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Old April 28th, 2011 (12:13 PM).
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Sinnoh is my 2nd favorite (Hooen is my favorite region) region. The only dislike 2 of the Gen IV pokemon (Dialga and Rhyperior), all the other are well designed. The new evolutions were certainly a welcome addition.
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Well, I don't hate Hoenn, but I didn't find it amusing or exciting. Despite a lot of ideas came from Hoenn, it was still this stuck-between old and new game for me. Sinnoh expanded on them and played it right (for me). And I didn't like the Pokemon that much, in fact I only remember liking Treecko's evolutionary line off the top of my head.

I liked Sinnoh because there was just so much to do with old and new Pokemon. You didn't have to change the bikes, the contests were better. I have to admit though, it took some getting used to the crazy additions in some of the evolutionary lines.
:D Thank you! You just perfectly summed up my thoughts on both Hoenn and Sinnoh.


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I greatly enjoyed Sinnoh, but a lot of complaints I've heard are "the Pokemon are terrible, I hate them all, there's no good designs" (like Mr. Mime and Jynx were amazing :P) or simply that it's not Kanto/Johto. I don't really understand :/.
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Ugly graphics, ugly heroes, too slow and I hated most of the Pokemon. They fixed a lot of this in Platinum though, by making the graphics better, giving the heroes new outfits that looked better, sped it up and expanded the Pokedex.
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well since most people think it was just a run off for ds pokemon games they think it sucks.......my question is why do people hate emerald....
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I didn't like it because there were a lot of towns but they were tiny. Also, the game felt to short.
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Well, I can see that some of the Pokemon designs weren't that great, the graphics were rather lackluster in some places, and the music, though it was better than Hoenn, wasn't exactly spectacular. But you know why I love Sinnoh? It was my very first region, that's why! :]
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1. Dawn. She is so ugly, no offense.
2. Team Galactic, the stupidest villainous in Pokemon history imo.
3. Storyline- Too slow
4. Too many ugly Pokes. :/
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I'm guessing it mostly has to do with new evos like Tangrowth, Lickitung, Mime Jr etc. Mr. Mime was good as it was, it didn't really need a baby form. And ones like Licky and Tangela were the same. They didn't need better stats or moves.
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Eh, I didn't "hate" Sinnoh. I wasn't Sinnoh's biggest fan, either. I think part of what I didn't like about the games was how they seemed so much easier than Gens I, II, and III. I felt as if they'd been dumbed down. But maybe that was just me. I, also, didn't care for the designs of some of the Pokemon. Yet, on the other hand, I love some of the Pokemon the region introduced. (Chimchar is a favorite, and the newest Eeveelutions gave me something I'd been wanting for YEARS; a grass and ice eeveelution.) Honestly, it wasn't the worst generation, but it wasn't the best, either. The few things I dislike:
*Barry. He is possibly the most annoying rival/friend in any of the games. This is even counting Cheren. (who is pretty annoying)
*Everything seemed... out of order. While exploring it for the first time, there was a lot that I'd missed because I didn't even know it was there. This resulted in me missing out on some pretty awesome Pokemon and being underlevelled. Honestly, I prefer going on one, straight path to the league. It makes it a lot easier.
*The storyline was hard to follow and all over the place.
*Like I said, it felt dumbed down for the kids.
*Some of the Pokemon just looked... thrown together as a last minute afterthought. (The balloon ones, for example.)

It did bring a lot of great new things to the Pokemon gaming experience. So, I don't exactly hate it. But it isn't a favorite, certainly...
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Prefacing this, I haven't actually ventured through Sinnoh yet, but I've spoiled it enough to the point where I feel I should be able to give some feedback about it. >_>

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1. Dawn. She is so ugly, no offense.
2. Team Galactic, the stupidest villainous in Pokemon history imo.
Dawn isn't ugly. ;_; Though I might agree with you on #2 regarding the Galactic Grunts - I heard there was something about a warning regarding a bed? XD

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to add up to what has been said, and this is purely based on my observation and alot of surfing through the net. I found out that people don't like the fact that the Sinnoh legendaries introduced in the 4th gen pokemon games somewhat made the pokemons of older generation weaklings or not on par with the legendaries of Sinnoh mainly Arceus and the creation Trio.

They didn't like the fact that those pokemons are of in a different level than the favorite pokemon of all time - Mewtwo. But I myself think that Mewtwo is still stronger than the creation trio though I don't think it can par with Arceus which is basically a God.
I don't really regard the Sinnoh Dragon trio as more "elevated" than the other legendary mascot trios - they're all of equivalent status in my eyes. It just so happened that Arceus was introduced in the same generation as the dimensional dragons, so I guess they're more associated with Arceus... I wish the "Dialga+Palkia=Arceus" thing wasn't true, though. >_> And honestly, once Generation 3 rolled around, people should have began to expect more iterations of Pokemon that have power comparable to Mewtwo.

Mewtwo's Base Stat Total (680) still equals the Base Stat Total of several mascot legendaries introduced since Generation 2 - barring Suicune, Groudon, Kyogre, and Kyuremu. Suicune is part of a "lesser" trio, Groudon and Kyogre were docked 10 points overall so Rayquaza could serve as their "mediator", and Kyuremu just has some stuff going on about him that Gray Version is likely to resolve (though if he is getting another Forme in Gray, I don't see why Kyuremu couldn't have 680 BST to begin with like Giratina did in DP).

Furthermore, I'm of the understanding that Sinnoh is disliked due to introduced so many darn legendaries (which didn't really bother me). Well, Unova seems to worsen this even more - we now have THREE legendary trios: One greater trio (the Tao Dragons) and two lesser trios (the Legendary Musketeers and the Legendary Kami). The Musketeer trio even manages to squeeze in an unofficial fourth member!

The main problem with Sinnoh's legendaries were the "offset"-ish nature of them. In comparison to the Hoenn counterparts:

Weather Trio = Dragon Trio
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Jirachi = Manaphy*, Phione, and Shaymin
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Sinnoh extras: Heatran, Regigigas, Arceus

*I don't know exactly why Sinnoh had to have two Mew-ish legendaries - Manaphy and Shaymin (Phione is just...crap and is therefore excluded from consideration). Since Platinum's introduction of Sky Forme seemingly makes Shaymin out as the "preferred" of the two, Manaphy could have easily been saved for another Pokemon generation.
-IMO, Regigigas enhances the Regi legends of Hoenn, though being introduced any later than Generation 4 would be strange.
-Arceus probably wouldn't work well as a mascot, and he had to be introduced in some Generation if he was going to be included in the Pokemon mythos. That just so happened to be Generation 4, in Sinnoh.
-Heatran, despite coming off as very Groudon-ish, manages to be unique and cool in his own right. Barring the gender thing, he probably would have worked well as a future generation mascot, though he'd likely force yet another water-themed legendary mascot to counterpart him. His insertion comes off as odd, but I'd rather that he be introduced extraneously in Generation 4 than being forced to become a mascot.



As people have mentioned, another drawback of Sinnoh is the number of Pokemon introduced that became evolutions or pre-evolutions of past-generation Pokemon. Several of these managed to look cool IMO (Rhyperior, Yanmega, Gliscor, Dusknoir, Honchkrow, Froslass), and some just seemed ugly and somewhat unnecessary (Rhyperior to an extent, Probopass, Lickilicky, Magnezone). And some of those seem unnecessary compared to Pokemon that really need evolutions (DUNSPARCE). I've grown accustomed to all of them (barring Probopass a bit), though - I wish Banette gained an evolution to counterpart Dusknoir, though. Unova rectified the problem with no cross-generational Pokemon, yet there is still outcry that certain Expies should have become cross-generational (namely, Luvdisc>Alomomola and Tauros>Bouffalant, the latter of which I now feel is unnecessary).

The drastic alteration of Generation 3 Secret Bases and the tarnishing of the Contests are the main qualms I have with DPPt as of now, and those removals have been propagated to the fifth Generation. I'm holding out hope that Gray and RS3DS fix these; otherwise, I'll have to hold out for future generations. Other than that, I really don't think Sinnoh will be that bad - I mean, the Physical/Special fix and the amazing graphics (do you see those lush back sprites compared to Generation 3?!) already seem to make it a great game in its own regard, and they seem like better logical progressions of their predecessors in comparison to the near-train wrecks of BW.
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D/P used 1st in my top three favorite pokemon games, until B&W. SS/HH didn't really get to me.

Anyways, I lurk around the forums, and I find that some of the reasons why they hate D/P or 4th gen, is because it lacks a good storyline, graphics are horrible (& sometime I ask myself, hows that possible), "too many legendaries", etc...

Eh, haters gonna hate..
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Well, compared to fenyx4, i have nothing really to say... But I think the battles were too slow, the game was too kid friendly, and a lacking storyline. I think nintendo needs to realize that the fans aren't getting any younger.
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Well, compared to fenyx4, i have nothing really to say... But I think the battles were too slow, the game was too kid friendly, and a lacking storyline. I think nintendo needs to realize that the fans aren't getting any younger.
Sorry I couldn't resistance myself, but you do realize that unlike Sony or Microsoft, Nintendo targets the younger group. Please correct if I'm wrong.
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I would be able to overlook most of their flaws if the Sinnoh games just weren't so obnoxiously slow. But slow is what they are, so I dislike them. For instance, what game wouldn't be ruined by battles consisting of a single OHKO taking about a minute, even with animations turned off?
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Try Platinum. The text was slow in all of the first 4 generations. It was only B/W which sped it up.

It's interesting to note that the text feels faster in the Japanese versions because there are fewer characters. Perhaps this is why they sped it up for B/W.
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1. Dawn. She is so ugly, no offense.
2. Team Galactic, the stupidest villainous in Pokemon history imo.
3. Storyline- Too slow
4. Too many ugly Pokes. :/
What? Dawn is my favourite!
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Personally, i like sinnoh !!

Kind of !

The only thing i dislike about Sinnoh is Mesprit, Uxie, and Azelf, they just simply suck !!!
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I LOVE SINNOH.
i am probably in the minority here but i love the snow! snowpoint city is so beautiful to me. winter makes me happy.
like every gen there are some... questionable pokemon, but sinnoh has some of my favourites like glaceon, mismagius, roserade and torterra.
last but certainly not least, sinnoh gave us the first ever female champion, which for me is a big deal. cynthia is amazing, my favourite character in the franchise. ♥
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I just hate that they seized the opportunity to add EVEN MORE BABY POKEMON.

The ugly evolutions to nostalgic pokemon are fine...it's the baby forms that get under my skin.
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I actually liked Diamond. It was quite the improvement over R/S/E.

Sinnoh rocks because it was the first region that gave us snow, even though it was read as "hail" in battles. >_> But snow... yay snow!

I don't understand the hate for this generation. I suppose it's because now the popular opinion has shifted towards the third generation being the best.

It's not that I was particularly fond of many of the Pokemon added. Many of those evolutions to first generation Pokemon just should have never happened. I was okay with Porygon Z, but the rest of them were... bad. Rhydon, Magmar, Electrabuzz you never deserved evolutions. At least not ones that were that bad. I'm not too fond of Magneton's evolution either, but it's better than the others at least.

I just remember really enjoying Diamond. I don't remember it being slow at all. Slow might actually be better because I like to take the time to run through a Pokemon game, it makes it more fun.
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There's obviously a problem when the only way people defend a gen is by pointing out flaws in others. While I never really played much of the games, I found them to be not that bad. The biggest problem I had with the games was the legendaries. While their stats are nothing special (save for Arceus), they apparently control all time and space. How am i supposed to believe a 10 year old can catch something that could tear apart the universe if it wanted to? then theres all the unnecessary legendaries they spammed in there, like the lake guardians and Heatran (which I didn't even know was a legendary until recently). Then there's Barry, who I hated moments after he was introduced, and the new evolutions/pre-evolutions. While some were nice, many were pointless. I also hated the SLOOOW pacing, and Team Galactic. The games had very many good things about them though, but this thread isn't about that.
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I hated the starters. It was hard to decide, seeing as they all seemed useless, probably why they're called starters... The rival was annoying with his monkey dance, and the fact that way too many people said he was impatient whenever he appeared. Team Galactic was just a joke, they used the same 3/4 Pokemon, except Cyrus of course. Cyrus was just weird in his own right. The overflow of legendaries could be acceptable, but the Lake Trio looked like Mew from the Renaissance, with their awkward faces. The games also brought a darker light, bringing Giratina and the very tedious Distortion World.

Rhyperior looked like a fat Rhydon, Electrivire looked like Dr. Octopus, and Magmortar was the same case with Rhyperior. Gliscor was actually pretty cool, making it look more like a vampire or something. Mt. Coronet was so boring to navigate, making way too many wrong turns and not being able to notice rock-climbing spots. Snowpoint city was just a trap, making random snow pits, along with hail. Not much surfing either, it seemed kinda like Kanto where you only surf to Cinnabar, like as you only surf to Canalave.
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Generation IV was a decent generation, but because I liked it doesn't mean I'm not aware of its shortcomings.

In Diamond and Pearl, I really didn't like the rival, Barry. He was so speedy, it was annoying... but they 'fixed' him a little in Platinum, where while he still couldn't stand still for a second, he was bearable; in particular he seemed like a much better character when he stated that he was the one who was planning on running into the grass and that Rowan shouldn't penalise you because of his mistakes.

The other thing that bothered me was the fact that a lot of the Pokemon from Sinnoh were evolutions of Pokemon from previous Generations, and with the lack of Pokemon of certain types (point and case, Fire-types), it kind of dulled down the experience for me, a little. While I don't mind evolutions of past Pokemon, primarily because I'm still holding out hope that they'll round off Eevee with a Normal-type and Ground-type evolution, it was the number of past Pokemon they decided to evolve that bothered me. It was almost as if they were trying to get all the evolutions that they wanted of past Pokemon so that they could be 100% original-ish with Generation V, looking back at it.

One thing that I've heard people mention before (not necessarily from here) is that there were too many Legendary Pokemon. I only tend to agree because most of the Legendary Pokemon end up being Event Only Pokemon, such as Shaymin, Darkrai and Manaphy, to name a few. I'm fine with Generation IV on that score, though; partly because it doesn't do the trick that Generation V does with one of its normal Pokemon. Could you imagine if you could only get Riolu if you had a Mew from the previous Generation in your party?

I'll have to admit, I was also more interested in the Generation III contests; Generation IV's had too much going on in them, and part way through, I kinda got fed up of them. Though I was happy that they left them all in one place, unlike in Ruby and Sapphire, though it did make it feel like an additional journey, in that respect...

But as for the rest of the game, I'm pretty happy with Generation IV. Like I said, not everything is going to be perfect and there'll always be something that someone doesn't like, but so long as you get an enjoyable experience out of it, that doesn't really matter, does it?
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What? Sinnoh is my second favorite region (next to Hoenn). I don't know why they hatin', but I be lovin' it.
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I don't hate the region, but some of the Pokémon designs were a bit... obvious, or unimaginative. The evolutions of pre-existing Pokémon were just the same Pokémon with a few spikes added on, for the most part.
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