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Old December 13th, 2004 (8:39 AM). Edited December 13th, 2004 by Porygon.
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Ya, I need help with my NetBattle team. I know it's not worth a hill of beans [and I'm sure some of you have trounced me already...], so I'm looking for some advice to make it a winning team [I KNEW I shouldn't have made an Electroburn-themed team…]. My Team Power is at 63%

Jolteon [m]
@Miracle Seed
EVs: HP: 176 Def: 154 Speed: 17 Sp.Atk: 163
Bold nature
Volt Absorb
Bite
Hidden Power [grass]
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt

Jolteon is my Elec sweeper. HP is for those irritating Ground- and Rock-types [it usually does good damage before PinZap is Quaked…]

Charizard [m]
@ King's Rock
EVs: HP: 74 Attk: 80 Def: 54 Speed: 145 Sp.Atk: 104 Sp.Def: 53
Naughty nature
Blaze
Aerial Ace
Aincientpower
HeatWave
Substitute

BlackDragn is my Fire sweeper. Aincientpower is a surprise tech, and I used HeatWave instead of Flamethrower because… well, because it's different.

Magneton
@Miracle Seed
EVs: HP: 236 Def: 142 Sp. Def: 132
Calm nature
Sturdy
Double Team
Reflect
Hidden Power [grass]
Spark

MagnetMan is my Elec Wall. Double Team and Reflect are obvious… HP is, again, for Rock- and Ground- types. Spark, I believe, has a higher paralyze rate, and that's why it's in there.

Torkoal [m]
@ Focus Band
EVs: HP: 111 Def: 152 Sp.Atk: 92 Sp.Def: 155
Sassy nature
White Smoke
Amnesia
Iron Defense
Flamethrower
Rock Slide

Smokey is my Firewall. If he lasts long enough, he proves to be quite tough to beat. Rock Slide is there because of an unfortunate battle with a Flash Fire-equipped Pokémon.

Dragonite [m]
@ Salac Berry
EVs: HP: 78 Attk: 154 Speed: 40 Sp.Atk: 153 Sp.Def: 85
Mild nature
Inner Focus
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Outrage
Safeguard

Ssargon is… well, he's a Dragon. Before a change recently, he was my Elec Dragon. I use Safeguard in combination with Outrage, and Dragon Dance in combination with Earthquake.

Salamence [m]
@ Charcoal
EVs: HP: 95 Attk: 61 Def: 83 Speed: 59 Sp.Atk: 115 Sp.Def: 97
Mild nature
Intimidate
Brick Break
Dragon Dance
Flamethrower
Hidden Power [grass]

DragonMan is my Fire Dragon. HP Grass is as mentioned twice above. Dragon Dance is used in combination with Brick Break.



I know I can't possibly win with this team [I haven't, either…], so any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm about ready to dump this element theme, too, so assistance there would be appreciated as well.

I've also found Blissey to be unbeatable with this team. Please help!
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Old December 13th, 2004 (11:57 AM).
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Slight tip - never use those 1.1 booster items, they never provide enough of a boost when something like a Petaya berry does much better.

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EV: 252 Speed, 252 Sp Att, 6 Sp Def
Nature: + Speed, - Att
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave/Wish
Substitute
HP Ice/Grass

I prefer HP Ice just for being able to hurt Dragons.

Charizard - only Aerial Ace gets a flinch chance from King's Rock, so I don't think it's worth using your item slot over. Lum Berry is my preferred choice of item.

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EV: 252 Speed, 252 Att, 6 Sp Def
Nature: + Att, - Sp Att/Def
Swords Dance
Aerial Ace
Rock Slide
Brick Break

Magneton - whoa, lot of mess to fix here:

[email protected]/Petaya Berry (Note: Magnet Pull)
EV: 252 Sp Att, 8 Speed, 125 Sp Def, 125 HP
Nature: + Sp Att, - Att
Metal Sound
Thunderbolt/Thunder
HP Fire/Water
Toxic/Rain Dance

Metal Sound makes Blissey run in fear, and Magneton's electric attacks can take down Skarmory (and he can't run due to Magnet Pull). Minor speed EV to be able to outrun most Skarmory too (but beware those HP Ground Skarm that sacrifice tanking to be able to KO Magneton).

Torkoal - not a fan of trying to boost both defences:

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EV: 212 HP, 40 Att, 117 Sp Att, 141 Def
Nature: + Sp Def, - Speed
Amnesia
Rock Slide
Fire Blast
Toxic/Explosion

When they throw in someone to poison Torkoal - take em down with Explosion. That goes for all Blissey too. Torkoal's defences are high enough not to need Iron Defence, so go with Amnesia.

Dragonite - Safeguard-Outrage is an interesting tactic, but you lack versatility by going along this route:

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EV: 252 Speed, 252 Att, 6 Def
Nature: + Att, - Sp Att
Substitute
Focus Punch
Aerial Ace
Flamethrower

Time for more anti-Skarmbliss.

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EV: 252 Att, 252 Speed, 6 Def
Nature: + Att, - Sp Att
Dragon Dance
Rock Slide
Brick Break/Earthquake
Aerial Ace

Ye olde standard physical Salamence.
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Edit:

Toothache beat me to it. Remember that Outrage/Safeguard was really only useful in GSC when there were no strong Dragon attacks. Dragon Breath was okay, but a bit weak.



Jolteon @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 6 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Standard.


Charizard @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SAtk
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower // pick your flavour

Standard.

Magneton @ Leftovers // not sure about the item
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 158 HP / 100 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunder Wave
- Metal Sound

Standard.


Torkoal @ Leftovers
Trait: White Smoke
EVs: 252 HP / 158 Def / 100 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Amnesia / Iron Defence // pick your flavour
- Toxic
- Rest
- Flamethrower

Amnesia up to make up for your awful SpDf, or beef up your PhDf with Iron Defence. Toxic is there to get Fire-Flash monsters.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Sub-punching, boltbeaming Dragonite. 0 Spd IVs to get the Sub for the punch.

Salamence @ Lum Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 253 Atk / 112 Spd / 145 SAtk
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower // pick your flavour
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake

Standard.


There's a big weakness to Rock attacks. You can't beat Blissey, because you haven't enough physical attacks. You ought to do better now that there are more. Some of your EVs were everywhere. I've listed them so that they're more concentrated. The two dragons should not be on the same team, because of the 4x weakness to Ice on both. There also isn't a (pseudo)hazer. So you may want Dragonite to have Haze or Roar, or just dump one of the dragons for a (pseudo)hazer.
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Old December 13th, 2004 (12:20 PM).
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Aerodactyl>your team =[

Anyway, get rid of Salami, Magneton, and Torkoal, and put in other monsters that help with their weaknesses...

Walrein and Lapras would be good additions, Swellow/Linoone also, and maybe even Hypno/Grumpig for Special Walls
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Old December 13th, 2004 (12:48 PM).
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Thanks for your help. I shall impliment these strategies and see how well they work.
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Old December 13th, 2004 (1:16 PM).
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Go with tooth and khold. They beat me to all recommendations they had. Note: Special and physical walls absorb hits, and generally dont do anything but inflict status ailments and stop your other mons from dieing.
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Old December 13th, 2004 (1:42 PM). Edited December 13th, 2004 by Mullet.
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Old December 13th, 2004 (1:51 PM).
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Right. I took a look at all of your suggestions, and this is what I came up with.

Charizard (M) @ Lum Berry ** BlackDragn
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Aerial Ace
- Brick Break
- Heat Wave
- Swords Dance

Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry ** PinZap
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 6 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Magneton @ Petaya Berry ** MagnetMan
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 158 HP / 100 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Metal Sound
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Wailord (M) @ Petaya Berry ** BlimpMan
Trait: Water Veil
EVs: 255 HP / 84 Spd / 171 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Water Spout

Dragonite (M) @ Salac Berry ** Ssargon
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Punch

Salamence (M) @ Lum Berry ** DragonMan
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Dragon Dance
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace


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Old December 13th, 2004 (5:48 PM).
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Right. I took a look at all of your suggestions, and this is what I came up with.

Charizard (M) @ Lum Berry ** BlackDragn
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Aerial Ace
- Brick Break
- Heat Wave
- Swords Dance
Since you want a special attack now, White Herb over Lum Berry and Overheat over Heat Wave, if you please.


Jolteon (M) @ Petaya Berry ** PinZap
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 6 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
Your sub will get broken before you can bp... o__o Quick attack in the baton pass slot maybe.

Magneton @ Petaya Berry ** MagnetMan
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 158 HP / 100 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Metal Sound
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
Dude, 4 or 8 speed evs, please. Take em from HP/SP Def.

Wailord (M) @ Petaya Berry ** BlimpMan
Trait: Water Veil
EVs: 255 HP / 84 Spd / 171 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Water Spout
Wailord is too slow to water spout properly. Hydro Pump or surf over it? Wailord isn't an attacker though. Milotic should be better.

Dragonite (M) @ Salac Berry ** Ssargon
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Punch
Good. No @ Salac Berry. No speed evs! Not much diff! @ Lefies to recover under your sub.

Salamence (M) @ Lum Berry ** DragonMan
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Dragon Dance
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace
You don't need 252 speed. 269 is enough to outrun jolteon/alakazam after 1 dance. Use that. Earthquake over brick break. Since Charizard is your skarm bliss counter, sort of, I guess this is ok.

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