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Old December 9th, 2004 (7:51 PM).
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Espeon (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Dark]
- Psychic

Omg Espy rocks so stfu. :P

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes

Aero counter and um yeah. ^^

Venusaur (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 6 SAtk / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute

Suicune counter and stuff.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb

Raikou/Maggy counter and finisher.

Arcanine (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spd / 128 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Extremespeed
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Howl

AntiSkarmBliss and stuff.

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- Surf
- Wish

Anti Sala/TTar and yeah.

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Old December 9th, 2004 (7:57 PM).
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Espeon (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Dark]
- Psychic

Omg Espy rocks so stfu. :P

espeon is so outclassed by umbreon

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes

Aero counter and um yeah. ^^

u might want some sp def evs

Venusaur (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 6 SAtk / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute

Suicune counter and stuff.

dude, my venusaur should go on a date w/ your venusaur =O

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb

Raikou/Maggy counter and finisher.

standard

Arcanine (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spd / 128 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Extremespeed
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Howl

AntiSkarmBliss and stuff.

have lonely nature cuz of intimidate

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- Surf
- Wish

Anti Sala/TTar and yeah.

anything w/ surf + beam ( all water pokes) are anti sala and t tar so what r u talking about? >.>

-HT
no p/hazer... no wonder u complain so much about stat boosters =\
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Old December 9th, 2004 (7:57 PM).
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Espeon: GARDEVOIR OWNS YOU EspyJump, nice.

Forretress: COUNTER WTF DAI good.

Venusaur: I STILL say Sludge Bomb > HP Grass but other than that good.

DugTRIOx3: Secks in a three can package. Looking good.

Arcanine: Ampharos > this, but still good. Just watch out for Milotic ;_;

Vaporeon: Needs more PURPLE HAZE (tomorrow, or just the end of time?) I don't really like Wish too much.
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Old December 9th, 2004 (7:58 PM).
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no p/hazer... no wonder u complain so much about stat boosters =\
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Old December 9th, 2004 (7:59 PM).
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if you have roar on vaporeon, y do u still complain so much about stat boosters? >.>
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Old December 9th, 2004 (8:02 PM). Edited December 9th, 2004 by HoundoomTrainer.
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if you have roar on vaporeon, y do u still complain so much about stat boosters? >.>
o.O I don't... o.O;;

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Old December 10th, 2004 (1:13 PM).
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sup Specter. Didnt expect to see you here. :x
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Old December 10th, 2004 (1:39 PM).
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Arcanine is gonna get pwned by CounterBliss... +1 Arcanine and HP Fight will not KO it, so you may want to put a Lum Berry to atleast get to +2 and beat its brains out. Your Vaporeon looks kinda wierd, but if it works thats good.
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Old December 11th, 2004 (3:38 PM).
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Espeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Substitute

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes

Venusaur (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 6 SAtk / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb

Arcanine (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spd / 128 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Extremespeed
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Howl

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish

Updated. Also I have problems with:
Tauntadros
Ludicolo
Dusclops
Gengar

Any help would be appreciated and you'll win my respect. :)

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Old December 11th, 2004 (3:42 PM).
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Updated. Also I have problems with:
Tauntadros

hp electric on vaporeon =\, meh only other option is booming it w/ forretress

Ludicolo

espeon has sub >.> keep cming =\; or sludge bomb on venusaur... mine does 57% or something like that

Dusclops

again, espeon =\

Gengar

is espeon like invisible to you?
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Old December 11th, 2004 (5:22 PM).
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Weird Venusaur.

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EVs:128 HP, 252 Attack, 130 Speed
Earthquake
Sludge Bomb
Leech Seed
Sleep Power

Put thier Pokemon to sleep, and then Leech Seed them, then sweep with Earthquake and Sludge Bomb, haven't really tried it out but it could work.
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da vaporean needs a bit work HT.
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nature:jolly
attacks:
ice beam
double team
toxic
wish,haze,HP-electric

with jolly nature + with double team u will be untouchable when u start using it on the first 2-4 turns.the main point off a vaporeon is a annnoyer.
a name suggestion for your team would be:sweep bomb.
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Old December 11th, 2004 (8:52 PM).
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da vaporean needs a bit work HT.
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nature:jolly
attacks:
ice beam
double team
toxic
wish,haze,HP-electric

with jolly nature + with double team u will be untouchable when u start using it on the first 2-4 turns.the main point off a vaporeon is a annnoyer.
a name suggestion for your team would be:sweep bomb.
...

Jolly is -Special Attack and +Speed. Bad nature. It reduces its Special Attack and ups its bad speed... which isn't necessary.

Double Team is luck. All luck. Nothing but luck.

No Surf, I don't use Toxic, and having Wish as a choice between two others is a bad move.

Also, Annoyers NEVER work.

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Old December 12th, 2004 (6:04 AM).
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they just annoy, sadly. Although an annoyer that phazes and you have no heal beller = bad. =X

A stantler got me like that one time. Half of my team para but then I heal Belled. [NOT from one of those fugly bliss things. I used granbull ;D]
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Weird Venusaur.

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Nature:Jolly/Adamant
EVs:128 HP, 252 Attack, 130 Speed
Earthquake
Sludge Bomb
Leech Seed
Sleep Power

Put thier Pokemon to sleep, and then Leech Seed them, then sweep with Earthquake and Sludge Bomb, haven't really tried it out but it could work.
More like a non working Venasaur, all they have to do is make one of there Pokemon fall to sleep and then something with Counter owns you =(.
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da vaporean needs a bit work HT.
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nature:jolly
attacks:
ice beam
double team
toxic
wish,haze,HP-electric

double team gets destroyed by pphazers
bad tactic
surf is a must on vappy
leftovers > shellbell
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Old December 12th, 2004 (9:09 PM).
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Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb
How often do you use Sludge Bomb? Because when I used Duggy I rarely ever used Sludge Bomb and kept running into Hera so I interchanged it for AA. Does pretty nice vs Hera and Breloom and it's not like you'd use SB much *only a handful of OU Pokemon are even weak to it*
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Yeah. And that handful who are (plant type) are weak to AA too. So my duggy has AA...
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Old December 12th, 2004 (9:23 PM). Edited December 12th, 2004 by Onimusha.
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Yeah. And that handful who are (plant type) are weak to AA too. So my duggy has AA...
HP Bug covers them (AA is only for the 2 OU's who are 4x weak to it)

Considering I'm more newbie than HT I probs shouldn't be bothering but 'Meh' bored:

Espeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Substitute

Looks good, though I'm not a fan of only One offensive move ><, especially since not many pokes on your team will capitalise on CM's SA boost.

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes

244 HP EVs is better for lefties, put spare EV's in att (I guess) or Speed :S

Venusaur (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 6 SAtk / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute

Again, EV's with the lefties. 204 > 252, other EV's to wherever neccesery

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb

Already mentioned, AA > SB IMO

Arcanine (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spd / 128 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Extremespeed
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Howl

No experience with this set, but again, my suggestion for HP is 60 HP EVs for Lefovers (you can probs take them out of Att or SAtt)

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish

Meh, looks fine
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Espeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Substitute
It woldn't be named after Jump if it had problems.

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes
standard maybeh eq over counter but meh

Venusaur (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 6 SAtk / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute
I wonder why giga drain isnt there over hp grass. who knows. I'm fairly sure that vena cant sub seed. :x but whatever it can work

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb
standard. and OU at that :x

Arcanine (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spd / 128 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Extremespeed
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Howl
<3 arcy. I have no idea if Howl is worth it but sure go for it HeatWave >FT We can go into a huge debate about this but I dont feel like it.

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish
put reflect over wish. I just like it that way test it both ways but reflect comes in handy

Updated. Also I have problems with:
Tauntadros
Ludicolo
Dusclops
Gengar

Any help would be appreciated and you'll win my respect. :)
trying to bribe us now :p

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Espeon (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Dark]
- Psychic

Omg Espy rocks so stfu. :P

Works Well, passes only to vappy i assume?

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes

Aero counter and um yeah. ^^

Fine

Venusaur (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 6 SAtk / 148 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Substitute

Suicune counter and stuff.

Sludge bomb>HP grass against CM suicune. Also good against other stuff. w/e. Dies against itself.

Dugtrio (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Rock Slide
- Sludge Bomb

Raikou/Maggy counter and finisher.

Yeh, fine

Arcanine (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Spd / 128 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Extremespeed
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Howl

AntiSkarmBliss and stuff.

...Done...

Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Haze
- Surf
- Wish

Anti Sala/TTar and yeah.

-HT
Its fine, just lacks all something...I dunno.

gengar-psychic

Dusclops-HP dark

Tauntdros-maybe Rock slide dugtrio....

Ludicolo-Hi Sludge bombing dugtrio/Venasaur!
 

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