Feedback, Questions, and Suggestions Thread Page 2

Started by alisaie November 27th, 2010 8:29 PM
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alisaie

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The forth sticky or the fifth sticky? I was actually contemplating doing something like that, but with the amount of stickies we have already, and the wanting of rotating games/WOFZ.... xD;

I'll probably do that for Pokemon Trivia though.

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I second Don's idea. /partially because mine have been rejected

And just to make sure, this thread is not an exception to the revival rule, correct?

Ah, and one more thing on getting WOFZ stickied: We have WOFG in PT stickied, so why not have WOFZ stickied? It's kind of unfair if the child is stickied while the parent isn't. I know there aren't many PT threads that CAN be stickied, but I'm just saying...
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Elaborating on the thread index idea, I think the stickies should be as such:

Rules
Suggestions
Thread Index
Spotlighted Game Sticky Thread A (one-month duration or for the PPC if you do not wish to have five stickies in months where the PPC occurs)
-optional- Sticky Thread B (for the PPC or for a second spotlighted sticky thread also of one month duration)

This appeals to those who are complaining about two of the four most active threads in OT currently having sticky status, while two that are arguably more active (but not quite there) are not stickied.

My suggested conditions for being eligible to be a spotlighted thread:
  • 250 posts in the month since the last sticky change (feel free to change the amount of posts, I just put out an arbitrary number that seemed inclusive while also limiting the eligibility to less than 10 threads).
  • Must not have been a sticky thread in the last 6 months (could be changed to 3 if there is more than one spot for spotlighted threads in the stickies).
  • Must be the most active in the last month of the threads that meet the above criteria.
  • Must not go a week without posts while it is a sticky.

Just tossing out some ideas.
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I like rules like Donny there is outlining. That actually sounds fair. Especially since the rules there are crafted so that no single thread can monopolize sticky status, and it takes into respect the concern the mods have about 'Sticky hell'.

Personally I'd say 7 stickies should be the theoretical maximum for a 30 threads per page display, 5 is fine as well...but 7 is the best if you really need to put other threads out there, like short term announcements or come and go threads like the PPC. :<

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I like the outline myself. This will mean that both TCTI and DLTMSA will be unstickied though, so I'll have to speak to Netto and see what he thinks of the idea himself. Since DLTMSA is younger, if we have to take at least one of them down, it will probably be that one. TCTI, on the other hand, is on it's seventh run, still strong, and seems to get the most cumulative posts.

1. Rules
2. Suggestions
3. Index
4. 'Game of the Month' or something along the lines (this will be replaced with the PPC every now and then, since it's the only competition thing we have here in OT, and thus should be stickied when it comes time to have it hosted.)
5 (depends on Netto's opinion, so this may or may not happen). TCTI,

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You're contradicting yourself, Tara. After all, doesn't it make more sense for the YOUNGER thread to be stickied while the OLDER one gets unstickied? And you further contradict yourself by saying TCTI is "still strong, and seems to get the most cumulative posts", which would mean even if unstickied, it would probably still be this way. If DLTMSA got unstickied, then it would probably lose activity just like WOFZ has.

And while supporting Don's idea, there is one downside: Some people might keep getting confused if threads keep getting stickied and unstickied. If something's stickied for a long enough time and then gets unstickied, people will have to get used to it being unstickied.

You also still haven't answered my earlier question about this thread not being an exception from the revival thread rule.
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alisaie

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Thus why it will probably be called 'Game of the month' or something along the lines. So people know that's why it's stickied. There won't be any emblem or anything though, since some of the games' creators have left, and some of them are 'new versions'.

Ask Netto. He's the one who got the idea of this thread.

.. I'm just going to leave the rest of the matter of the threads to Netto. Because this is turning to be a bit of a matter of opinion. Personally, I think it makes more sense for the older one to be stickied, because it has established itself for much longer. Much longer.

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But if the older one is more established, then that's the perfect time to give a newer one a chance to become established. It's kind of like a certain aspect of life: If you have, say, a man running a company, there'll come a time where he'll need to pass it on to his son or daughter. Here, TCTI is the man, and DLTMSA is the child.

Honestly, though, I'm actually on the verge of saying that I'd just rather have everything still be the same. Even though I supported WOFZ's getting stickied, if there's this much controversy and whatnot, I'm pretty much at the "I don't give a damn if it gets stickied or not anymore" state.
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alisaie

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I'm fine with keeping everything the way it is, and adding an index. This means no rotating threads, and... that would be easier on me and Netto. Though it would be six stickies during PPC, but... I can deal with that. PPC is important and brings people who usually don't pop into OT.

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I'm fine with keeping everything the way it is, and adding an index. This means no rotating threads, and... that would be easier on me and Netto. Though it would be six stickies during PPC, but... I can deal with that. PPC is important and brings people who usually don't pop into OT.
Just saying that I agree with this XD Much less confusing IMO.

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I'm going with the Index idea. To be frank this suggestions thread I hoped was going to give ideas make our jobs a bit easier? xP

Anyways, maintain things as they are I guess...and Sticky WOFZ just to remind people that these are the Counting threads here. 3 is more than enough IMO (Although I admit, each has a diff "personality" so to speak)

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I say just keep EVERYTHING THE SAME FREAKING WAY IT WAS AND IT'LL ALL BE GOOD. THAT WAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE ARGUING AND IDIOTS WON'T HAVE TO KEEP CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES.

How about that?

/just can't take it anymore; people are so childish >_>
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Suggestion: Get rid of the all of excess "social" threads. I'm serious.

The mods don't say anything and honestly lost its purpose since [and long before] Forever and BinaryPeaches became moderators.
There is no Nightclubbing in the Nightclub.
Watch out for Zombies is just Don't Let the Mods Say Anything with a different name. Seriously, I could open them both up right now and not notice the difference until I read the thread names.

Ever since DLTMSA showed up, OT "social threads" have split OT up into distinct factions under the guise of "regulars". As such, "regulars" of one thread may find "regulars" of another thread to be "intimidating". Additionally, the subject matter of those threads tends to be more specialized towards that group of "regulars", keeping those who are not in the loop of that thread, out of it (Ever wonder why your social thread never has any new regulars?) Cut the excess social threads, cut the factions. Just leave TCTI. That way, the concept of a social thread without +1 can stay while only having the faction of "those who post in Other Trivia". Plus it has had a precedence as being that thread for the longest time. If you REALLY want to stay in your super little special club, just make a social group or something.
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There is no Nightclubbing in the Nightclub.
Might want to check the current situation before saying anything more about that, sir. New rules that are actually being enforced are in play.
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Touche.

My point still stands on WOFZ and DLTMSA being excessive and unnecessary. Take away the thread titles from the these two and TCTI and it'd be hard to tell the difference other than who the posters are (is this still even true anymore? What with all the cross-posting). As I said, they rarely serve their thread's purpose compared to TCTI which is always relevant to its purpose. They may be "exceptions" to the social thread rule, but, in my view, it's a bias for the moderators' own self-gratification, not because of some extraordinary trait they have that warrants their own thread.

Also, feedback: These new titles are the most inane things I have seen come out of this place. In fact, out of all the currently stickied threads, this is the only one that doesn't make me lose faith in this place. Whatever happened to titles that were relevant and sensible? I mean really "Follow them or the Navi will..."? Way to keep a professional tone, mods.

While we're on the topic of the rules, why the CSS?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Other than for the purpose of "look I can has CSS hurr durr", the CSS presented here is meaningless. Instead of focusing on "OOH THIS LOOKS SO PRETTY", maybe show some professionalism and tone down the CSS to a minimum. Here, I'll address my points on why this CSS is excessive. Center align is a pain to read. Why center align of all things? The background picture and text color are excessive. Do we really need to "enhance" the way people read the rules with "colorful text" and "pretty pictures"? Then there's the scrollbar. Now this is just showing off. There's already a scroll bar on the side of the screen. Why put another? Honestly, the most readable parts of these new rules were those used inside the quote box. Look at the rules sections of most every other forum. Minimal CSS used for enhancing headers, no scrollbar, all right aligned, and default fonts. Just use a list of text explaining what the rules are and why they're there. Instead of being the overly complex read it is now, it'd be a simple objective list of what and what not to do. Either that or explain to me why the CSS is so completely necessary and warranted.
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alisaie

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How do I begin....

Us mods aren't the only people who don't mind keeping/want to keep the other two "social threads" around. Don't single us out.

I have nothing to really say about the title, but if enough people suggest for us to change them back to their original form, then we will.

Now, for the CSS of the rules:
1. A member suggested that CSS would make the rules more appealing (if you think that this member was my pair, then no, guess again). So, by suggestion of a member, we have done so. We've had only one complaint, and needless to say that it was yours. If we get more complaints on the look of the CSS, then we will change it accordingly.
2. While we're on the subject of the look, the font color and face was due to the fact that Netto Posted it. If I had posted it, it would have been in my font, because I did not apply any font CSS.
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Is that your reasoning for keeping them? "Oh, other people want these around, so I'll just make an exception". I've said it previously and I shall repeat myself once more: They are the exact same thread with different titles. Sure they were fun when they were actual games, but now they're just "social threads". You don't see 3 DCC threads in Other Chat, or 3 J-E Discussion threads in Japanese Entertainment. All three of these threads follow the same premise of "Stay on topic and post a number". It's all the same thread. Think about it. Consider it. Don't just dismiss this as "jigglyppuff8 is hating on us again".

Only if others complain? Of course nobody will complain about trivial things like titles unless they're "bored" or rules they don't even read. Keep it classy 2010 mods of OT.

Regardless of who suggested it, this CSS is still tacky, gaudy, and excessive for something as simplistic as a rule thread. Too bad everyone who does read them will be too busy going "OOH LOOK TEH THREAD HAS TEH CSS AWSUM!" to care.
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Just give it a rest, Kevin.

TCTI is for the more mature plus Nica, DLTMSA is for the somewhat mature, and WOFZ is DLTMSA except with non-Mod zeroers, so I'll give you that.

Am I allowed to say as feedback that this thread was a bad idea?
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I will have to respectfully decline. This thread has given me a reason to voice my complaints about this place and that is what I shall do. Thankfully, TheSmartOne has been addressing my main problem with this place as of late without me having to go into detail at all (hopefully it will stay that way).

Additionally, thank you for proving my point on the factions that the different social threads have created. Are you saying that it's OK to have these seperate social threads so there can be a bias based on "maturity"? A hierarchical system where the newbs start out in the "less mature" threads and have to earn their way into the "mature" threads?
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Now I don't want to come across as idk ...asdjashkjasdh

But I am kinda agreeing with Kevin on this one

I know alot of you guys are reallllyyy attached to those threads. And I understand that feeling too. but I don't know. it is kinda true that DLTMSA kinda is losing that magic it once had. since like half of our regulars are mods, constant zeros and all. ya know? I don't know much about WOFZ, since I don't frequent there as much, but its essentially the same thing as DLTMSA. except members can zero. and then TCTI is basically just what happens when there are no zeroes o3o;;

Is it really necessary to have 3 threads that are essentially the same thing? chatting and numbers. now I don't know everyone 'round these parts, but as far as I know, a lot of us post in all three threads anyways lololol

Ya know I really really don't like this whole separation attitude, where one thread is for the nooblets, the other is for the cool-cats and the other other is for the classy and sophisticated. :C

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I hate to say it, but I kinda agree with jiggles and ReyRey. WOFZ and DLTMSA are too much alike and I really see no point in them, other than let people restart the count.

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