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Old December 9th, 2004 (8:00 PM).
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Now my speed team. Basically, I will only use monsters who's Speed is over 300 and who can do some decent damage.

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Pressure
Jolly
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
-Sub
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Aerial Ace

Sup. Standard pretty much. Maybe Choice Band Aero with HP:Bug/Ghost?

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Overgrow
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
-Sub
-Crunch
-HP:Water
-Leaf Blade

Hagile. Oh, so lovely, with Petaya+Overgrow+Leaf Blade+Increased CH %+STAB+308 Special Attack=GTFO nubs

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Volt Absorb
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
-Sub
-Hidden Power:Ice
-Thunderbolt
-Toxic/Thunder Wave

Standard.

[email protected]/Salac Berry, Male
Immunity
Jolly
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Return
-Quick Attack
-Shadowball

If Salac kicks in with 1 SD, my opponent better have Skarm, Rhydon, or a box of tissues, cuz this feller will make him cry =[

[email protected] Band, Male
Arena Trap
Jolly
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power: Ghost
-Rock Slide
-Aerial Ace

Stops them from switching, duh.

And my last mon, I'm having trouble deciding. I needed something to hax Skarm-Bliss, so I had...

[email protected]/Liechi/Leftovers, Male
Intimidate
Timid
164 Attack, 148 Speed, 196 Special Attack
-Dragon Dance
-Brick Break
-Fire Blast
-Rock Slide

While it did handle Skarm-Bliss, it didn't survive Ice attacks, and I already had 2 monsters with Ice weak, so I decided to try...

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Oblivious
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
-Fake Tears
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Lovely Kiss

LK stops Skarm, Fake Tears is somewhat of Pseudo-Pseudo-Haze, since unless they can kill her the next turn, the Special Defense drop+a STABed attack will probably kill them. Blissey gets eaten alive, LK her, Fake Tears (goodbye Special Wall) and Psychic her to death (and I hopefully get a few more Special Defense drops from that as well. Houndoom rapes Jynx, but Aero eats Houndoom, so booya ;0

Basically, this team hits hard and fast. It can't take hits, so don't tell me which I already know. Its for fun, and it works so long as my opponent doesn't have wave after wave of tanks/walls =\

Anyway, remember, nothing with less than 300 Speed (after including the Natures and EVs). I've always thought about Alakazam, Espeon, and Swellow, so maybe suggest something for them over something I have already. KTHNXBAI
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Old December 9th, 2004 (8:01 PM).
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ahhh speed team...


only thing better is a double team team....
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Espeon>Jynx

Espeon (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Spd / 138 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Dark]/[Water]/[Fire]/Substitute
- Psychic

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Old December 9th, 2004 (8:22 PM).
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Gardevoir > Jynx

Gardevoir (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Trace
EVs: 172 HP / 142 Def / 181 SAtk / 15 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

Vagabond Aeon out...
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Old December 9th, 2004 (8:24 PM).
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Gardevoir isn't fast. He wants a "speed team".
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Old December 9th, 2004 (8:29 PM).
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Gardevoir isn't fast. He wants a "speed team".
OMG, I love people who read ;0



Anyway, here's proof that Speed>All =]

Battle Log:
Battle Mode: Ruby/Sapphire
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Apply PP Ups
Rule: Battle Timeout
sExploud vs ItsGrrrrround. Begin!
sExploud sent out Aerodactyl (Lv.100 Aerodactyl)!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Flygon (Lv.100 Flygon)!

Begin Turn #1
Aerodactyl used Aerial Ace!
(36% damage)
---------------------------------
Flygon used Dragon Claw!
(145 damage)
---------------------------------
Aerodactyl's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Flygon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #1
sExploud's Aerodactyl: 175 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Flygon: 70% HP

Begin Turn #2
sExploud withdrew Aerodactyl!
sExploud sent out Jynx (Lv.100 Jynx)!
---------------------------------
Flygon used Dragon Claw!
(123 damage)
---------------------------------
Flygon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #2
sExploud's Jynx: 149 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Flygon: 76% HP

Begin Turn #3
Jynx used Lovely Kiss!
Flygon fell asleep!
---------------------------------
Flygon is fast asleep.
---------------------------------
Flygon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #3
sExploud's Jynx: 149 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Flygon: 82% HP (Slp)

Begin Turn #4
ItsGrrrrround withdrew Flygon!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Quagsire (Lv.100 Quagsire)!
---------------------------------
Jynx used Fake Tears!
Quagsire's Special Defense sharply fell!
---------------------------------
End of turn #4
sExploud's Jynx: 149 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Quagsire: 100% HP

Begin Turn #5
Jynx used Ice Beam!
(100% damage)
Quagsire fainted!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Swampert (Lv.100 Swampert)!
---------------------------------
End of turn #5
sExploud's Jynx: 149 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Swampert: 100% HP

Begin Turn #6
sExploud withdrew Jynx!
sExploud sent out Sceptile (Lv.100 Sceptile)!
---------------------------------
Swampert used Earthquake!
(117 damage)
It's not very effective...
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #6
sExploud's Sceptile: 182 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Swampert: 100% HP

Begin Turn #7
ItsGrrrrround withdrew Swampert!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Flygon (Lv.100 Flygon)!
---------------------------------
Sceptile used Substitute!
Sceptile made a Substitute!
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Flygon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #7
sExploud's Sceptile: 129 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Flygon: 88% HP (Slp)

Begin Turn #8
Sceptile used Crunch!
(30% damage)
Flygon's Special Defense fell!
---------------------------------
Flygon woke up!
Flygon used Fire Blast!
The Substitute took damage for Sceptile!
Sceptile's Substitute faded!
It's super effective!
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Flygon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #8
sExploud's Sceptile: 146 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Flygon: 64% HP

Begin Turn #9
Sceptile used Leaf Blade!
(64% damage)
A critical hit!
Flygon fainted!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Camerupt (Lv.100 Camerupt)!
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #9
sExploud's Sceptile: 163 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Camerupt: 100% HP

Begin Turn #10
Sceptile used Hidden Power!
(100% damage)
It's super effective!
Camerupt fainted!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Steelix (Lv.100 Steelix)!
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #10
sExploud's Sceptile: 180 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Steelix: 100% HP

Begin Turn #11
Sceptile used Hidden Power!
(48% damage)
It's super effective!
---------------------------------
Steelix used Earthquake!
(76 damage)
It's not very effective...
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Steelix's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #11
sExploud's Sceptile: 121 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Steelix: 58% HP

Begin Turn #12
Sceptile used Hidden Power!
(59% damage)
A critical hit!
It's super effective!
Steelix fainted!
ItsGrrrrround: ...
ItsGrrrrround sent out Swampert (Lv.100 Swampert)!
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #12
sExploud's Sceptile: 138 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Swampert: 100% HP

Begin Turn #13
Sceptile used Leaf Blade!
(100% damage)
It's super effective!
Swampert fainted!
ItsGrrrrround sent out Rhydon (Lv.100 Rhydon)!
---------------------------------
Sceptile's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #13
sExploud's Sceptile: 155 HP
ItsGrrrrround's Rhydon: 100% HP
sExploud: gg

Begin Turn #14
Sceptile used Leaf Blade!
(100% damage)
It's super effective!
Rhydon fainted!

End Battle! sExploud wins!
Score: 6 to 0

NetBattle v0.9.3
Log saved 12/9/04 at 11:19:29 PM


Quick battle. Jynx rips buttholes with Fake Tears. =] Anyway, enjoy the speed, liek wut ;-)
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Old December 9th, 2004 (10:45 PM).
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Now my speed team. Basically, I will only use monsters who's Speed is over 300 and who can do some decent damage.

[email protected], Male
Pressure
Jolly
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
-Sub
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Aerial Ace

Sup. Standard pretty much. Maybe Choice Band Aero with HP:Bug/Ghost?

if its cb, de > sub w/ rock head nature... either way have hp flying > aa

[email protected], Female
Overgrow
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
-Sub
-Crunch
-HP:Water
-Leaf Blade

Hagile. Oh, so lovely, with Petaya+Overgrow+Leaf Blade+Increased CH %+STAB+308 Special Attack=GTFO nubs

hp fire/ice > hp water... have dragon claw > crunch

[email protected], Female
Volt Absorb
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
-Sub
-Hidden Power:Ice
-Thunderbolt
-Toxic/Thunder Wave

Standard.

stick w/ t wave

[email protected]/Salac Berry, Male
Immunity
Jolly
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Return
-Quick Attack
-Shadowball

If Salac kicks in with 1 SD, my opponent better have Skarm, Rhydon, or a box of tissues, cuz this feller will make him cry =[

option of substitute... stick w/ salac

[email protected] Band, Male
Arena Trap
Jolly
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power: Ghost
-Rock Slide
-Aerial Ace

Stops them from switching, duh.

And my last mon, I'm having trouble deciding. I needed something to hax Skarm-Bliss, so I had...

looks good

[email protected]/Liechi/Leftovers, Male
Intimidate
Timid
164 Attack, 148 Speed, 196 Special Attack
-Dragon Dance
-Brick Break
-Fire Blast
-Rock Slide

While it did handle Skarm-Bliss, it didn't survive Ice attacks, and I already had 2 monsters with Ice weak, so I decided to try...

hp flying/aerial ace > brick break... earthquake > rock slide; you dont need any sp attack evs as you still 2ko skarm.. 252 attack w/ adamant nature

[email protected]
Oblivious
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
-Fake Tears
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Lovely Kiss

LK stops Skarm, Fake Tears is somewhat of Pseudo-Pseudo-Haze, since unless they can kill her the next turn, the Special Defense drop+a STABed attack will probably kill them. Blissey gets eaten alive, LK her, Fake Tears (goodbye Special Wall) and Psychic her to death (and I hopefully get a few more Special Defense drops from that as well. Houndoom rapes Jynx, but Aero eats Houndoom, so booya ;0

kazam > jynx

Basically, this team hits hard and fast. It can't take hits, so don't tell me which I already know. Its for fun, and it works so long as my opponent doesn't have wave after wave of tanks/walls =\

Anyway, remember, nothing with less than 300 Speed (after including the Natures and EVs). I've always thought about Alakazam, Espeon, and Swellow, so maybe suggest something for them over something I have already. KTHNXBAI
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Old December 10th, 2004 (7:16 AM).
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I have to say that Sceptile needs a little improving:

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EV: 252 Speed, 252 Sp Att, 6 Sp Def
Nature: + Speed/- Att
Crunch
Dragon Claw
Leaf Blade
HP Fire

I use the above setup myself for sweeping with Sceptile. Don't worry about incoming Ice Beams, he can survive a non-STAB version, giving him the power boost from Overgrow + Petaya. HP Fire works well since a lot of people like to put Steel types in Sceptile's path (especially Forrestress and Scizor, who are just asking for a 4 x strength attack for a free OHKO). Can even be a major threat to Metagross and low-health Skarmory (anything less than 30%, otherwise he just Drill Pecks you to death).
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Old December 10th, 2004 (7:22 AM).
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I agree with HP Fire Sceptile <3

Isn't Earthquake useful on Sceptile?
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No, Earthquake is not useful for Sceptile, given it's a special sweeper and Earthquake is a physical attack.
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Old December 10th, 2004 (1:10 PM).
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No, Earthquake is not useful for Sceptile, given it's a special sweeper and Earthquake is a physical attack.
Agreed, the only physical attack Sceptile should ever use in any sort of battle would most likely end up as HP Rock, since its super effective against all of its known weaknesses. But I still don't think Sp. Sweep Sceptile is a good thing, because then it all depends on who lands that first attack and who gets hit.
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Old December 10th, 2004 (1:31 PM).
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First of all. Swellow pwns us all. So please allow me to give thy a ms for him. Not too great with him so gtfo my back if I screw up. =]

Swellow (M) @ Liechi Berry
Trait: Guts
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Protect
- Substitute
- Steel Wing
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Old December 10th, 2004 (1:50 PM).
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You know... Another Aerodactyl alone will own your whole team if it shows up... Your only hope would be if your Aerodactyl or Jolteon came out before (thats how the simulator works) and attacked.
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lol cluase aero. =]

You could just kill it with something. Aero's dont come around that much anymore for me.
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I'd rather have Facade on Swellow somewhere, and let him intercept incoming Toxic attacks.
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I like a different Salamence.

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Nature:+Attack.-def
EVs:252Attack,252 Speed, 6 Sp. attack
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Overheat/Fire Blast/Flamethrower

You can use any of the three fire attacks for anti Skarm.
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maybe white herb for overheat... and i htink return is bette rthan facade. i mean if u get will-o-wisped then the 2x boost is canceled out, if u get paralysed u only have 50% chance, so u have to get poisoned and then eventually that will kill u. and if u r getting poisoned w/ toxic, id rather have endeavor when u r low. but then again its up to u... maybe consider dodrio b/c it has higher attack
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White herb is not worth the one use thing of keeping overheat at full power. when salac is infinitely more useful on sala imho.
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I like a different Salamence.

[email protected] Berry
Nature:+Attack.-def
EVs:252Attack,252 Speed, 6 Sp. attack
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Overheat/Fire Blast/Flamethrower

You can use any of the three fire attacks for anti Skarm.
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Actually, Fire Blast would be a stupid move because either FB or FT takes two hits to down a Skarmory. Use FT. OH is too risky, because you'll be DDing and don't wanna risk the stat loss and have to switch out to restore it and lose the DD. And I'd do Lum over Liechi in case of WoW and Sleep.

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i'd personally use FB coz most good ppl wont give you a second chance at an Flamethrower
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Actually, Fire Blast would be a stupid move because either FB or FT takes two hits to down a Skarmory. Use FT. OH is too risky, because you'll be DDing and don't wanna risk the stat loss and have to switch out to restore it and lose the DD. And I'd do Lum over Liechi in case of WoW and Sleep.

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Dragon Dance rasies attack and Overheat lowers Sp. attack, so you won't have to worry about Overheat lowering you attack because it doesn't.

That's why I said you could use any of those fire moves.
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Old December 11th, 2004 (11:37 AM).
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Dragon Dance rasies attack and Overheat lowers Sp. attack, so you won't have to worry about Overheat lowering you attack because it doesn't.

That's why I said you could use any of those fire moves.
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I meant it would lower your already low Sp. Attack. :\

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Has anyone else noticed Salamence can't learn Overheat? Anyways, the type of Salamence I use doesn't need to be out first and most often I don't need to even use it. Its attack is pretty close to max, and its speed is just enough to get to 396. Thats enough to outrun speedy Pokemon, all but Deoxys-F, Electrode and Ninjask. Lum berry is there for status attackers.

Salamence @ Lum
+Atk -Sp.Def
Atk 404 Sd 264 SpA 290
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
HP Rock (I go for accuracy here, but you can use Rockslide.)
Flamethrower (Again, I go for accuracy, but you can use Fire Blast here.)
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Salamence @ Lum
+Atk -Sp.Def
Atk 404 Sd 264 SpA 290
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
HP Rock (I go for accuracy here, but you can use Rockslide.)
Flamethrower (Again, I go for accuracy, but you can use Fire Blast here.)
hp flying > hp rock and go w/ lonely nature as intimidate will make it up
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i'd personally use FB coz most good ppl wont give you a second chance at an Flamethrower
sup andii. About time you started posting. =[

Anyways. I say go FB on Sala with some special attack evs. I'll dig mine up in a few moments.
 

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