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Started by poopnoodle October 12th, 2010 8:02 PM
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I'm straight, but I have no problem with people being gay. I mean, I like BL(some of it). GL's not my thing, but I can see in intrigue. Of course, I've been called things for supporting Gay Marriage, and God forbid my father ever finds out. Normally, I'd have no problem telling him, but he's so politics politics politics. I'm not allowed my own opinion v_v

But I respect everyone's opinion on this subject. As long as it's not "EW THAT'S GROSS". In which case, I WILL throw logic at you and make you feel stupid n_n. I'm a defensive kinda person.

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how long do you think it will take for the world to acknowledge individual sexual preferences as a perfectly natural part of humanity?[/SIZE]
How long? Forever and never.

The entire world hasn't come to the conclusion that women are people yet. Or other cultures as equal. Or.... a whole list of things.

Sooo.... yeah, not expecting it in my life time.

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Hey, y'all! Yes, you. Everyone who voted for Proposition 8 in California, and everyone who's voted for similar measures in Arizona or elsewhere, and don't forget the people support it, the stay, and want to reverse the unconstitutional ruling. Come on down. Have a seat. Have a beer. I'd like just a moment of your time; I promise I'll go quickly, and I won't swear. Everybody with me?

It isn't every day you get a golden opportunity to hurt thousands of people who never did a thing to you, in exchange for zero benefit to yourself or to society. You sure showed those people who were just looking to share their lives with the person they love, didn't you? Awesome work, and I hate to be a party pooper at this, your great moment of triumph over the homosexuals. But today, of all days, it seems necessary to remind you of one thing that, I suspect, you already know deep down.

You're going to lose.
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People really need to stop and think, clearly, before they act. To this day I still don't understand why people just LOVE to make others miserable. Even if they're just following their beliefs. :|

I'm not expecting the world to accept homosexuality any time soon in my life. The hate and ignorance is just too strong...
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I personally believe that if you aren't gay, and you have even the slightest discomfort around gay people just because we like people of the same sex, that makes you a bigot, and you do not deserve my respect. :)
and i personally believe that if you are of any sexual orientation, and immediately dismiss and disrespect anyone who is merely uncomfortable with a lifestyle they're not familiar with, that makes you a bigot :-)

it's perfectly understandable that some people are apprehensive of the unknown, it's the byproduct of an intolerant society. we should embrace those people because they give us the opportunity to enlighten them... showing bigotry from either side only fuels animosity.

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and i personally believe that if you are of any sexual orientation, and immediately dismiss and disrespect anyone who is merely uncomfortable with a lifestyle they're not familiar with, that makes you a bigot :-)

it's perfectly understandable that some people are apprehensive of the unknown, it's the byproduct of an intolerant society. we should embrace those people because they give us the opportunity to enlighten them... showing bigotry from either side only fuels animosity.
Yes, I am bigoted towards bigots. I will proudly admit it.

I do not do well with people who disagree with me. I don't know why I can't just..deal with it. I have to be a jerk about it. I guess that's just my personality. Might as well just live with it (I am saying that I might as well live with it.)
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No need to apologize, that is exactly right. I do think biblical/Judeo christian views tend to get in the way of society as a whole accepting LGBT people, which is sad because those very teachings tell us to love all of our fellow man.

A person's sexual orientation is their own business, and no other person or institution has the right to judge them for it.
Islam takes Homosexuality even worse, trust me.

Someone made a theory as to why Homosexuality is "looked down":
Since Ancient Times, some societies wanted women to give birth and men to plant their seeds so they can continue to conquer and become dominant in their region(s) (Hence why Greek City States don't mind homosexuality as much but the Romans do) and since Homosexuality does not give birth to "future warriors", it is looked down and discouraged.

Then there's this country where Male Homosexuality is punishable by death but Lesbians are allowed to do what they wish. Insecurity much?

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I hate when people SOLELY define themselves based entirely on their sexuality and nothing else. :/ Whether it be straight, gay, bi, etc. It just leaves a bad taste in my life. Life's not JUST about your sexual partners, honey.
It's not my problem, it's not my preference, so keep it out of my face.
But the main reason I don't like most homosexuals is the fact that they cannot keep it out of my face. They must make a statement. They must be noticed.
Basically this. I do have gay friends, and even FLAMING gay friends, but they don't make sexuality their "go-to conversation point."
>_> Some guys are naturally feminine, and that's all cool. I just really don't CARE for you if the first thing you tell me about yourself is the fact that you're a homo.
It's like some straight dude you just meet in a new class and the first gottdamn thing he says to you is "Hi, I'm single, and I like the LADIES." >___> Like wtf.

>_> So I categorize LGBT in two subsections.. Regulars.. and "Gaytards".. because THOSE are the people who are flaunting it just to cause drama and get noticed.
>_> And I apologize if you find "Gaytards" a derogatory word.. but it's not actually meant to hurt anyone who's legitimately LGTB.. because it's more as a term for a "Gay wannabe" or like a term for a "Hag-hag" or any of those stupid people who go around kissing people of the same sex just to spread gossip or get attention from the sex that they're ACTUALLY attracted to. >_> Also this category includes people who FLAUNT a gay lifestyle to people REGARDLESS of the fact that it MIGHT make other people uncomfortable, but do it anyways because they think they're on top of the freaking world. Yet they throw a pity party if someone mentions that they don't like their sexual preferences being thrown into their faces.
If you find it offensive, either get off your high-horse and realize that I'm not referring to "Gaytards" as the entire LGBT population, or realize that you're doing the population an unnecessary "deed" by voicing your sexual preference to complete strangers. Yeah, that includes all of you too, "gurl." I know you must think almost everything is directed at you, but it's not, so don't take offense and calm down.

But in all.. I don't care for other's sexual preferences.. as long as it's not like.. hurting anyone, people can do whatever they want in my eyes.


And that's my opinion, if you don't agree with me, so be it. But I'm not going to fight about it.
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I second everything Kura just said. I don't mind homosexuals and it doesn't bother me if they wanna get married, but making a big flipping deal out of your sexuality and thinking that a history of being discriminated yields you the right to have a condescending attitude about everything will piss me off and think less of you as a person. >_>

Yes, I am bigoted towards bigots. I will proudly admit it.

I do not do well with people who disagree with me. I don't know why I can't just..deal with it. I have to be a jerk about it. I guess that's just my personality. Might as well just live with it (I am saying that I might as well live with it.)
I used to be just like that too, except on the opposite side of the aisle admittedly (outspoken, jerkish homophobe). All it took is a little time to "grow up" and become more level-headed for me to assume my current role as a passive LGBT supporter. :/

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I hate when people SOLELY define themselves based entirely on their sexuality and nothing else. :/ Whether it be straight, gay, bi, etc. It just leaves a bad taste in my life. Life's not JUST about your sexual partners, honey.


Basically this. I do have gay friends, and even FLAMING gay friends, but they don't make sexuality their "go-to conversation point."
People who solely define themselves as gay angers me as well. They're just..attention seekers I guess. I am gay, but I don't mention it, ever (except just then, because it was relevant to show I am not biased.) The only time it ever comes up is when I am with my friends and they wont shut up about it. :|
I used to be just like that too, except on the opposite side of the aisle admittedly (outspoken, jerkish homophobe). All it took is a little time to "grow up" and become more level-headed for me to assume my current role as a passive LGBT supporter. :/
Well, I am happy that you came to your senses to realize it is stupid to hate someone for what they are, and not who they are. But a lot of homophobes I hate are adults, and not kids. If they haven't grown up yet, then there's no hope for them.

But if there is a 12 year old going around screaming homophobic things, more than likely I wont care at all, because they're 12.
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While I support people's freedom to be whatever orientation they can come up with, I cannot however support the LGBT movement because-

You do recognize that, right? I mean, 150 years ago, your philosophical forebears kept black men as slaves. A hundred years ago, your philosophical forebears outlawed marriage between a white woman and a black man. People like you denied blacks the vote, denied women the vote, tacitly allowed marital rape, segregated the schools, and burned down stores with Jewish owners. And recently, a man that people like you once enslaved, the product of a union that people like you once forbade, was elected President of the United States of America in part by citizens that people like you once disenfranchised. The slaveowners, the segregationists, the Klan, the rest of it, all of them are gone or marginalized, sad jokes, and the only thing separating you from them is just a little more time. A little.
Because... of stuff like the above. *Facedesks ever so hard* Racism is not homophobia. Racism is not like homophobia. They are on a completely different scale. Frankly, I am sickened and disgusted by LGBT supporters who do this and it is the biggest reason I cannot support the group without shooting my dignity. Nothing personal. I just won't label myself as supporting LGBT unless the label fits REALLY well. I'd rather support my own view which is a lot less like obnoxious propaganda "We are the new blacks! We are the new slaves!"



It's coming, and we all know it. We know it because the natural direction of this society has always been toward more freedom, more rationality, more common decency. We move in pathetically small increments sometimes, mostly because of people like you, but we keep on moving and we're going to move right on past your outmoded mind. And there is nothing - nothing - that you can do about it.
The reason people ignore you is because things like this set off red lights in their head that say to them "This person is a troll." Just saying.

I'm gay by the way
I'm bi. Nice to meet you. =/


I personally believe that if you aren't gay, and you have even the slightest discomfort around gay people just because we like people of the same sex, that makes you a bigot, and you do not deserve my respect. :)
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Yes, I am bigoted towards bigots. I will proudly admit it.

I do not do well with people who disagree with me. I don't know why I can't just..deal with it. I have to be a jerk about it. I guess that's just my personality. Might as well just live with it (I am saying that I might as well live with it.)
It would appear that being uncomfortable with something is not being intolerant. Therefore, only you fit under the definition of bigot. In fact, I've been victimized by bigots who absolutely flip out when I admit to being honestly uncomfortable with a set niche. As if I'm not allowed to have a conflicting opinion. So much for freedom.

THAT is true bigotry, and an embarrassment their respective viewpoints if I say so my self.

It's nothing more than discrimination. Except it's a form of discrimination that's more widely accepted, because so many governments sanctify it. There's really nothing more to say. I could rant for a while about how ridiculous it is, but all the points are fairly obvious.
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You do know, I already said I was a bigot towards bigots. I really don't see the point in you saying that after other people already have, including myself.

I just love how you completely ignored that little part.

I see sexual orientation as something similar to having a favorite food; it's different in everyone, and very fluid.

I am asexual, myself.
I agree, people tend to think of it as very clear cut and it's not. (b'')b
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This. This. This. If you're gay, be gay. I honestly don't care about what sexuality you are. There's only one thing that annoys me more than gay people using their sexuality as an excuse for attention, though, which is when other people call others gay as an insult. It's just...wrong.
But if there is a 12 year old going around screaming homophobic things, more than likely I wont care at all, because they're 12.
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I dare say that heterosexuals and homosexuals and bisexuals and transexuals are not the same and should not be treated the same. God forbid you tell the difference. How differently they should be treated is up for debate, however.
How should they be treated differently? Black people are not the same as white people, but that doesn't mean they should be treated any differently. Sexual preference has about as much of an impact as skin colour when it comes to how one should perceive another. Treating someone differently (either for better, or worse), or being requested to be treated differently, merely because someone possesses such a trivial trait, is stupid.

You know full well what I mean when I say discrimination. There's another definition, I think you may have missed it.
(sometimes discrimination against) distinct treatment of an individual or group to their disadvantage; treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality; prejudice; bigotry.
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I don't like how you worded your thread, I can tell your position from the first sentence; Your gauging the conversation. Your are suppose to propose what the subject is, later post your view, and your reasons for belief.
i didn't ask for criticism on how i presented my questions. there are no specific structural regulations to follow here, and i wasn't looking to hide my stance. you're welcome to express an opposing opinion anytime.

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I know there is no set structure, but when you want to have an intelligent conversation its a good rule of thumb. My opposing view is already looked down upon by people who have initially read your thread, and feel sympathy towards your opinion. The conversation was un fairly placed in your favor, in it sets the tone scaring away possible arguments. Then from there it just becomes a echo room, and less of a discussion. :/
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I know there is no set structure, but when you want to have an intelligent conversation its a good rule of dumb. My opposing view is already looked down upon by people who have initially read your thread, and feel sympathy towards your opinion. The conversation was un fairly placed in your favor, in it sets the tone scaring away possible arguments. Then from there it just becomes a echo room, and less of a discussion. :/
Why is it a rule of thumb? Poopnoodle is just another poster like everyone else here, why should she be restricted about posting her opinion? People here are not children that believe whatever is said to them. The topic of sexuality is not something that is new to everyone here. People will already have their own opinion and it is not going to suddenly change just because the creator of a thread about sexuality on a Pokemon forum had a particular opinion. Do you seriously think if poopnoodle made a thread saying how anything other than heterosexuality is bad would be full of people agreeing with that viewpoint? I don't think so. And that's not the case in this situation either.

I mean, you clearly did not read the first post and suddenly agree with everything poopnoodle says just because she is the thread creator. So why do you think everybody else would do that?

I think you're just annoyed because everyone has a different opinion from you in this thread. After reading the thread, you realised nobody would take your side if you tried putting forward your own view, got annoyed by that and tried to find something to complain about instead.
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I know there is no set structure, but when you want to have an intelligent conversation its a good rule of dumb. My opposing view is already looked down upon by people who have initially read your thread, and feel sympathy towards your opinion. The conversation was un fairly placed in your favor, in it sets the tone scaring away possible arguments. Then from there it just becomes a echo room, and less of a discussion. :/
you're right, the intent of the thread is to express views from all sides, and i'm sorry you feel uncomfortable expressing yourself because of the context of my post. i'll keep that in mind next time around, thanks for kindly pointing it out to me. your views on sexual orientation are welcome, please feel free to proceed with them

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Why is it a rule of thumb? Poopnoodle is just another poster like everyone else here, why should she be restricted about posting her opinion? People here are not children that believe whatever is said to them. The topic of sexuality is not something that is new to everyone here. People will already have their own opinion and it is not going to suddenly change just because the creator of a thread about sexuality on a Pokemon forum had a particular opinion. Do you seriously think if poopnoodle made a thread saying how anything other than heterosexuality is bad would be full of people agreeing with that viewpoint? I don't think so. And that's not the case in this situation either.

I mean, you clearly did not read the first post and suddenly agree with everything poopnoodle says just because she is the thread creator. So why do you think everybody else would do that?

I think you're just annoyed because everyone has a different opinion from you in this thread. After reading the thread, you realised nobody would take your side if you tried putting forward your own view, got annoyed by that and tried to find something to complain about instead.
You place your opinion after you make a neutral statement. The reason why there are no opposing views is because of that exact reason, I will not degrade myself, and play on your terms.

(P.S thanks, I fixed the word error)

you're right, the intent of the thread is to express views from all sides, and i'm sorry you feel uncomfortable expressing yourself because of the context of my post. i'll keep that in mind next time around, thanks for kindly pointing it out to me. your views on sexual orientation are welcome, please feel free to proceed with them
Thank you, I am glad you understand. I do not wish to offend anyone or hurt anybody's feelings. I am not a homophone, I have to work with gay people, I don't mind it has long has they don't bring it up, or act so bluntly about it. It makes me feel uncomfortable, and I want to share with them that it is not appropriate to be sharing that at work. I also do not express sympathy for people who say they where born gay; for multiply reasons. For one I believe it is not acceptable to be gay, that it is a perversion of Gods original intent, which is a whole other subject. How can you use that argument with out first proving that god is real. I can wright a whole book about this but since I am going to go hang out with my friends later I will try to keep this in a paragraph. I will humor you, and say you are born homosexual; so what? You were born crying non stop, and you where born placing everything in your both, as you grow, so did your intelligence.
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You place your opinion after you make a neutral statement. The reason why there are no opposing views is because of that exact reason, I will not degrade myself, and play on your terms.

(P.S thanks, I fixed the word error)
People are not so simple and impressionable. You're basically saying everyone in this thread is too stupid to develop their own opinion, so they just have to echo the words of the thread creator. I think most of the people here are smarter than that.

Did you not think that maybe everyone mainly agrees on the same thing in this thread because it's the most rational and respectful viewpoint? You're making a bold claim with no evidence to back it up at all.

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You place your opinion after you make a neutral statement. The reason why there are no opposing views is because of that exact reason, I will not degrade myself, and play on your terms.

(P.S thanks, I fixed the word error)



Thank you, I am glad you understand. I do not wish to offend anyone or hurt anybody's feelings. I am not a homophone, I have to work with gay people, I don't mind it has long has they don't bring it up, or act so bluntly about it. It makes me feel uncomfortable, and I want to share with them that it is not appropriate to be sharing that at work. I also do not express sympathy for people who say they where born gay; for multiply reasons. For one I believe it is not acceptable to be gay, that it is a perversion of Gods original intent, which is a whole other subject. How can you use that argument with out first proving that god is real. I can wright a whole book about this but since I am going to go hang out with my friends later I will try to keep this in a paragraph. I will humor you, and say you are born homosexual; so what? You were born crying non stop, and you where born placing everything in your both, as you grow, so did your intelligence.
Not entirely true. I stated my opposing views and I didn't get called out for it. I don't think you should get called out for your views, either. They're your own views and no one really has the right to change them.

People are not so simple and impressionable. You're basically saying everyone in this thread is too stupid to develop their own opinion, so they just have to echo the words of the thread creator. I think most of the people here are smarter than that.

Did you not think that maybe everyone mainly agrees on the same thing in this thread because it's the most rational and respectful viewpoint? You're making a bold claim with no evidence to back it up at all.
Back the bus up. If you're saying he shouldn't make such a bold claim, then you shouldn't make a similar claim by assuming that he's "Basically saying everyone in this thread is too stupid to develop their own opinion." :/ Because you don't have any real evidence to back that up, either. You are just contextualizing what he is saying by your own terms. Otherwise, if it was real evidence, I would've got that same vibe, but I don't.
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People are not so simple and impressionable. You're basically saying everyone in this thread is too stupid to develop their own opinion, so they just have to echo the words of the thread creator. I think most of the people here are smarter than that.

Did you not think that maybe everyone mainly agrees on the same thing in this thread because it's the most rational and respectful viewpoint? You're making a bold claim with no evidence to back it up at all.
Not true, when you read something the first thing you do is form your opinion based on your situation. People are generally nice, and want to have a conversation with out hurting anybody. But when a conversation is worded in such a way that the opposing opinion is demonized, then that opinion will never be expressed. Also the creator of the thread apologized, end of story.
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This is a discussion on sexual orientation, not a discussion on "how to present or continue discussions".

It's fine to have opposing views--if you read through the thread, you can see that several people have had opposing views and have received no personal attacks over it. If you post and someone does harass you about it, report them.

Now back on topic, guys.


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This is a discussion on sexual orientation, not a discussion on "how to present or continue discussions".

It's fine to have opposing views--if you read through the thread, you can see that several people have had opposing views and have received no personal attacks over it. If you post and someone does harass you about it, report them.

Now back on topic, guys.
Back on topic? Ok...

Narutoactor's thread got locked as I was typing this, but it was in response to someone wanting proof that people aren't born gay. I'm just sharing my opinion on the issue.

Do you have any solid scientific evidence to prove this?
I don't personally believe you are born with ANY sexual preference. Granted your body is designed for a specific use, but that may or may not come into play. Really, all we are is the culmination of all of our experiences in life. A gay person's experiences lead him or her to be Gay. It wasn't a decision, and they weren't born that way.

Example: I've been exposed to far more yaoi than I would like lately, due to the anime that I'm watching, and all of the girls on deviantart drawing yuri one day and then after I deviantwatch them, they seem to draw nothing but yaoi. I'll admit, just because I'm exposed to it so much, I have a little nagging feeling inside that wants to try it. Now, I'm straight, and I'm going to stay straight, if I have anything to say about it, but this is the perfect example of how our experiences shape who we are.