No charges for puppy-thrower: police Page 2

Started by Zet October 5th, 2010 4:21 PM
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Age has nothing to do with the ability to differentiate right from wrong. The ability to differentiate right from wrong is a LEARNED SKILL, and does not magically manifest itself at a certain age.

Oh sure, the child can learn a bit by observing its elders, but that does not always guarantee proper instilling of the values of right and wrong, especially if the parents are not drawing limits for the child to learn from, so it can one day learn to draw limits for itself as an adult, even when the morality of something is unclear.
She cannot learn the difference between right and wrong if she is not punished for doing wrong.

I think this is utterly stupid, how she's not being punished. Here in Australia, she would have been charged, and would have to do community services. Or even spend some time in a juvenile detention center. Obviously something is wrong with this girl for her to commit such a crime. And not doing anything about it? She's not going to learn from that. She's probably going to do the same crap again, thinking she can get away with it, because she's under the age of prosecution.

I don't care for the fact she's 12 years old. Being that age doesn't give you the right to be a monster and destroy another living life. What if she did it to a baby or a young child. Obviously things would have turned out differently. I think it's stupid how the world doesn't seem to give a crap about animals and act like they're nothing at all.

And her parents are responsible for her punishment? Most parents don't even know what their kids do these days. Heck, her parents probably didn't even give a crap about what she did.

Obviously if she's gone and did something like this in the first place, her parents are raising her wrong since parents pretty much play a factor in children's lives.

This is my two cents, and this completely angers me because people like that in the world are stupid and make society go down deeper into the world of pitiful-ness and corruption.
It's exactly the same as killing a human baby, there is very little that makes us worth more than animals. A baby is still a baby, and killing a baby for 'fun' is wrong as ****.

Killing an animal is not the same as killing a human, not even close. Whether you meant to or not, putting forth such an argument is putting humans on the level of animals, and that's one thing I will never accept.
Yeah, it's worse. Animals can't understand humans as well as we understand them, meaning they may love you unconditionally until you toss them into a ****ing river.
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I think your logic is backward. If she knew it was wrong, why would she post it? I think the fact that she posted it makes it more likely that she didn't know that what she was doing was wrong.
Attention. That's basically it. Vendak basically said it all. Unless her community takes part in recreational puppy drowning, something is askew with the positing bit. Some people are sick, and this situation leans very harshly in that direction.

Anyway I think that your assumption that anyone that kills an animal is a sociopath is also a bit contrived, and I don't like that you're dragging other irrelevant issues into it, like the death penalty or gun control. Killing an animal is not the same as killing a human, not even close. Whether you meant to or not, putting forth such an argument is putting humans on the level of animals, and that's one thing I will never accept.
I used the death penalty more as an example of skewed reasoning. Reasoning around the point, really. "It was her parents", or "Kids don't know right from wrong", etc, and ignoring the fact that she killed puppies. Things should be held within context... if she had killed her baby brother, would you still hold the same conviction? She didn't know right from wrong?

And I didn't say that anyone who kills something must be a sociopath. I simply said that animal cruelty is the number one warning sign of a sociopath in the making. Sure, not always... but given the posting of the video, (and, perhaps someone who has actually watched it can verify this) the supposed glee she took in doing so, is that a chance you really want to take? The fact of the matter is that she seems to have done this out of enjoyment, and that is the sign of a potential sociopath, no matter how old you are.

As for humans and animals on the same level... let's just say that I'm not trying to put humans on the animal level, but rather animals on the human level. I adore my animals, especially my cats, and I believe they're part of the family and deserve the same respect and consideration as any member of my family should get.

What follows is a little off topic, but worth mentioning. The fact that animals are unbiased, that they don't discriminate or hate (for stupid, trivial reasons we humans seem to come up with, ie, color of your skin or nationality or a physical/mental disability, social class or subcultures) in my opinion puts animals on a higher level than us humans. Sure, we humans can build rockets, split atoms, make wonderful music or literature, and build little gadgets that constantly beep, but animals can love and trust without bias, and that's a quality we humans will likely never see.
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It's exactly the same as killing a human baby, there is very little that makes us worth more than animals. A baby is still a baby, and killing a baby for 'fun' is wrong as ****.
I know, I'm just saying that some people out there tend to think animals on the lower level of us, like they are inferior to us. I do not think this myself though.

I was basically stating that because of who the victim was in this situation, it's an obvious reason why this was disregarded so easily.
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As for humans and animals on the same level... let's just say that I'm not trying to put humans on the animal level, but rather animals on the human level. I adore my animals, especially my cats, and I believe they're part of the family and deserve the same respect and consideration as any member of my family should get.
Well, that's your choice within your household, but don't try to force such an attitude on others. I find it highly insulting to be put on the same level as an animal. People are capable of feeling joy, sorrow, can empathize with others, can understand the difference between right and wrong. Animals don't. The ones that don't attack us only do so because their instincts don't tell them to, whether through conditioning (such as pets) or lack of intelligence (like chickens, though even they do sometimes). Feral dogs and cats often attack humans, usually to defend their territory. That is a purely instinctual reaction. Humans do this sometimes as well, but many wouldn't because it conflicts with their notions of right and wrong. We can understand that killing a person is taking away the life of someone with (potentially) the qualities above. Humans can overcome instinct based on their concept of the world; animals will never go against instinct unless trained to do so.

What follows is a little off topic, but worth mentioning. The fact that animals are unbiased, that they don't discriminate or hate (for stupid, trivial reasons we humans seem to come up with, ie, color of your skin or nationality or a physical/mental disability, social class or subcultures) in my opinion puts animals on a higher level than us humans. Sure, we humans can build rockets, split atoms, make wonderful music or literature, and build little gadgets that constantly beep, but animals can love and trust without bias, and that's a quality we humans will likely never see.
Machines do that, too; would you value a computer over a human life? Pardon me for saying so, but I find that notion horrifying, to say the least. For all our flaws, I think we're far better off not being unfeeling automatons.
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Forget about charging the ignorant 12 year old, lets fine/charge her deadbeat parents/guardians on animal cruelty charges, and, you could make an argument for child endangerment. (She is running around near a large river, unsupervised)

As bad as this is, you still can't charge a 12 year old. What would they do, book her and throw her in jail? She can go to prison/juvenile detention, and hone her sociopathic skills there, so when she'd be released she'd be 10 times worse. I'd throw her in a behavior program, she's obviously sociopathic if she likes to kill puppies for kicks.

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The amount of people that say humans are worth so much more than animals. I don't accept that at all. We're the most 'intelligent' race on this planet, yet we seem to be the ones messing it up. An animal like a puppy is defenceless against a human, so anyone that thinks it fun to toss a few little puppies in a river is clearly either lacking some brain cells or a sociopath.
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The whole "humans life is more valuable blah blah blah", I don't except that ****.

Puppies, kittens, or any animal for that matter is just as important as us. True, if we live on we can do great or bad things, but overall animals are equals to humans. Oh wait, we ARE animals?

So this little stunt this girl pulled is going to either be ignored, or taken seriously. My bet is on taken seriously, cause SHE POSTED A FRICKING VIDEO OF IT. Not like she was sneaking and doing it, she posted it on THE WORLD WIDE WEB. That's just crazy, and I think she needs mental help.

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The whole "humans life is more valuable blah blah blah", I don't except that ****.

Puppies, kittens, or any animal for that matter is just as important as us. True, if we live on we can do great or bad things, but overall animals are equals to humans. Oh wait, we ARE animals?

So this little stunt this girl pulled is going to either be ignored, or taken seriously. My bet is on taken seriously, cause SHE POSTED A FRICKING VIDEO OF IT. Not like she was sneaking and doing it, she posted it on THE WORLD WIDE WEB. That's just crazy, and I think she needs mental help.
It's pretty much true though. In the eyes of most people, Peoples lives > Animals lives. We may be animals too, but we are a higher order of animals, as they don't have complex thought, morals, tool making capabilities, etc. It's crude Darwin- Survival of the fittest. Ultimately, No animals life, no matter what is it, is as important as another human being's life. But that doesn't mean we throw helpless animals in a river. We prove why we're higher beings, and we use our higher brain functions to protect said animals from harm as much as possible. I love animals, but I also realize that people > animals. Say my dog mauled another person. As sad, angry and frustrated as I'd be, the dog would still have to be put down.

But yes, she's a sociopathic nut job, and she, and her parents/guardians, deserved to be punished for it.

I would also like to point out that this story is so heated because its one of those that pulls at the heart strings, because it involves helpless puppies, and we like puppies. Had this girl thrown a snake/Bird/other reptile/other more exotic pet into the river instead, there would literally be no reaction at all. Not anywhere close to this level of outcry. An unfortunate double standard.

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What no charges?!?
Honestly, once you turn 8 here, you can go to juvey, i dont know wth the laws are there but i cant wait till she and the law enforces get attacked by some animals. BECAUSE THEY MATTER.

She should get punished somehow

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It's pretty much true though. In the eyes of most people, Peoples lives > Animals lives. We may be animals too, but we are a higher order of animals, as they don't have complex thought, morals, tool making capabilities, etc. No animals life, no matter what is it, is as important as another human being's life. But that doesn't mean we throw helpless animals in a river. We prove why we're higher beings, and we use our higher brain function to protect said animals from harm as much as possible.
As many people as there are out there that try protecting animals, there's twice as many that go out hunting for sport and the satisfaction of killing. That's not protecting them. That's outright blasphemy. Animals are only supposed to take what they need, and nothing more. I don't see many other species that hunt for the hell of it.
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As many people as there are out there that try protecting animals, there's twice as many that go out hunting for sport and the satisfaction of killing. That's not protecting them. That's outright blasphemy. Animals are only supposed to take what they need, and nothing more. I don't see many other species that hunt for the hell of it.
That's true, I don't like that fact people kill for sport, but people are always going to do it. :/ an unfortunate truth. But its human nature to kill, and we've killed animals as long as we've been on the earth. Animals kill other animals, all the time. It's not blasphemy, it's reality. An unfortunate one, because we're supposedly higher up than they are on the evolutionary ladder.

I would like to point out in the animal kingdom, when a male lion takes over a pride, he will systematically kill any other lion cubs he finds, simply because they aren't his. While in the womb, baby sharks will literally eat each other, because they're competing for nourishment and room. And those aren't the only example of killing/hunting for the hell of it. There are plenty more examples.
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Well, that's your choice within your household, but don't try to force such an attitude on others. I find it highly insulting to be put on the same level as an animal. People are capable of feeling joy, sorrow, can empathize with others, can understand the difference between right and wrong. Animals don't. The ones that don't attack us only do so because their instincts don't tell them to, whether through conditioning (such as pets) or lack of intelligence (like chickens, though even they do sometimes). Feral dogs and cats often attack humans, usually to defend their territory. That is a purely instinctual reaction. Humans do this sometimes as well, but many wouldn't because it conflicts with their notions of right and wrong. We can understand that killing a person is taking away the life of someone with (potentially) the qualities above. Humans can overcome instinct based on their concept of the world; animals will never go against instinct unless trained to do so.
You have some points, but an animal won't attack/kill a human (or another animal, for that matter) out of enjoyment, such as this girl. This superiority thing among humans has really got to stop; we have to start thinking of ourselves not as some super race that is meant to control, but as just another species on this planet that should work to coexist. Do you recall what happened the last time a group considered themselves superior, more powerful, and overall, of a higher order than another group? The Holocaust. Living organisms are living organisms, no matter how small or how large or how powerful or how different. Our thought process makes us more efficient than an animal, sure, but that automatically make us better than an animal, more valuable? I don't think so.

Machines do that, too; would you value a computer over a human life? Pardon me for saying so, but I find that notion horrifying, to say the least. For all our flaws, I think we're far better off not being unfeeling automatons.
Ummm... not really. I was talking with a guy at work the other night who believes brains are basically one complex computer system, and while I kind of agree, I feel there's a scientific difference I can't quite figure out yet. This is more of a debate for Issac Asimov or Arthur C. Clarke (HAL 9000 anyone?).

This is actually quite an interesting concept, although probably off-topic. Right now, having not really thought it out too much, I'd say the difference is that computers are not self sustaining. But at the same time, babies aren't really self sustaining either, and require a parent to survive, much like computers require an owner to support them and keep them "healthy". So, on that note, would you consider a baby a life, since it holds many of the same characteristics as far as "being able to live/survive", feeling empathy and others? Or are you just going off the principle of a soul, or a fundamental difference? And if so, what is that difference, without going into religion or just saying "because".

Hmmm... interesting concept indeed! ;)

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I would also like to point out that this story is so heated because its one of those that pulls at the heart strings, because it involves helpless puppies, and we like puppies. Had this girl thrown a snake/Bird/other reptile/other more exotic pet into the river instead, there would literally be no reaction at all. Not anywhere close to this level of outcry.
That's actually very true, sadly. Some people pick-and-choose, and I, personally, try not to. I don't even like killing bugs, and I always feel sorry for a spider I squish (even though the little bugger shouldn't have been in my room in the first place!), but that's really the only time I ever kill insects; I prefer to catch them and take them outside. I don't like violence towards any living thing, no matter how small. I remember when I was very, very young and living at my grandmother's house, there was a spider (a daddy long-legs, I think) that lived in a drawer in the bathroom, for almost a month. I forget what name we gave it, but I was genuinely sad when it disappeared. Another instance, around the same age, I fished a dragonfly out of the pool at my grand mother's house, set it on the rim and let him dry and fly away. A little later I was sitting on a chair outside, and WHIZ, out of the sky and onto the armrest, not inches from my arm, came fluttering the exact same dragonfly. He just sat there for a while, no identifiable purpose whatsoever, and then flew off. I always took it as a small thanks for saving him, and I'll never forget that!
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..o__o; Just because she is 12, does not mean she shouldn't get punished for that.. I don't know, why the fudge would her parents let her wander near a river in the first place? The girl obviously doesn't understand animals have feelings, just like us --even if they can't show it as well as us-- or else she is just too immature to understand and decides to go throw innocent puppies into a river... I mean.. did she do it, and then record it, just to 'show off' in front of people on the internet? Yes, I think that may be why she (and the next door neighbour) done it in the first place.



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Throw her down that same river to see if she would like it.

Now seriously, she shouldn't go unpunished. What she did showed that she has no respect for life. Come on, they were puppies! I don't care that she's twelve, she should be able to know what is right and what is wrong. Harsh punishment is demanded.
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Disgusting!! Seriously what the hell is wrong with people these days!! every time I read the news or go on news.com.au there is another animal abuse article! Today there was one about some guys who scalped a horse and left him to bleed to death!!

I can't believe she got no punishment, I bet her parents didn't even tell her off!
We really need harsh rules and punishments for animal abusers! People make me sick!

Also to whoever said that we wouldn't care if it wasn't something cute and cuddly, that is not true! I love all animals and would hate it if anything was tortured in anyway!! (even humans who I am not so fond of don't deserve to be tortured!) I understand animals are killed for meat, killed for game etc, etc but at least it isn't tortured and they don't suffer!
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That's true, I don't like that fact people kill for sport, but people are always going to do it. :/ an unfortunate truth. But its human nature to kill, and we've killed animals as long as we've been on the earth. Animals kill other animals, all the time. It's not blasphemy, it's reality. An unfortunate one, because we're supposedly higher up than they are on the evolutionary ladder.
Most animals kill for territorial control, food, to protect it's young, find a mate, out of fear or to eliminate competition. There are the odd species or two that will hunt for fun or for a trophy (for example, my cat) but that's usually to prove that it's dominant.

Animals don't always eat the species they've killed, because if they're doing it for a mate or for territory they have no need to. Animals aren't as stupid as people make them out to be, and tend to think a few steps ahead. A wild animal doesn't know where its next meal is coming from, and if it finds a glut of prey in one place, it makes sense to kill as many as it can while they're still available.
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