modern-day slavery

Started by poopnoodle October 4th, 2010 5:38 PM
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there are some major issues that sit in the back of our minds as we pass the time consumed by our own worries, and one of these major issues is human trafficking. this is the second largest and most rapidly growing criminal organization, its yearly income estimated to be a whopping 5 to 9 billion dollars. victims are kidnapped from the streets (often times found in the midst of escaping from some other hopeless situation) and smuggled into a deplorable life of submission, mistreatment, and exploitation.

what do you think of human traffickers and their customers- do you think these men are in need of help or punishment? do you find speaking out against probably the cruelest form of human rights violation to be a waste of time; do you have any ideas on how to bring more attention to this atrocity? do you feel this issue is a byproduct of our male-dominated society, and how do you imagine a world where empathy and compassion have always been nurtured?
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Wow nicely said. I think this men need mental help...and then need to be punished...what if they ended up slaves for a week to someone else? I do not find this a waste of time to speak out against this cruelty, for it's only time, but i do think acting out against this is a waste of time. How many corrupt people who are supposed to be stopping this are participating in this? A crackdown on this slavery may be good, but how much would it accomplish when the human trade is moved to another place? Maybe the government could make a 30 second commercial on this and show it to children each year every year so that it is strongly enforced in the young that this IS WRONG! I do believe that this is somewhat related to our male-dominated society, but if women were in control, men would have more of a reason to do this...to get back on their female counterparts. Still, some people just don't believe that you can't truly own someone. You may have their body, but not their mind or soul. I think that since we have a male-dominated society it makes it easier for males to get away with it...i can't and wouldn't imagine a world where "good" emotions are mainly present because i know it won't happen. Thank you for your time and im srry if this post has annoyed any that are much more intelligent than me...
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Punishment. Human trafficking, aka the slave trade is one of the most vile things humans can do to each other. To effectively combat it, id suggest a zero-tolerance punishment policy. Being such a cruel practice, I'd mete out the ultimate punishment for human traffickers. Either, A. Death Penalty, or B. Let them Rot in jail for the rest of thier life pathetic lives.

Human traffickers can be of either gender too, so i wouldn't go as far to say its a product of a male-dominated society. It's the product of a HUMAN one. As horrible as that sounds, Slavery has always existed in our civilization. And a greedy, horrible one at that.
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ooh i agree, but rot in jail no! only death by killing themselves (make them inject themselves!!) i hav more too add! as long as we are not created equal in the eyes of others we will not live equally in the world of others! ppl don't see others equally ( even if they aren't equal of if they are) so they take advantage of this "weakness and exploit it to it's very limits!

does that hav to do with this topic?
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I think it is horrible, but there is no way we can put an end to all of. A zero-tolerance policy would be nice, but it wouldn't change much. Even if we were to end the acts in the US, UK, Canadian, and etc etc borders, it wouldn't completely solve the problem. I mean, as long as places like Somalia exist, horrible things such as this will exist. We can't just march into Somalia and demand change, as has been proven. There are people, places, and ideals that will never change what has happened and what will happen.

But, now, what is so cruel about this? The slave-traders are deciding the fates of their captees? Would you not be the same by condemning them to death? I'm not saying that we shouldn't, but that is just something to chew on.

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I think it is horrible, but there is no way we can put an end to all of. A zero-tolerance policy would be nice, but it wouldn't change much. Even if we were to end the acts in the US, UK, Canadian, and etc etc borders, it wouldn't completely solve the problem. I mean, as long as places like Somalia exist, horrible things such as this will exist. We can't just march into Somalia and demand change, as has been proven. There are people, places, and ideals that will never change what has happened and what will happen.

But, now, what is so cruel about this? The slave-traders are deciding the fates of their captees? Would you not be the same by condemning them to death? I'm not saying that we shouldn't, but that is just something to chew on.
That's what I hinted at with the slavery in civilization part. It's an unfortunate reality of human civilization. It's always going to exist, no matter what we do. But there we go with the the moral issue/paradox. Same with the death penalty. We put ourselves above the captors, yet we'd be taking their lives from them, and we'd be no better than them. But, we can't let them go unpunished.


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hmm........y even punish them? y not just put them in a cell for a day and for the whole day they should hav to listen to/watch their slaves tell their stories... if that doesn't knock any sense into them and they honestly believe that what their doing isn't wrong then.......maybe.....living death?
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That's what I hinted at with the slavery in civilization part. It's an unfortunate reality of human civilization. It's always going to exist, no matter what we do. But there we go with the the moral issue/paradox. Same with the death penalty. We put ourselves above the captors, yet we'd be taking their lives from them, and we'd be no better than them. But, we can't let them go unpunished.


To quote Batman Begins:

To conquer fear, you must become fear.
That quote rings ever so true.

I suppose, that as long as your action has justification, then it is the morally right thing to do. Justification would be punishing them for what they have done. But then, who decides what reasons are just and unjust? (Yes, this train will go on an on.)

hmm........y even punish them? y not just put them in a cell for a day and for the whole day they should hav to listen to/watch their slaves tell their stories... if that doesn't knock any sense into them and they honestly believe that what their doing isn't wrong then.......maybe.....living death?
If they cared in the first place, they wouldn't do it. I wouldn't surprised if many of them get off at stories that their slaves would have. They are typically the type of people who thrive on the grief and despair of others.

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That quote rings ever so true.

I suppose, that as long as your action has justification, then it is the morally right thing to do. Justification would be punishing them for what they have done. But then, who decides what reasons are just and unjust? (Yes, this train will go on an on.)
One of my personal favorites. xD

But that's another problem. Who is fit to judge, and who isnt? :/

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I don't really understand it. It seems they would be doing that to make money, among other reasons, but that can't be that easy of a way to make money compared to other things, legal or not.

Of course it's an issue that needs more attention, no doubt about that, but at this moment I really don't know how it could be dealt with. :(

The customers of the traffickers, since most if not all are seeking pleasure, are probably doing so because they think they can't get it any way without paying someone. The problem with that is specifically helping them get over that idea, and I know it's more complex than what I know about it, and so it's difficult to say what to do about them.

So there must be some reason why they got into that line of "work", but I don't see why. >_<
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People who do this to others are a waste of space and should take a look around themselves and think about what it'd be like to see through that person's eyes... :/ They shouldn't have the right to do that to people, and what? All for money? That's pretty pathetic if you ask me. I don't know how anyone can stand there.. just stand there and watch and/or make people suffer.. if they ever get caught, I think execution should take place. Not jail. Even though if they went to jail, they'd see how it's like to be locked up.



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Yes I think human trafficking is the worst crime in the world. There is no other crime which makes people suffer so pointlessly. Luckily there are some good charities which are working to prevent human trafficking like Stop the Traffik. They do lots of good things to raise awareness about trafficking and also they help girls who live in poor countries to get an education and training so they don’t end up in a situation where they can be taken advantage of by traffickers. I persuaded my parents to donate money to them and I donated some money too.

Also this topic might be locked because the last time someone made a topic about sex trafficking it was locked by Chibbi Chan because it is related to sex. Sadly I think she does not understand the issue. If she did she would not have locked it because it is a perfectly good topic for discussion.

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Interesting...there was an article in October 2010's Reader's Digest about this very topic. The article followed a trafficing investigation somewhere in California and said there are more slaves today then there were in ANY other period of history. :/ I personally think that it's impossible to abolish it completely. The best we can do is lessen it-how, I have no idea. Too many variables. D:
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These people deserve the DEATH PENALTY!
Throwing them in prison to rot is not a good idea... unless you turn the tide and make them into the victim! Lets see if they like em, workin as sex slaves or whatever...
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I was... not aware at all; I'm astonished. Slavery in any form is the sort of thing one reads about in history books and doesn't expect would exist in the world anymore, at least not nearly so prevalently. Given this I can't say I've made myself much to say on the matter... but also given this, it seems it could do with awareness raised about the actual scope of this 'industry'.

do you feel this issue is a byproduct of our male-dominated society
I don't quite follow... are there statistics showing most slavers are male and/or that most slaves themselves are female?
I can only hope it is such a 'byproduct', as I think our cultural shift toward equalism would then, in time, cause human trafficking to dissipate. Sadly for this outcome, I don't think it is.
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I don't quite follow... are there statistics showing most slavers are male and/or that most slaves themselves are female?
I can only hope it is such a 'byproduct', as I think our cultural shift toward equalism would then, in time, cause human trafficking to dissipate. Sadly for this outcome, I don't think it is.
i figured someone would nit-pick at my generalization :P

i read that (and bear in mind sex slavery isn't the only form of human trafficking, forced labor is just as prominent) 70% of trafficking victims are women, 50% are children. i can't find statistics about male/female traffickers, but i've only ever heard of them being male (from news stories, documentaries, the likes)- which, obviously isn't to say there aren't any female traffickers out there, but given the general dominant nature of men (and their supremacist role in society throughout history) and the bulk of victims that are women, i think we can safely assume that the vast majority of traffickers are probably men. of course, having never "been inside" the industry i can't say for certain, so i'm asking what you think.

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The only thing I can think of is an obvious one that politicians and law enforcement already try to do, and that's set an example of what happens to those traffickers when they get caught. But the problem with that is, it just makes them try harder to not get caught. :(

I hate to use gangs as an option, but maybe the ideas of NETA will spread to other ones, and they could play a part in getting rid of these types of crimes. They couldn't hide forever, and eventually they would realize there are better lines of work that don't involve abusing people. After hearing about what NETA does to those kinds of people, maybe people that think about getting into that line of work would think twice.

And that's only one example of vigilantes or whatever you want to call them, I don't really agree with killing people when there could be a compromise, but I guess some people have different methods, and if it stops abuse without abusing innocent people, then not many would argue with that. :S
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there are some major issues that sit in the back of our minds as we pass the time consumed by our own worries, and one of these major issues is human trafficking. this is the second largest and most rapidly growing criminal organization, its yearly income estimated to be a whopping 5 to 9 billion dollars. victims are kidnapped from the streets (often times found in the midst of escaping from some other hopeless situation) and smuggled into a deplorable life of submission, mistreatment, and exploitation.

what do you think of human traffickers and their customers- do you think these men are in need of help or punishment? do you find speaking out against probably the cruelest form of human rights violation to be a waste of time; do you have any ideas on how to bring more attention to this atrocity? do you feel this issue is a byproduct of our male-dominated society, and how do you imagine a world where empathy and compassion have always been nurtured?
I'll gladly tell you, but I'll end up having everyone thinking I'm a sadist.
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ii think we can safely assume that the vast majority of traffickers are probably men. of course, having never "been inside" the industry i can't say for certain, so i'm asking what you think.
No there are lots of women involved in human trafficking like brothel owners and also women are often the ones who trick people into being trafficked.


And that's only one example of vigilantes or whatever you want to call them, I don't really agree with killing people when there could be a compromise, but I guess some people have different methods, and if it stops abuse without abusing innocent people, then not many would argue with that. :S
That would not work the vigilantes would end up being killed by criminal gangs. Human trafficking is normally done by big criminal gangs that is why it is so hard to track them down.

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No there are lots of women involved in human trafficking like brothel owners and also women are often the ones who trick people into being trafficked.
There could be many, but that doesn't necessarily mean most (ie. a large proportion of the total) traffickers are female; like, there are also "many female" soldiers, but they're still a minority in their occupation. It's fair to say, though, that we shouldn't ignore the women involved just because of that.