horrible story. As far as the second point goes, there are also many genres of fiction as well. It's like saying if you like good romance novels, then you automatically must like good fantasy novels as well or you hate good storytelling.
See prior.

Frankly, a lot of the controversy is that you watch primarily Shonen and LeSabre watches primarily Shojo.
See prior.

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To the members of PokeCommunity:
If Funimation sued me for this, I'd die laughing.
It hath not escaped my all-powerful notice that, on no less than four occasions, you have used the phrase "Nipah™" without my written consent, permission, approval, and/or/if/when/where/how/why allowance. The use of this phrase, which violates certain laws that may or may not exist, has occurred in topics such as this one, this so called "thread" of yours, this heinous, heinous monstrosity of trademark infringement,, and, finally, this.

Seeing as how you horrific criminals have neither requested, asked for, kindly said 'please', petitioned for, or inquired as to the availability of my consent, I'm gonna slap the Shanghai Law into effect, and I'm planning on suing your criminal behinds for four easy payment of $2,999.99.

I hereby demand that you cease, desist, end, terminate, stop, and discontinue the use of my phrase. If, within 30 seconds, you demonstrate an attitude of incompliatation, I shall personally come to your houses and cut you. And it will hurt. And you'll probably die. Slowly and painfully. Heh heh.
On that note, use "incompliatation™" without my consent, and... *Sharpens knife*
Nipah™,
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ex post facto. Also, I'm allowed to use Nipa~ as a privilege statement, so :p digi-chan law exceeds Shanghai Law, as seen by my higher OQ score by triple, and stumping Shanghai.

also, you don't have to quote the entire thing, you can just say something along the lines of "everything else has been summed up" or something. It's like you're trying to rub something in my face off a misunderstanding ^^;;
Anyways, a lot of it was that the post was made after talking about Dragonball, and how I interpreted it as you saying LeSabre was a hypocrite for saying she didn't like Dragonball, but liked story, especially when you capitalized everything BUT story and characters, making it seem like you thought that those were minor traits that LeSabre wanted :/

Though again, LeSabre's against "Lacking" in a category. LeSabre said "the whole package" and "if (one) is lacking too much," not "i want them all to be equally good"


VN-wise: I have Clannad and Little Busters here, though I've gotten a decent way though a whole bunch of various ones while I was in my Galge phase. Currently I'm working on Kud Wafter, and am going to move on the Rewrite demo soon.
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ex post facto. Also, I'm allowed to use Nipa~ as a privilege statement, so :p digi-chan law exceeds Shanghai Law, as seen by my higher OQ score by triple, and stumping Shanghai.
I'm a miniboss. None of that counted. Past victories never count against minibosses, because we're always just playing around.

Or something.

Anyway, Shanghai Law is bound to the mind and whims of Shanghai Alice. Owing to Shanghai's insanity, Shanghai Law is, therefore, equally inconstant and insane. Therefore, in order to trump Shanghai Law, you must be able to constantly adapt and top the insanity of Shanghai Law. Digi-Law is, by definition, bound to digi-kun. Digi-kun is a moderator, so digi-kun must be stable and constant. Therefore, a constant, clearly defined law is no match for Shanghai Law.

I win.


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Dear lord you know you're watching a bad series when you enjoy the omake a lot more than the actual show.
See: Lucky Star

I'm a miniboss. None of that counted. Past victories never count against minibosses, because we're always just playing around.
See:

Just marathoned through Mobile Suit Gundam. Great fun watching old school animation, especially with Char sniping off heads through space glass with a Rocket Launcher

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nipah~ Of course it wasn't a threat. There's no need to do anything to something that's not a threat.

Just read through Disappearance too. Great fun. Can't wait for the movie to hit DVD. Same goes for the visual novel coming out next year.

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OBJECTION DENIED!

....man, I really need to finish Utena though, that series has been on my hiatus list since how long ^^;; Same goes for Allison and Lilia actually...well, thanksgiving gives some good time to watch some anime XD

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If I could find somewhere that was streaming it legally, I definitely would finish up Kanon 2006. That's my "series that's been on hiatus for far too long because my DVD budget is depleted."

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If I could find somewhere that was streaming it legally, I definitely would finish up Kanon 2006. That's my "series that's been on hiatus for far too long because my DVD budget is depleted."
Just curious... why pay for anime? The Japanese watch it free, why shouldn't we? I understand buying manga, and I actually do buy all of my games, but not anime.

It's on youtube btw. In HD too.
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Yo Ho, Yo Ho, a pirate's life for me
We pillage, we plunder we rifle and loot
Drink up me hearties, yo ho

Saying that i've been a bit better recently, brought a few of my favourites. As for manga i have brought very few but still some. Games, don't really play them but when i do i buy them.

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Um, the reason they watch it free a lot is because it isn't actually available. And it airs on TV, you know?...It's not like the US where our DVDs were released long before they started airing on TV. Now if you're streaming the channel while it happens to be airing, that may be a different story, but somehow I highly doubt it.

Besides that, there's a certain pride to owning the series you like. Most of the very good series I've seen I own on DVD myself, especially when there's deals on them. Rightstuf tends to have really good deals constantly, so that's a good place to look for good prices.