Why so serious?

Started by avolonsaber November 15th, 2010 8:19 AM
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How competitive are you?

Seen May 16th, 2014
Posted October 16th, 2013
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What happened, why is the Pokemon scene so serious now? Its gotten so competitive. I get that people wanna be the best that ever was, but it seems like they're more worried about winning then just having fun playing the games. I'm not knocking the people who breed for perfect stats(or why ever they do it, I don't actually know), EV Train, or don't use "Ubers". Doesn't that get boring though? I mean breeding Pokemon to get an egg with a certain move or good stats just seems tedious, not fun. I know EV Training isn't cheating because its a natural thing you can do in game, but isn't the point of the games to have fun, not to have super powerful Pokemon that'll dominate on WIFI? As for the "Uber" thing, if my opponent is talking like they have this ultimate team or really strong Pokemon, who are they to complain about me using the "Uber" that I worked so hard to catch and used many an Ultra Ball on? Again, I'm not knocking all the people who are super competitive, I just wanna know, why are you? Myself, I don't do all the competitive stuff. The Pokemon in my team are raised by way of Trainer Battles, wild Pokemon, and Rare Candies(if I have any). Sure they don't ALWAYS win on the WIFI circuit, but they do good, and I'm okay with that.

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Seen March 10th, 2013
Posted March 23rd, 2012
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People have always played Pokémon at varying levels of dedication.

It also may be surprising to hear that some people may have fun with egg move and nature breeding, while EV training can be done very quickly with the use of a few particular items and training areas, and they may also have fun battling against others in the same boat at the top rung of competitive scene.

Uber Pokémon are also a completely different level to Pokémon that have been EV trained and have a beneficial nature because not only do they take a generally lesser amount of work to obtain, they are still likely to outpower a great deal of trained Pokémon - a Mewtwo's minimum Sp. Atk stat is nearly as high as a the maximum (this includes EV training) Sp. Atk of a Gengar that doesn't have a beneficial nature, a Pokémon that also has a pretty impressive Sp Atk stat. Then there's the issue that their Base Stat totals as a whole are higher than other Pokémon.

tl;dr different people have fun playing poketmens different ways and i bet there's tons of people who play the same way you/someone else does.


ps if you want my opinion i just used pokesav to take the coolest pokemon i had caught and give them good moves and evs. also i've never bothered playing multiplayer
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Seen July 7th, 2014
Posted June 2nd, 2014
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12.5 Years
Well, I look at it this way.

Pokemmon is way more in depth than most people think.

Sure, the breeding and E.V training may seem boring at first.

I personally find it more fun now than when I first started.

And the feeling you get after you complete the daunting task is so great.

I haven't battled competively yet but I hope to soon.

I will say this though.

It makes me sad how a lot of my favorite Pokemon are NU and very bad (Thank god Tangrowth isn't )


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Seen November 10th, 2020
Posted November 10th, 2020
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I've never understood EV training myself, tedious is the exact same word I would use! I do admire the people who do try it out though, as it seems to take alot of dedication, but my team of normally trained pokemon seem to be holding their own on wi-fi so far, so if any 'EV trainers' want to compare and see if there is actually a differance I'd be happy to battle? :)
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Seen February 23rd, 2016
Posted February 23rd, 2016
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I'm not a competitive player, I prefer my challenge whoring. I've tried breeding and EVing and all that maybe 2 years ago, but it just bored the hell out of me and eventually the tedium broke my will to achieve anything in that direction.
So, as for my current play style, I will usually just care for not having an absolutely terrible nature on my Pokemon: modest Beedrill is not fun. Serious Beedrill I am ok with. Adamant Beedrill is nice to have, but I usually can't be bothered to wait that long. Screw EVs and IVs.
As for the ubers, I don't really care about them, and I'll take my Jumpluffs over Mewtwos, Lugias and whatever any day.
Seen May 16th, 2014
Posted October 16th, 2013
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ps if you want my opinion i just used pokesav to take the coolest pokemon i had caught and give them good moves and evs. also i've never bothered playing multiplayer
I guess you're right. I never considered there to be a fun aspect to EV training, breeding for genders, natures, and moves. I used Pokesav before too, lol. Its a wonderful program ^_^

I've tried breeding and EVing and all that maybe 2 years ago, but it just bored the hell out of me and eventually the tedium broke my will to achieve anything in that direction.
That's the same thing that happened to me. After I beat the core story of a Pokemon game I'll try and EV Train and stuff, but I just get to bored and quit at it. Lol.
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Posted October 16th, 2013
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I've tried breeding and EVing and all that maybe 2 years ago, but it just bored the hell out of me and eventually the tedium broke my will to achieve anything in that direction.
That's the same thing that happened to me. After I beat the core story of a Pokemon game I'll try and EV Train and stuff, but I just get to bored and quit at it. Lol.
Seen December 14th, 2010
Posted December 9th, 2010
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me, i barley even play b/ss anymore (don't have the time to), so im never concerend about ev training to be the perfect. all that matters to me is getting my favorite pokemon, get them the most suitable nature and ability, and moves. then battling online for the fun of it, too bad it's too hard to find anyone else who would battle the same way i do, everyone is almost into ev training and all that, so i will always be facing someone overpowered..
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I'm halfway in between on this. I'll breed for IV's and EV train, but I use the Pokemon that I prefer and not the ones that necessarily fit into a "tier." My logic is that I don't want to use Pokemon I don't like or aren't comfortable with using, but I do want to make the ones that I do use to be the best they can be.

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I have never really been the competitive pokemon player. Sure I like wi-fi battling and all, but usually in my games I'm just doing something that I think is fun. Sometimes fun is EV training (which I am still learning about), trying to complete my pokedex, or just doing simple things like pokemon contests. It varies depending on my mood at the time.

I can't really say why some people are so serious. Maybe they're not as serious as made out to be. Just love playing pokemon and they just happen to EV train and breed perfect pokemon just to keep the games interesting.
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I'm a competitive battler and Ev training, Breeding, IV Breeding can be fun, but sometimes it is just downright boring .____. Its one of those things you have to be in the mood for.

The people that are serious have no life just take battling to another leveling, a freaky kinda scary level but they enjoy it.









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I don't have time to create perfection for all my Pokemons. There are times when I do EV train my party, and I usually breed a Pokemon for a specific moveset. However, I will not waste my time and life on making my Pokemons invincible.

The IV breeding system is too confusing for me. It also takes forever to breed a Pokemon with perfect IV, nature, and the right moves. Most of the time, I can't keep track with how many EV points my Pokemons need and have already gained. There was this one time that I got a headache for trying to EV train my Togekiss, Arcanine, Absol, Lucario, and Butterfree.

However, I know many users and people out there that are proud of this. I would too if I know how to do this on a daily basis.
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Seen December 23rd, 2012
Posted February 7th, 2012
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Hah, to be honest, I don't even really know what EV's and IV's are...
Well, I think I understand EV training a bit, but IV's... no.
ANYWAYS about the competitive battling and such, I don't really care about that stuff.I think it IS kinda... "tedious" to continuously breed a Pokemon over and over to get a certain move or something...

The only thing I care about is the nature of a Pokemon, but not all that much. If I feel that the nature fits the Pokemon appearance wise, I'll keep it. But if its nature kinda messes up its stats a bit, then I might release it and catch another. :3
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Hah, to be honest, I don't even really know what EV's and IV's are...
Well, I think I understand EV training a bit, but IV's... no.
ANYWAYS about the competitive battling and such, I don't really care about that stuff.I think it IS kinda... "tedious" to continuously breed a Pokemon over and over to get a certain move or something...

The only thing I care about is the nature of a Pokemon, but not all that much. If I feel that the nature fits the Pokemon appearance wise, I'll keep it. But if its nature kinda messes up its stats a bit, then I might release it and catch another. :3
IVs.....god I haven't even found out what that is yet. :D
I pay more attention to nature, it's more important than EVs...and IVs (???). Though sometimes I end up spending like thirty minutes to an hour trying to get the "right" nature for my pokemon.
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Seen July 16th, 2011
Posted July 15th, 2011
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I have EV trained a total of three Pokemon, and that was because it was redoing my team, and I wanted to try it out. Otherwise, there is really only one thing that I care about and that's Natures. This is due to the fact that I'm not a competitive battler, so I don't care about the 'competitive aspect' of Pokemon as a whole.

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I'm no competitive battler by any means and I've only IV bred/EV trained two pokemon since 1998, but I'm not gonna discount those who are as taking the game too seriously. They play the game in the way they find the most fun and we should all do the same. XD

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Ever since I learned about EVs and IVs, I've been EV training and IV breeding (but not for perfect IVs; IVs of 20-31 are good for me). I even EV train my in-game teams. Despite all this, I only EV train/IV breed Pokemon I'm about to use in the Battle Tower/Frontier.

As for the concept, I think people are getting serious about this because they simply want to win.

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Seen April 10th, 2012
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There is a reason that the best of the best are in fact so good. Its because they are willing to go to the extreme lengths, to do whatever they have to, to succeed.
It wouldnt matter if it was pokemon or a real life sport or whatever, its in these sorts of people to do whatever necessary to be the best.

Personally, I do EV train and make sure I get a good nature for my pokemon. I will however, never breed for perfect IVs. I just won't. It's really the only part I find overly tedious and I will never be in the mood to do it.
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As for the concept, I think people are getting serious about this because they simply want to win.
I personally think the people willing to go through those lengths deserve to win.

I sometimes EV train, and I'll occasionally IV breed. I really only care about natures.

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I still don't have a clue what IV's are or how to get them but I think I wouldn't be bothered to get them, EV training is enough hard work as it is. But I do EV train (rarely that is) and I think that other people that EV train are people who are willing to place hours into their game to create something stronger. People say they are serious, but I think it's the love of Pokemon rather than the person being a serious battler.

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I'm an on-and-off competitive battler....but I use shoddybattle because it's easier as you don't have to breed and EV all your team-members.

However, I love egg moves....seriously, when I could train my newly-hatched Mudkip all by itself because nothing at its' level could stand an Earthquake, I was so happy! As I was when I found out that my new Salamence wouldn't have to hit lv.86 to learn Dragon Claw, as the father'd passed it down, so it could keep at lv.50 for Battle Frontier...

And do you not think it'd be cool (if pokémon were real, or your friends are quite new to pokémon) if you could send out your super-awesome Chimchar, your opponent goes "hah, I know how to beat you now! Go Piplup/water-type!), then you hit it with a Thunderpunch?

The idea that I can make my pokémon fit the ever-repeated philosophy in the games that they're all unique, and even Swellow can be beastly because its' mother went to the daycare with a Staraptor that knew Brave Bird....that's what's so fun about that.


I do find EV training slightly tedious, but I love it when they gain +8 in a stat when they level up....and I will do it because most serious battlers value an EV'd Charizard over a random Palkia.